The new cold war with China

DanielH

Robin
I keep hearing these sentiments. How would you envision this?

I don't see this happen at all. A cold war, okay. A proxy war, maybe. But a direct engagement between the US and China? That didn't even happen in the Cold War 1.0 because both the Soviets and the Americans knew that the risk for Mutual Assured Destruction was just too big
That is a good point. I think a crucial factor to keeping us out of a war with China, even in the event of a false flag attack, is the lack of patriotism Americans have for this country. I don't think Americans view us as a civic nationalist collective like they did in 2001. If 9/11 happened now, I think a lot of people would view it more as an attack on "those New York banker whites (odd how there were so few Jews present in the WTC at that time)" and less of an attack on "us."
 

Elipe

Robin
That is a good point. I think a crucial factor to keeping us out of a war with China, even in the event of a false flag attack, is the lack of patriotism Americans have for this country. I don't think Americans view us as a civic nationalist collective like they did in 2001. If 9/11 happened now, I think a lot of people would view it more as an attack on "those New York banker whites (odd how there were so few Jews present in the WTC at that time)" and less of an attack on "us."
To be fair, a lot of that is also generational. When 9/11 happened, I was just a child and my reaction to it was fully informed by my boomer parents' reaction to it. Civnattery is a very boomer phenomenon, and it will die with the boomers. Rightist millennials and zoomers would see it in exactly the same way they see Seattle, Portland, etc. As enemy cities getting what they fully deserve. The leftists, much like they are today, will just shrug and go back to smoking their pot because they don't live close enough to the city to do anything, and they can't be bothered to make the trip there, because that would just be inconvenient. Not to mention the leftists already hate America to begin with, and like you said, they would see it as an attack on whites, which they will cheer.
 

RoadKill503

Sparrow
Just watched ip man 4 which is trending on netflix. Huge kill whitey vibe. In the dub and english captions they actually say 'whitey' and 'the whites'. Almost every white character is massive bigot. also seems the black secondary characters are portrayed as happy idiots allied with the Chinese
Bummer. I always liked the Ip Man saga and figured it would be immune to the AIDS
 
I keep hearing these sentiments. How would you envision this?

I don't see this happen at all. A cold war, okay. A proxy war, maybe. But a direct engagement between the US and China? That didn't even happen in the Cold War 1.0 because both the Soviets and the Americans knew that the risk for Mutual Assured Destruction was just too big
But the thing is, the CCP is hellbent on conquering Taiwan. And so if they decide to use the military option sometime down the road, and the U.S. and her allies decide to attempt to stop them, an ugly shooting war will happen. And if the CCP has the patience to wait ten years or more, they will by then have a very formidable military to fight the U.S. in their own backyard. A hometeam advantage...

I truly believe both sides have the self control to have a war, without the use of strategic or even tactical nuclear weapons. Well, I will partially take that back, because I could see the CCP using a few tactical nukes if they start getting humiliated on the battlefield, so that America will sue for peace and back off. But I certainly do not see a world war 3 "end of civilization," "launch everything" scenario happening.
 
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The way China is buying loyalty from all the developing countries, I think we could see a "Scramble for Africa" scenario in the next 20 years. Except, this time it will be global. Basically a return to colonialism, indirectly if not directly. A Russo-Chinese alliance trying to control the world via energy dependence, trade, tech dependence, big infrastructure projects leading to debt traps and controlling political parties of the targeted countries.
 

An0dyne

Robin
The way China is buying loyalty from all the developing countries, I think we could see a "Scramble for Africa" scenario in the next 20 years. Except, this time it will be global. Basically a return to colonialism, indirectly if not directly. A Russo-Chinese alliance trying to control the world via energy dependence, trade, tech dependence, big infrastructure projects leading to debt traps and controlling political parties of the targeted countries.
China has already curried the favor of many African nations. Check how they vote with them in the UN. The "scramble" will be too late.
 
The Africans have very mixed feelings about China, and often feel they are closer to being exploited, than helped in any real way. But due to their own self-destructive behavior, they are desperate for the investment and financial aid, even if it is a devil's bargain. When nations can't make their loan payments, China will seize infrastructure such as harbor facilities, as repayment. They don't play around, and in fact, China hopes these nations cannot pay, so they can piece by piece, take things over.

The Chinese tend to have low opinions of the average African worker, to the extent that for some large construction projects, they actually bring in Chinese workers, rather than having to deal with the locals, who they see as lazy, difficult and unfocused! The Chinese personality/attitude towards life, tends to be very different from that of the Africans, and this causes tension to build.

Entrepreneurs from China are now flooding Africa, which is being seen as a threat to local African entrepreneurs, who often don't have the skills and resources, to properly compete.

China and Africa is certainly not a marriage made in heaven...
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Woodpecker
Gold Member
But the thing is, the CCP is hellbent on conquering Taiwan. And so if they decide to use the military option sometime down the road, and the U.S. and her allies decide to attempt to stop them, an ugly shooting war will happen. And if the CCP has the patience to wait ten years or more, they will by then have a very formidable military to fight the U.S. in their own backyard. A hometeam advantage...

I truly believe both sides have the self control to have a war, without the use of strategic or even tactical nuclear weapons. Well, I will partially take that back, because I could see the CCP using a few tactical nukes if they start getting humiliated on the battlefield, so that America will sue for peace and back off. But I certainly do not see a world war 3 "end of civilization," "launch everything" scenario happening.
The CCP wants to retake Taiwan in time for the PRC's centennial in 2049. Xi is 67 and wants it to happen in his lifetime/under his rule. Realistically that means by 2035 at the latest (not that he couldn't live past 82, but it's far from guaranteed and even if he does he won't necessarily be "all there"). The power struggle to watch over the next decade or so will be between Xi and his loyalists, who will want to accelerate the timeline to retake Taiwan, the party apparatchiks, who simply want it to happen by 2049 and will not want to move much earlier than that if they think doing so jeopardizes the goal entirely.
 

Elipe

Robin
The Africans have very mixed feelings about China, and often feel they are closer to being exploited, than helped in any real way. But due to their own self-destructive behavior, they are desperate for the investment and financial aid, even if it is a devil's bargain. When nations can't make their loan payments, China will seize infrastructure such as harbor facilities, as repayment. They don't play around, and in fact, China hopes these nations cannot pay, so they can piece by piece, take things over.

The Chinese tend to have low opinions of the average African worker, to the extent that for some large construction projects, they actually bring in Chinese workers, rather than having to deal with the locals, who they see as lazy, difficult and unfocused! The Chinese personality/attitude towards life, tends to be very different from that of the Africans, and this causes tension to build.

Entrepreneurs from China are now flooding Africa, which is being seen as a threat to local African entrepreneurs, who often don't have the skills and resources, to properly compete.

China and Africa is certainly not a marriage made in heaven...
Welcome to the "fuck whitey" bed you made, Africans. Now you get to sleep in it.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
The Africans have very mixed feelings about China, and often feel they are closer to being exploited, than helped in any real way. But due to their own self-destructive behavior, they are desperate for the investment and financial aid, even if it is a devil's bargain. When nations can't make their loan payments, China will seize infrastructure such as harbor facilities, as repayment. They don't play around, and in fact, China hopes these nations cannot pay, so they can piece by piece, take things over.

The Chinese tend to have low opinions of the average African worker, to the extent that for some large construction projects, they actually bring in Chinese workers, rather than having to deal with the locals, who they see as lazy, difficult and unfocused! The Chinese personality/attitude towards life, tends to be very different from that of the Africans, and this causes tension to build.

Entrepreneurs from China are now flooding Africa, which is being seen as a threat to local African entrepreneurs, who often don't have the skills and resources, to properly compete.

China and Africa is certainly not a marriage made in heaven...
Welcome to the "fuck whitey" bed you made, Africans. Now you get to sleep in it.
Africa is like the single mom from post-colonial times, and globalist pimps like the IMF, World Bank etc have been its sugar daddies for the past few decades, giving her its fix, but keeping her on a leash. There's also the creepy uncles Bill Gates and George Soros who want to prick her babies and tell them weird stories about how their grandparents hate them...

China is like the rich beta who covets her, and comes in to take over and marry single mom Africa. His development model is drastically different, he wants to build her a house, have her clothed and taken care of, but make her take care of the yard and make his dinners, and demand complete allegiance from her.

Africa's ex-lover, Europe, looks at this with a bit of nostalgia about the old days and romps down there as a strapping sunburned young stud, but he's more relieved than anything else at teh prospect of China coming in to fix her, because post-wall single mom Africa keeps barging in and sending her mischevious kids over for handouts and really long unsolicited stayovers... Maybe if China can fix her up, she won't bother her ex-lover Europe no more.
 
The other side of Chinese investment in Africa

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The scale of this is staggering... China is creating China #2 in Nigeria... But the nation is a basketcase, and must be essentially built up from scratch... America and Europe just did not have the gumption, tenacity, and focus to do it, and we will eventually pay a price for that, as this will help to fuel the CCP military... But some experts claim China has overspent in African foreign investment, and things may eventually blow up in their face...

“Chinese manufacturing investment is the best hope that Africa has to industrialise in this generation,” she says. “Chinese involvement in Africa is not just about state-driven efforts. A just as large, if not larger, component is these private enterprises, which are more job-intensive, which localise quicker and which have a much larger economic and social impact.”

"Nigeria, like countries across Africa, has a huge infrastructure deficit. It lacks reliable power, water and all-weather roads. New South Group has had to build almost everything from scratch, including natural gas-powered generators and yet-to-be paved roads connecting the zone to Lagos and beyond. “It is like managing a country,” Mr Wu says of the zone, which is designed to be an enclave of efficiency and stability in Nigeria’s notoriously unpredictable business environment. “We have our own customs, our own police, our own operations. The government of Nigeria provided the land. We used all our own money to build everything else.” After seven years in operation, the free trade zone has 50 registered companies, including two ceramic manufacturers producing tiles and plates, a steel-pipe plant and factories making everything from furniture to tomato sauce. There is a printing business, a plastic recycling company and another specialising in construction materials."

"For Mr Wu, the next 15 to 20 years will see a massive expansion to 10,000 companies, 200 times the number today. “We will have eight different industrial sectors,” he says. “We will have different zones for electronics, for tiles, construction. In the future, we will have a university for research and development.” “Nigeria has the conditions to be a factory of the world,” says Zhou Pingjian, China’s ambassador to Nigeria. “It should become the factory of the world.”

 
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What Filipinos think of China & The South China Sea Dispute | ASIAN BOSS

The average Filipino was frustrated with their president's seemingly defeatist approach to dealing with China, a year ago. But what could he do, with the U.S. bases there closed, and his own nation having a small and obsolete navy and air force? Since then, things have supposedly changed, due to plans to rebuild half of Subic Bay for the U.S. Navy, and even have a warship-building infrastructure there.

I do understand the desire to be neutral, but that won't work due to China's behavior. The Philippines is one of many nations caught between the cold war between the U.S. and China.

 

budoslavic

Peacock
Gold Member

American coaches at three NBA training academies in China told league officials their Chinese partners were physically abusing young players and failing to provide schooling, even though commissioner Adam Silver had said that education would be central to the program, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the complaints.

The NBA ran into myriad problems by opening one of the academies in Xinjiang, a police state in western China where more than a million Uighur Muslims are now held in barbed-wire camps. American coaches were frequently harassed and surveilled in Xinjiang, the sources said. One American coach was detained three times without cause; he and others were unable to obtain housing because of their status as foreigners.

A former league employee compared the atmosphere when he worked in Xinjiang to "World War II Germany."
The program, launched in 2016, is part of the NBA's strategy to develop local players in a basketball-obsessed market that has made NBA China a $5 billion enterprise. Most of the former employees spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared damaging their chances for future employment. NBA officials asked current and former employees not to speak with ESPN for this story. In an email to one former coach, a public relations official added: "Please don't mention that you have been advised by the NBA not to respond."

One American coach who worked for the NBA in China described the project as "a sweat camp for athletes."

At least two coaches left their positions in response to what they believed was mistreatment of young players.
Three sources who worked for the NBA in China told ESPN the physical abuse by Chinese coaches was much more prevalent than the incidents Tatum identified.

The NBA brought in elite coaches and athletic trainers with experience in the G League and Division I basketball to work at the academies. One former coach described watching a Chinese coach fire a ball into a young player's face at point-blank range and then "kick him in the gut."

"Imagine you have a kid who's 13, 14 years old, and you've got a grown coach who is 40 years old hitting your kid," the coach said. "We're part of that. The NBA is part of that."
The NBA employees who spoke with ESPN said many of the league's problems stemmed from the decision to embed the academies in government-run sports facilities. The facilities gave the NBA access to existing infrastructure and elite players, Tatum said. But the arrangement put NBA activities under the direction of Chinese officials who selected the players and helped define the training.

"We were basically working for the Chinese government," one former coach said.

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"Nigeria, like countries across Africa, has a huge infrastructure deficit. It lacks reliable power, water and all-weather roads. New South Group has had to build almost everything from scratch, including natural gas-powered generators and yet-to-be paved roads connecting the zone to Lagos and beyond. “It is like managing a country,” Mr Wu says of the zone, which is designed to be an enclave of efficiency and stability in Nigeria’s notoriously unpredictable business environment. “We have our own customs, our own police, our own operations. The government of Nigeria provided the land. We used all our own money to build everything else.” After seven years in operation, the free trade zone has 50 registered companies, including two ceramic manufacturers producing tiles and plates, a steel-pipe plant and factories making everything from furniture to tomato sauce. There is a printing business, a plastic recycling company and another specialising in construction materials."

This sounds like a repeat of what the East India company did between 1750s to 1857 in the Indian subcontinent. It started as a commercial firm with interest in just trading and then took advantage of the inefficiency and corruption of the local rulers to gradually take over their kingdoms. The weaker the king the more pressure they applied and got more concessions from him. All kinds of dirty politics to keep them divided. Lots of small wars to gradually take over most of the subcontinent and the remaining rulers were vassals. After the failed 1857 revolt by Indian kings , British government took over from the company commencing the start of British Raj.
 

Enigma

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Africa is like the single mom from post-colonial times, and globalist pimps like the IMF, World Bank etc have been its sugar daddies for the past few decades, giving her its fix, but keeping her on a leash. There's also the creepy uncles Bill Gates and George Soros who want to prick her babies and tell them weird stories about how their grandparents hate them...

China is like the rich beta who covets her, and comes in to take over and marry single mom Africa. His development model is drastically different, he wants to build her a house, have her clothed and taken care of, but make her take care of the yard and make his dinners, and demand complete allegiance from her.

Africa's ex-lover, Europe, looks at this with a bit of nostalgia about the old days and romps down there as a strapping sunburned young stud, but he's more relieved than anything else at teh prospect of China coming in to fix her, because post-wall single mom Africa keeps barging in and sending her mischevious kids over for handouts and really long unsolicited stayovers... Maybe if China can fix her up, she won't bother her ex-lover Europe no more.
A small percentage (of the population) of ethnic Chinese control every single economy in Southeast Asia... and yet all of those countries have been economic basket cases for decades.

The only states south of China that have actual functioning infrastructure and economies, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, want little to nothing to do with the mainland, despite having majority Han populations.

In reality, the Chinese "investment" model is to buy up property/businesses and take over the economy, then siphon this money back to China while using their economic power as political leverage. They've done this for hundreds of years.
 
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