The Official Roosh/RVF/ROK media mention thread

RexImperator

RexImperator

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RE: Roosh features (finally) in The Economist

Shit that's big time.

I think the Trump phenomenon is pushing this stuff into the mainstream, ironically by SJW journalists who want to make Trump look bad.
 
kbell

kbell

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RE: Roosh features (finally) in The Economist

keyboard don juan? Sounds like a new forum title after chubby chaser.
 
Days of Broken Arrows

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
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RE: Roosh features (finally) in The Economist

The subhead headline presents a perfect example of media bias. It reads "The rebalancing of the sexes has spawned 21st-century misogyny."

But that word never appears in the story itself, which is reasonably even-handed. Since headline writing is a separate job from article writing at almost all media outlets, this makes me think someone in a position of power deliberately wrote that headline to cast a negative light on subject.

The article, by the way, contains no byline -- which is also pretty odd.
 
Sumanguru

Sumanguru

Kingfisher
I read the Economist article. As DoBA said, the headline is terrible. But the article is one of the best, most even-handed articles about the Manosphere I've ever seen. (I wish they would have reached out to Roosh, though). Paul Elam sounded insightful and level-headed. They did a good job showing the complexity of the various factions of the Manosphere and their respective growth over the last few years.
 
T

Thought Criminal

Pigeon
The comments to The Economist article were very supportive. There were virtually no Feminist comments. I find that very surprising. The Economist says interest in the Manosphere is not yet mainstream, but is larger than a fringe movement. Very encouraging!
 
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Rigsby

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I've noticed a few 'Do you even lift?' comments at the Register tech paper. It gets like 4 million unique hits a month, if you don't know it. It's a bit left leaning, but is a very good tech paper none the less. More UK than US centric, but read all over the world.

It's not the sort of place you expect that little gem to crop up. Kudos to the infiltrator!

Chuck in a few 'ham planets' and 'shitlords', and pretty soon you're talking real political currency. (seen a few of them too)

I don't engage in 'debate' there, as it is too full of white knights and unhinged rad-fem types, but a little subversion goes a long way.

It's actually a really great little forum, but the whole red pill/blue pill question has not been raised there yet.

Slowly, slowly...
 
Suits

Suits

 
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damok said:
http://www.economist.com/news/unite...s-has-spawned-21st-century-misogyny-balls-all

'One keyboard Don Juan, Roosh V, has won fame (and ire) for publishing books like “Day Bang: How to Casually Pick up Girls During the Day” and “Bang Poland: How To Make Love With Polish Girls in Poland”.'

Hopefully get home a spike in sales!
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For those who don't want to have their email address sold to the highest bidder:

Balls to all that

The rebalancing of the sexes has spawned 21st-century misogyny


W. BRADFORD WILCOX, an academic at the University of Virginia who holds robust views on the benefits of marriage for adults and children, is used to sparking debates. But, after publishing a video about the economics of marriage, he was surprised to field criticism online from a character called “Turd Flinging Monkey”. In his own 15-minute broadcast, the chimp equated marriage to slavery. TFM, as he’s sometimes called for short, is a YouTube character created by a disciple of the Men Going Their Own Way movement. An online fraternity, MGTOW believe that marriage fails basic cost-benefit analysis. Why sacrifice sexual freedom for a wife who may later divorce you and take your children and assets? Better to eschew “gynocentric” conventions in favour of self-sovereignty, the logic goes.

“Save a male and stop a wedding™” is an unregistered trademark of MGTOW.com, one of many websites and blogs that form the manosphere, a diffuse and nebulous corner of the internet. The groups sometimes overlap and sometimes feud; their aims range from fighting for fathers’ rights in family courts, where they believe men get raw deals, to trading in tips about how to seduce women. One keyboard Don Juan, Roosh V, has won fame (and ire) for publishing books like “Day Bang: How to Casually Pick up Girls During the Day” and “Bang Poland: How To Make Love With Polish Girls in Poland”.

Dedicated members of the manosphere groups tend to see the world as divided between consumers of blue pills and red pills, a concept borrowed from the “Matrix” films. If Neo, the film’s hero, takes the blue pill, he will remain blissfully ignorant of the powerlessness of humans. Gulping down the red pill will mean reckoning with the truth and seeing “how deep the rabbit hole [went]”. In the manosphere, blue-pill thinkers are those who uncritically accept the idea that society discriminates against women. “Red Pillers”, by contrast, recognise that it is men who are worse-off. As proof, they point to false rape accusations, disparities in the length of prison sentences—63% longer for men, on average—and gaps in college enrolment, where women outnumber men by 12%.

Such grievances led Paul Elam, a 50-something Texan truck driver, to found AVoiceForMen.com in 2009. The site is among the most popular in the manosphere, though Mr Elam objects to this categorisation. “We consistently clash with other groups—like pick-up artists—considered part of the manosphere,” he explains.

Mr Elam had his red-pill epiphany after reading “The Myth of Male Power” by Warren Farrell. At the time he was working as a substance-abuse counsellor in Houston, Texas. He noticed his colleagues asked every woman who came into the centre whether she had suffered harm at the hands of a significant other, and every man whether he had perpetrated such harm. The questions were never posed the other way round. When Mr Elam inquired why, he says his male and female colleagues snapped at him. “The idea of men taking care of themselves frightens people. People have always relied on men to create safe societies,” Mr Elam says. “When they say ‘What about me?’ that creates fear. The impulse is to think ‘Well then, who’s going to take care of us?’”

Interest in such ideas is not robust enough to make them mainstream, but it is too widespread for the manosphere to be considered just a fringe. The popular Red-Pill group on Reddit, a platform for online discussion groups, has grown from 19 followers in 2012 to more than 155,000 today. The “Men’s Rights” Reddit group has also seen its subscriber base double to over 100,000 in the same period.

Observers of the manosphere disagree over exactly what fuels it. Barbara Risman, the head of the sociology department at the University of Illinois at Chicago, attributes its rise to a fear that as women become more liberated, men are struggling with feeling dispensable. “Previous men’s movements dealt with an expansion of the idea of what men could be. This is different. This is about men feeling as though they’ve lost dominance.”

For his part, Mr Wilcox, the simian provoker and professor, thinks the movement is related to the decline of the traditional family unit. The percentage of Americans over 18 who are married has dropped precipitously in the past half century from 72% in 1960 to 50% in 2014. “Family breakdown can be a breeding ground for misogyny,” he says. Mr Elam retorts that Mr Wilcox’s views are sexist towards men. “You would never tell a woman to ‘woman up’ and get married if she didn’t want to. But that’s what he’s telling men to do.”
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usnar

 
Banned
it seems there is a new mention here, in an article by
Jake Kivanç

titled: "Nero, Nazis, and the New Far Right: The Phenomena of the Professional Troll"

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/nero...right-the-phenomena-of-the-professional-troll

quotes:

"Roosh V is also a character who, despite being accused of advocating for some pretty heinous stuff (particularly that rape should be legalized), defends himself with the pretense that he's joking. The question that many are left wondering, however, is whether these accounts are the real thing, or if they're just professional trolls turning a profit off of idiots."
 
Horus

Horus

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Brief mention of the meetup drama at 1:06:00 regrading Free Speech Isn't Free in a conversation with Vox Day and Stefan Molyneux.
 
Mercenary

Mercenary

Hummingbird
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Roosh mentioned a SECOND time in "The Economist".

However, this time I think it's only on the official Economist website, not the actual printed magazine.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2016/07/economist-explains-1

The Economist explains:

What is the manosphere?

Jul 5th 2016,

In February, Daryush Valizadeh, a self-proclaimed seduction guru better known as Roosh V, made international headlines when he planned men-only gatherings across dozens of cities. He had won fame (and venom) for penning pick-up guides like “Bang Ukraine: How to Make Love to Ukrainian women in Ukraine” and “Don’t Bang Denmark: How to Make Love to Danish women in Denmark (if you must)”. Most controversially, he argued that legalising rape on private property would help control it—a view he later insisted was satirical. Ultimately, he cancelled the in-person powwows, citing security concerns. (A band of female boxers had promised to visit the Toronto meeting.) Roosh V’s webpage, Return of Kings, is among the most popular of something called the manosphere. What exactly is meant by this term?

The manosphere is a loose agglomeration of blogs, websites, and forums dedicated to men’s issues. Not a concrete umbrella organisation so much as a concept, the manosphere contains groups whose ideologies sometimes coincide and clash. Father’s-rights activists argue that men are discriminated against in family court. The Men Going Their Own Way movement believes that marriage is a bad deal for men: why give up your sexual freedom when your wife will probably divorce you, taking your children and assets with her? AVoiceForMen.com seeks to reveal to people that the world is gynocentric—it is men, not women, who have it toughest.

Many of these groups see the world as divided between Red-Pill thinking and Blue-Pill thinking. In “The Matrix”, a sci-fi film, if Neo takes the blue pill, he will wake up in his bed, blissfully ignorant of the powerlessness of humanity. If he takes the red pill, he will stay in “Wonderland” and discover “how deep the rabbit hole goes.” In the manosphere, “Blue Pillers” are those who uncritically accept that women are discriminated against. “Red Pillers” know it’s actually the other way around.

To support the Red-Pill philosophy, its adherents often cite gender gaps in prison sentencing—America’s male criminals do 63% more time than female felons on average—and enrolment in college, where women out-number men. Some manosphere groups also rail against domestic-violence services, which often focus on women, and rape laws, which they believe are unfair to defendants. Many of these groups have tens of thousands of members. Some observers view the rise of the manosphere as a backlash against modern equality. As the liberation of women increases, the number of people inhabiting this corner of the internet may yet swell further.
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Roosh

Roosh

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I mildly confronted Laurie Penny at Milo's party on Tuesday. She responded politely so it never escalated into heated words. She wrote an article about her experience:

Milo swoops away to hold court. I hear a throat clear right in front of me.

And there is Daryush Valizadeh, also known as Roosh V, self-styled leader in the “neo-masculinity” movement, author of a suspicious stack of sex travel guides and headline-hunting nano-celebrity in the world of ritualised internet misogyny. Roosh hates feminists for a living. He asks me what I’m doing here. I ask him the same question.

The interaction that follows is the most surreal episode in a deeply surreal evening. Roosh is tall and well-built and actually rather good-looking for, you know, a monster. I have opportunity to observe this because he puts himself right up in my personal space, blocking my view of the room with his T-shirt, and proceeds, messily and at length, to tell me what my problem is.

Number one: my haircut, and he’s telling me this as a man, makes my face look round. This is absolutely true. Number two: I seek to destroy the nuclear family, and disturb traditional relationships between men and women. This is also true, although I remind him that the nuclear family as it is currently conceived is actually a fairly recent social format. He insists that it’s thousands of years old, and asks me if I truly believe that it’s right for gay men to be able to adopt children. I tell him that I do. He appears as flummoxed by this as I do by his presence at what is supposed to be a party to celebrate Gay republicans. He’s here for the same reason I am: Milo invited him.

What surprises me about Roosh is that he seems to be a true believer. Unlike Milo, he appears to be—at least to some extent—convinced of the truth of what he’s saying. He is bitter and vindictive, convinced of his own victimhood as a self-made blogger who was never given his due by the mainstream media. He tells me that the reason I have a column is that I’m a useful idiot and all my readers have low IQs. I ask him if he’s negging me.
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https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/im-with-the-banned-8d1b6e0b2932

At the same party was a mangina from Vox who was intimidated by my appearance:

When I was standing in a circle with a group of other journalists, I noticed an angry-looking man with a giant beard walking by. That’s Daryush Valizadeh, known better as Roosh — one of the internet’s most infamous “men’s rights” writers and activists.

Roosh got famous writing a series of “travel books” that teach men how to sleep their way through various countries — e.g., Bang Sweden, Bang Brazil, Bang Ukraine, Don’t Bang Denmark (he had a bad time with the Danes). The “advice” in Roosh’s books can sound disturbingly like bragging about getting away with date rape.
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http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/122380...le:fixed&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
 
Roosh

Roosh

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spokepoker said:
What was that like for you?
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I was expecting her to have a nastier attitude but she was way too nice to me, so I kept it civil and shared my honest thoughts about her work and appearance.
 
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