The NFL is dying

Slim Shady

Ostrich
Gold Member
There is no comparison between Dylan and Springsteen. Dancing in the Dark is a good song to listen to while getting ready to go out. Rest is hack shit. ( And I went to HS in NJ so I know the cult of mediocre people that follow him there).
 

Towgunner

Woodpecker
Good news. More and more are turning off the TV. If you haven't done so already, my first bit of advice to anyone wanting to know what is happening to their country is to turn off the TV.


Fantastic. Though I can't say I'm all that surprised. The popularity of the NFL has been declining for a while now, which is incredible. In the not so distant past, I would have never thought the NFL would ever lose one fan. It seemed so permanent, so unmoving. To see not only a decline but a significant decline at that, really speaks to something amiss and not just with the NFL but with society at large.

Of course, there's no doubt this is due to the politicization of the league. Given the popularity of this sport I feel like one really has to try hard to make it less popular. And in many ways godell did and is doing this with a gusto. The nfl seems to be under the same influence and false promises that many other companies are too. They're not only ignoring their core clients but in many instance outright insulting them, as is the case with the nfl. I imagine they're listening to some aggrieved studies graduate telling them how much more money they'd make if only they open up to this specific group, in the case of football, that would be mostly women. The rank and file nfl fan is a typical American man. Women have, at best, tangential interest in the game.

Kneeling during the National Anthem did not go over very well with their core demographic, many of whom were veterans. But, full stop, why do I feel like this is some undiscovered insight that the NFL was never privy too before? If that wasn't bad enough, the advertisements are insufferable. Here you have a very captive audience of men, so, it follows to advertise to this base. Yet, what I see are jabs against men and the ever present injection of the strong/I'm just as good, I'm so much better than you female content that literally is not an advertisement but propaganda. The recent ads (maybe from a year or two ago) that came from a football association (pushing football in general) include all girl teams? What? No, no. We're in La-La land now. And why? Why is it so darn important to push this? And what good has it done? The league is declining as a result of all this. No amount of social engineering and care-bear stares will change the natural audience for football, as such, this is a monumental waste of time and resources. But, after all I've seen and endured from this league, I'm at the point where its like just let them ruin themselves. They lost me and millions of others and they have themselves to blame.

As mentioned in a previous post I was literally getting anxiety leading up to this game, because I knew it was going to be offensive. Ditto for the olympics, which from what I can gather is going to be worship ceremony for homosexuals.

Message to all for profit corporations, 1-2% of the population is less than 99-98% of the population, therefore, you're much better off cultivating your customers in the 98-99% cohort. Just a thought though.
 
I too was confused when companies started to turn on their customer base. Why would they throw money away, isn't that what business is about? Money? Why would you push an agenda that will obviously cost you millions if not more? I was of course thinking along business lines and completely ignored something else. There is an agenda, a satanic agenda and it will be pushed regardless of monetary loss. They do not care, their master calls for obedience. If it sounds upside down then guess what, it is. That is satanism, that is our world today.
 
Message to all for profit corporations, 1-2% of the population is less than 99-98% of the population, therefore, you're much better off cultivating your customers in the 98-99% cohort. Just a thought though.
When you are a monopoly you can start to rub it in people's faces. Think about Gillette - the CEO did not resign after that the (((institutional))) shareholders did revolt. I suspect gillette is back up where they were before but they also got some backroom deal benefits -maybe exclusive shelf space at supermarkets so you really don't have a choice.
The big banks do this, Amazon certainly does it, Google does, it Apple does it. They could also be participating in some long term monopolistic behavior that means some short term loses but eventually you will only have the choice to use their 'product'- higher education has already perfected this model.

It's great to see people leaving sportsball -but I know some advance degree high six figure smart guys still rooting for 'muh team'.

I too was confused when companies started to turn on their customer base. Why would they throw money away, isn't that what business is about? Money?
Roosh wrote about this some time ago forget the name of the article but it was about power, not money. Every major Hollywood studio walked away from hundreds of millions with the Passion - they do that all the time, publishers do it all the time, and corporations do it all the time.

I think it's because they want to mold the world their way. They want to limit what narrative choices you have so that you can only bank at a woke bank, use a woke phone, eat woke cereal and and watch woke 'entertainment'.
 
I posted about this in the NASCAR thread last year when they had the BLM car despite it being vastly unpopular with their fans.

This is all about finance. The NFL and NASCAR would die within a month if the banks cut them off. Like all businesses they are floating on low interest rates loans. The business model is to beat those loans. You leverage out at 3% but can make 8% off that loan, that is how you make money and afford expenses.

If the banks tell you to push these social messages, you have no choice. Even if it costs you revenue, as long as you can stay in business it is better than the alternative. And if you eventually do go bankrupt, at least you tried and survived a few more years.
 

homersheineken

Kingfisher
Good news. More and more are turning off the TV. If you haven't done so already, my first bit of advice to anyone wanting to know what is happening to their country is to turn off the TV.

One of the comments:
It was at only 50 million until 4am.
:D

I'd like to see the ratings for the last 15 years, going back to 2007. I want to see the declines and where the biggest declines occurred.
 

stugatz

Pelican
There is no comparison between Dylan and Springsteen. Dancing in the Dark is a good song to listen to while getting ready to go out. Rest is hack shit. ( And I went to HS in NJ so I know the cult of mediocre people that follow him there).
Listen to Nebraska if you want an outlier Springsteen album - you might like it. It's a collection of acoustic demos that weren't intended to become a full album, and the lyrics aren't nearly as annoyingly over the top as they are on Born to Run or E-Street Shuffle.

Out of all of the artists I like, though, he's one I never get defensive over. Frank Zappa, on the other hand...
 
If the banks tell you to push these social messages, you have no choice. Even if it costs you revenue, as long as you can stay in business it is better than the alternative. And if you eventually do go bankrupt, at least you tried and survived a few more years
The (((NFL owners))) don't need much pushing :) - especially since the game is way more 'rigged' than people think. All 'conferences' rely on some sort of 'agreements' in the old days that meant that college football coaches agreed to only play REAL STUDENTS - that slowly faded over time - but now they agree to a set of woke principles.

But yes, at the core of all of this usury - as long as we have a debt driven system the globalist bankers essentially can pull the plug on anything - they can do it to entire countries - imagine what they can do to companies.
 
I too was confused when companies started to turn on their customer base. Why would they throw money away, isn't that what business is about? Money? Why would you push an agenda that will obviously cost you millions if not more? I was of course thinking along business lines and completely ignored something else. There is an agenda, a satanic agenda and it will be pushed regardless of monetary loss. They do not care, their master calls for obedience. If it sounds upside down then guess what, it is. That is satanism, that is our world today.

Disney did the same after the backlash to Star Wars TLJ by fans

I was shocked that Disney Execs and Lucasfilm higher ups were going on twitter and verbally attacking their own customer base and "fans" who were disappointed with the poor SJW inspired product they paid to see in the theatres. That being said most people were turned off by the poor story element & sheer stupidity of the film rather than the SJW parts (which have always existed in Star Wars universe).

Only positive to come out of it is that Disney managed to inadvertently redpill alot of male gamer/comicbook types after calling their own fans "russian bots" & "lonely bored men".
 
What you guys have to remember about marketing is that it's not about appealing to 90% of the population. If you can get 40% (which is a HUGE chunk and probably way too big of a target), you are golden.

One easier way to get 40% is to piss off the other 60%. Simply being against the 60% will win you a lot of fans and support.

If they go for the super woke contingent who makes up the 1%, don't forget that another 20% or so is going to go along with it because it is trendy. Then when the 40% you are against start to make a stink, it mobilizes the support of the rest of the target you are going after.

Add into that, that many on our side of the internet are pushing minimalist lifestyles, and you realize that we are poor consumers to chase. Guys like Alex Jones do the best they can by also being "against" the side we hate, and selling some vitality pills and canned goods and so on (our fear porn type stuff).

This doesn't TOTALLY explain all the dumb woke ads, but it puts them into more perspective.

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Another example is David Hogg starting a pillow company.

It is being pitched as "to put MyPillow out of business". It's an excellent positioning, not because they actually WANT to or think they CAN. But because if they can get enough people to believe it (people who would NEVER have bought a MyPillow, by the way), they can make a shitload of pillow sales.

And Lindell should not be the least bit worried. Because as I said above, this is only going to appeal to people who would have never done business with him in the first place.

In fact, if he's smart (and he is shown he is very adept at marketing), he could basically run promos stating that his audience needs to buy more pillows to survive the onslaught from Hogg's leftie pillows. Which will further mobilize his side.

Ironically, they will both help each other make more money.

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Remember, most people don't buy a product. They buy the seller of the product. The product's features and benefits are ancillary.
 

Castelnau

Kingfisher

Well its good some people have some sense though that's still too many in my eyes.

Hopefully Brady will retire soon and the NFL will go in a deeper decline.


I too was confused when companies started to turn on their customer base. Why would they throw money away, isn't that what business is about? Money? Why would you push an agenda that will obviously cost you millions if not more? I was of course thinking along business lines and completely ignored something else. There is an agenda, a satanic agenda and it will be pushed regardless of monetary loss. They do not care, their master calls for obedience. If it sounds upside down then guess what, it is. That is satanism, that is our world today.

Roosh wrote a good article about this. As much as we like to think corporations think of nothing but profits they are actually willing to throw money away to push the satanic agenda. Ironically it'd be better if they were just greedy and thought nothing of money.
 
What you guys have to remember about marketing is that it's not about appealing to 90% of the population. If you can get 40% (which is a HUGE chunk and probably way too big of a target), you are golden.

One easier way to get 40% is to piss off the other 60%. Simply being against the 60% will win you a lot of fans and support.
I understand your point but in the case of NASCAR or the NFL it does not apply they were deliberately alienating their fan base(s). There was no 40% woke audience to appeal to. It's like the switch to 'holiday' from Christmas -30+ years ago when only a (((small))) % of the population had any problem with "Christmas". These are being done for other reasons.

With media like CNN vs. Fox your point applies though. But why is Fox shifting from its own market? Ulterior pressure.
 

Gimlet

Kingfisher
Message to all for profit corporations, 1-2% of the population is less than 99-98% of the population, therefore, you're much better off cultivating your customers in the 98-99% cohort. Just a thought though.
Commercials with homosexuals aren't trying to actually court homosexuals. They are courting dull heterosexuals who think that liking homosexuals makes you an interesting, good person. Because homosexuals are cool. This was best explained by The Last Psychiatrist 10 years ago. (The ad he is dissecting is Blackberry, video is gone but you don't need it.)


Only TLP would write this. Wish he'd come back:

"Cool= black and gay, even if you hate black and gay, which you do, which is why they're in the ads. You hate them because you're envious of their freedom, affluence, seeming lack of responsibility, their easy dialogue with sexuality or power, their casual wardrobes.

Hence also the gay guys. You might think gay decorators with bead bracelets are not ideal aspirational images for office workers, but that's why you're in sales and not marketing. What matters is the image: how awesome would it be if your sexual proclivities could be an overt 90% of your identity?"
 
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Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
I too was confused when companies started to turn on their customer base. Why would they throw money away, isn't that what business is about? Money? Why would you push an agenda that will obviously cost you millions if not more? I was of course thinking along business lines and completely ignored something else. There is an agenda, a satanic agenda and it will be pushed regardless of monetary loss. They do not care, their master calls for obedience. If it sounds upside down then guess what, it is. That is satanism, that is our world today.
Money is irrelevant if you are a corporation.
If you have a small business or work for hourly wages, then yes, your work is primarily about profiting.
A corporation is not about those things.

If you've ever worked for a corporation, you will notice they are FULL of wastefulness and needless rules. There are plenty of places to reform business practices that save corporations millions, and indeed in the 90s we started seeing this huge group of people called consultants (ie OfficeSpace) who did nothing but that. It always felt weird to me--why would someone who doesn't even work here, understand how to better run our business than we do? It's because corporations are about power and control, not money.

If the corporation is run poorly enough, it can just rely on the stock or debt markets to borrow additional money to run things and further their agenda (and, being a huge corporation, it is able to be very wasteful and still survive, because it has deals and contracts with people all over the country--just think of Ticketmaster, the absolute worst way possible to run a ticking company, but yet they survive because they have contracts with all these recording companies and venues).

If I wanted to run a more profitable ticking business than Ticketmaster, I could do it in a week (though obviously not on their scale). Ticket master is not about profitably selling tickets. It's about using entertainment as a tool to affect culture.

Why else would Gillette waste superbowl ad dollars catering towards the microscopic SheMale shaving market while pissing off its base of male customers? There are countless examples of Get Woke Go Broke, and yet corporations still choose Woke every time. Why? Because (at least in America) running a corporation has almost nothing to do with making money, the same way running the government has nothing to do about good governance or helping the citizens of the nation be safer, healthier, or happier. Literally nothing government does positively effects us, and little of what corporations do is about profitability. It's actually hard to have an unprofitable business.
 
I posted about this in the NASCAR thread last year when they had the BLM car despite it being vastly unpopular with their fans.

This is all about finance. The NFL and NASCAR would die within a month if the banks cut them off. Like all businesses they are floating on low interest rates loans. The business model is to beat those loans. You leverage out at 3% but can make 8% off that loan, that is how you make money and afford expenses.

If the banks tell you to push these social messages, you have no choice. Even if it costs you revenue, as long as you can stay in business it is better than the alternative. And if you eventually do go bankrupt, at least you tried and survived a few more years.

In an economic low interest rate (0.1% p.a.)/low inflation (1% p.a.) environment, the required rate of return for an investment to break even (inflation adjusted) is around 1.1% p.a - after all costs, except interest, are removed. This is an easily achievable benchmark - so long as the business is making some sort of profit.

A lot of businesses are dependent on continuing access to credit, and trade terms - supermarkets, airlines, construction, etc. 30/60/90 day trade terms allow businesses to access product, and sell it, without having to put money down. All it would take would be for a bank to deny one sizable loan for an enteprise to collapse. Most businessmen get to a stage where most of their time is negotiating with banks for loans - despite being profitable.
 

homersheineken

Kingfisher
Yep, Get Woke, Go Broke:


List of Super Bowl television ratings in the United States
Super
Bowl
DateNetworkAvg. viewers
(millions)
Total viewers
(millions)
Household rating
RAting | Share
18–49 rating
Rating | Share
Avg. cost of
30-second ad
XLIIIFebruary 1, 2009NBC98.73[13]151.60[36]42.0[13]64[13]36.7[36]72[36]$3,000,000[13]
XLIVFebruary 7, 2010CBS106.48[13]153.40[37]45.0[13]68[13]38.6[37]75[37]$2,800,000[13]
XLVFebruary 6, 2011Fox111.04[13]162.90[38]46.0[13]69[13]39.9[39]77[39]$2,948,649[13]
XLVIFebruary 5, 2012NBC111.35[13]159.20[40]47.0[13]71[13]40.5[41]78[41]$3,442,752[13]
XLVIIFebruary 3, 2013CBS108.69[13]164.10[40]46.4[13]69[13]39.7[42]77[42]$3,765,130[13]
XLVIIIFebruary 2, 2014Fox112.19[13]Unknown46.7[13]69[13]39.3[43]77[43]$4,084,864[13]
XLIXFebruary 1, 2015NBC114.44[13]161.30[44]47.5[13]71[13]39.1[45]79[45]$4,283,129[13]
50February 7, 2016CBS111.86[13]167.00[46]46.6[13]72[13]37.7[47]79[47]$4,800,000[13]
LIFebruary 5, 2017Fox111.32[13]172.00[48]45.3[13]70[13]37.1[49]79[49]$5,399,873[13]
LIIFebruary 4, 2018NBC103.47[13]Unknown43.1[13]68[13]33.4[50]78[50]$5,235,379[13]
LIIIFebruary 3, 2019CBS98.48[13]149.00[51]41.1[13]67[13]31.0[52]78[52]$5,199,916[13]
LIVFebruary 2, 2020Fox101.32[13]148.50[53]41.6[13]69[13]30.1[54]77[54]$5,400,000[13]
LVFebruary 7, 2021CBS91.63[55]

Oppressed mediocre millionaire started kneeling in 2017 season. Then 2018 SB was down 7% and has been miserable since.

23 million viewers less than their peak while the population grows and people aren't allowed to have activities (or face Governor persecution) so have to rely more on TV. They're off 20% from the high of just 5 years ago. You have to go back 15 years to see ratings this low!

What corporation purposely and continually alienates its Core Customers? This isn't about money.

They are either getting their money elsewhere (Soros, etc) or face losing even more money by not being woke. With the cheap money, are they so leveraged by ((banks)) that they must follow the woke rules or lose their cheap financing and the league collapses?

This is the same with other companies (NBA, Gillette, Vice, etc). They are practicing anti-capitalism to serve another master (ideology vs profits). I think we need to reference the bigger picture here and see how the Global Reset plan is in motion and who is pushing it. Eventually there will be 1 company/1 party/1 ideology. Profits aren't necessary since there will be a bailout. Politicians are bought to help slowly push policy towards this end goal. How many are taking money from China? How many are getting kickbacks from banks?

I know this a deviation from the thread of the NFL, but in a sense it's related and part of the whole picture. Although encouraging, simply boycotting isn't enough. The current system isn't tenable for 99% of the population and won't be solved by political means.

Though I do enjoy seeing the NFL continue to lose fans, money and viewership while pushing people away from that ideology to one more based on family and faith.
 

budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member

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The “Born to Run” icon, 71, was busted Nov. 14 at Gateway National Recreation Area in Sandy Hook, New Jersey, a spokesperson for the National Park Service said.

Springsteen was charged with DWI, reckless driving and consuming alcohol in a closed area, the spokesperson said.

“Springsteen was cooperative throughout the process,” the spokesperson added.

According to TMZ, which first reported the arrest, the allegedly juiced Bruce has a court date in the coming weeks and has no known prior busts for DWI.
 
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