The Orthodox Church

The only reason I am non denominational and not orthodox is because they pray to and worship Marry. This breaks the first of the 10 commandments which is do not have any other Gods before me. It is really astonishing to see that the orthodox church is still around. God bless you all.
 

DanielH

Pelican
The only reason I am non denominational and not orthodox is because they pray to and worship Marry.
Hello, we don't worship her. We ask her to pray for us, just as you would ask a friend to pray for you in hardship, because the dead are only dead in body, not in spirit “For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live unto him” Luke 20:38. We sometimes use pictures of the saints, “icons” to venerate them which would be comparable to saluting the flag or an officer. This was the practice universally until the Protestant Reformation.

Edit: I personally like the icons and saints in large part because they give me people to look up to, models of how a Christian should live. Really important bow because there are so few role models. The lives of the saints are like the Bible in practice.
 

Novice

Chicken
What is the Orthodox position on why we don't celebrate jewish holidays like purim? Talmudic judaism is a totally false religion I know but I got asked 'why not celebrate? Isn't it a good thing the jews weren't killed by haman? Christ might not have been born otherwise.'

I didn't know how to answer. I'd like a good response so I don't look foolish next time.
 

Hermetic Seal

Kingfisher
Gold Member
The Church is Israel and inheritor of the promises of God to Israel; the fullness of his revelation to mankind. The Old Testament practices Orthodoxy has not maintained, such as laws of ritual purity and those feast days, were celebrated under the Old Covenant that was fulfilled and superceded by Christ at His resurrection.

Some aspects (like liturgical worship) were maintained from pre-Christ Judaism, but because God intended His Church to be a witness to all people, not just Jews, these Jew-specific holidays and commemorations are deprecated because they would be more about celebrating an incomplete revelation, rather than the "full picture" that we have in Christ. It would be like eating raw wheat instead of bread.

At least, that's my attempt at an explanation.
 

tractor

Woodpecker
The only reason I am non denominational and not orthodox is because they pray to and worship Marry. This breaks the first of the 10 commandments which is do not have any other Gods before me. It is really astonishing to see that the orthodox church is still around. God bless you all.

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We don’t worship Mary as a matter of dogma and faith, but I understand why Protestants think we do. A few of our prayers definitely blur the line, which the priests I’ve spoken to about it have described as “poetic excess.”

Even “more honorable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim” took me a long time to understand and be OK with, so I don’t fault Protestants for their confusion. It just takes some deep conversation with people who understand why we say that to demonstrate that it is neither worship nor putting Mary before God.

But again, there are certain prayers, in certain services, that do appear to worship Mary the way they are written and/or translated into English. I’ve asked multiple priests whether I have to say those prayers (such as the one that refers to her as “our Savior” with a capital “S”), because I’m not comfortable with that, and I’ve been told consistently that I neither have to say them nor to believe in the sentiment they’re expressing.

The important point is that as a matter of faith and dogma, the Orthodox Church does not worship anyone but God. Mary is venerated more highly than the other Saints, however, and when you get deep enough into our theology you could maybe make the argument that even worship of Saints is worship of God since they have become one with God via theosis. But there’s a line for me that I’m told is perfectly within the boundaries of Orthodoxy.
 

Aboulia

Woodpecker
We don’t worship Mary as a matter of dogma and faith, but I understand why Protestants think we do. A few of our prayers definitely blur the line, which the priests I’ve spoken to about it have described as “poetic excess.”

Even “more honorable than the cherubim and more glorious beyond compare than the seraphim” took me a long time to understand and be OK with, so I don’t fault Protestants for their confusion. It just takes some deep conversation with people who understand why we say that to demonstrate that it is neither worship nor putting Mary before God.

But again, there are certain prayers, in certain services, that do appear to worship Mary the way they are written and/or translated into English. I’ve asked multiple priests whether I have to say those prayers (such as the one that refers to her as “our Savior” with a capital “S”), because I’m not comfortable with that, and I’ve been told consistently that I neither have to say them nor to believe in the sentiment they’re expressing.

The important point is that as a matter of faith and dogma, the Orthodox Church does not worship anyone but God. Mary is venerated more highly than the other Saints, however, and when you get deep enough into our theology you could maybe make the argument that even worship of Saints is worship of God since they have become one with God via theosis. But there’s a line for me that I’m told is perfectly within the boundaries of Orthodoxy.


Being well content out of fear to be silent, would be easier since silence hath no danger
O Virgin it is hard to compose hymns with love, framed in harmony but we pray thee O Mother
Do thou grant us strength, according to our volition.

The above is one of my favourite verses in the Nativity service. The poetic license in Orthodoxy is one of the things that makes it true, because it doesn't aggressively dogmatically define what is to believed, it keeps that space to a minimal level, and allows as much room as possible for people to breathe, Perhaps you can draw back to appreciate it, from how I understand it, the Theotokos, is our Saviour, in the same sense as she is the Mother of God. The creation obviously didn't create the creator, but hosted and provided a body for that divinity to come into the world.

I don't want to say more, it's better to keep silence.
 

Nikos225

Chicken
I am a life-long Greek Orthodox Christian. I admit I often have to turn a blind eye to the scandals and failings of many in the Church hierarchy, particularly in the North American Diocese where financial scandals and intrigue seem to be the rule rather than the exception. Many bishops seem to 'love the world' a little too much. Nevertheless I have a parish priest that I've known for decades and seems to be above the fray. Yesterday I stumbled across this photo from a diocese publication. It is only from a few years ago. Those with the eyes to see will see my concern right away. What is the subject of this photo? Anyone with an elementary understanding of composition will understand what I am saying. Is the GOC in the hands of freemasonry?
 

jarlo

Woodpecker
I am a life-long Greek Orthodox Christian. I admit I often have to turn a blind eye to the scandals and failings of many in the Church hierarchy, particularly in the North American Diocese where financial scandals and intrigue seem to be the rule rather than the exception. Many bishops seem to 'love the world' a little too much. Nevertheless I have a parish priest that I've known for decades and seems to be above the fray. Yesterday I stumbled across this photo from a diocese publication. It is only from a few years ago. Those with the eyes to see will see my concern right away. What is the subject of this photo? Anyone with an elementary understanding of composition will understand what I am saying. Is the GOC in the hands of freemasonry?
I might be missing something - what are you observing in this picture that indicates support of freemasonry?
 

Nikos225

Chicken
Checkerboard pattern. You will find it in Freemason buildings.
Yes and the way it is so prominently centered gives me pause. One of the bishops/metropolitans in the photo visited my church when I was an acolyte, and I've spoken to and met him several times. He was recently suspended from his service for "canonical violations." I don't take pleasure in bringing up the Freemason angle but I was hoping that there are folks here that can either support or disprove the possibility. Disprove is preferred!
 

DanielH

Pelican
Yes and the way it is so prominently centered gives me pause. One of the bishops/metropolitans in the photo visited my church when I was an acolyte, and I've spoken to and met him several times. He was recently suspended from his service for "canonical violations." I don't take pleasure in bringing up the Freemason angle but I was hoping that there are folks here that can either support or disprove the possibility. Disprove is preferred!
Yeah now that you mention it that is a really bizarre photo... Not how anyone would choose to photograph a group, unless the room is the point of the photo. Pretty sure there's well documented past freemason ties to the EP. I know Metropolitan Evangelos (far right in photo) was recently transferred for disobeying Archbishop Elpidophoros (Metropolitan Evangelos refused to accept multiple spoon communion).
 

NickK

Woodpecker
I can't understand how someone like Meletius IV or Athenagoras could explain to themselves being simeoultaneously freemasons and Patriarchs serving the Liturgy.

These types are possibly freemasons and Orthodox Christians and fervent nationalists at the same time. How they explain this in their minds is a mystery to me. Perhaps they have placed their ethnic identity above Christ, but I don't pretend to have a full explanation for this strange phenomenon.
 

Todoist

Chicken
Yes and the way it is so prominently centered gives me pause. One of the bishops/metropolitans in the photo visited my church when I was an acolyte, and I've spoken to and met him several times. He was recently suspended from his service for "canonical violations." I don't take pleasure in bringing up the Freemason angle but I was hoping that there are folks here that can either support or disprove the possibility. Disprove is preferred!

Lord Jesus Christ, in your love and mercy, pour Thy Precious Blood over me so that no demon or disembodied spirit may retaliate against me. Mary, surround me with thy mantle, blocking any retaliating spirits from having any authority over me. St Michael, surround me with thy shield, so that no evil spirit may take revenge on me. Queen of Heaven and St Michael, send down the legions of angels under your command to fight off any spirits that would seek to harm me. All you Saint of Heaven, impede any retaliating spirit from influencing me. Lord, Thou art the Just Judge, the avenger of the wicked, the Advocate of the Just, we beg in Thy Mercy, that all we ask of Mary, the angels and the Saints of Heaven be also granted to all our loved ones, those who prayer for us and their loved ones, that for Thy Glory's sake, we may enjoy Thy perfect protection. Amen.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, when you hear me call, please light up our minds. Make all things clear to us. Bring to our mind the unknown and the forgotten. Give us the words we need, for we ask not in vain.


I confess that Jesus Christ died for our sins, has risen, and has come in the flesh.

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Yes, I've more than done the research and have also had inspiration via the Holy Spirit after praying the Chaplet of the Holy Face since last September, which was given by Jesus against Communism, two years before Karl Marx wrote 'Das Kapital'.

Understand that we are in a disinformation war between Satanists (Reform Jews) and Luciferians (Chabbad Jews). Their proxy warriors are Minorities / Liberals and Conservative / Nationalists. Neither side is spiritually awake, and there's a false narrative being sold of a great spiritual awakening taking place. Chabbad are Agents of Chaos and managed to get Trump into the White House, but they also fund their opposition via a Russian Socialist process known as Hypernormalization: where the population will be so confused that they won't be able to understand the Objective Truth of any given incident. QAnon, Covid, Trump's Election Win and Loss and 4D Chess are all examples of how Hypernormalization works. Other examples would be BLM and Antifa both being given a free pass by Trump - remember all those neat piles of bricks outside Chabbad temples during the BLM riots? Note 'Big Tech' experiencing no pushback from Trump for banning Conservatives. Any time Trump always should have, but, oddly, didn't... that was hypernormalization. (Note that these groups are now both confused to be now getting pushed back against or ignored by Biden).

Since all public forums are full of troll farms for one side, the other, or both - hey, whatever happened to all those Doctors in the Know on here who were instilling massive fear about the initial arrival of Covid? - I'd rather do this privately. Since aligning with either side in this battle - willingly or unwillingly - will darken your intellect, I've learnt it's impossible to talk about this with someone who isn't seeking objective truth, which means being willing to reconsider everything you think you've been programmed with. So, I'll test your spiritual waters.

Yes, the Greek Orthodox are Judeo-Masons. More importantly, so is the Russian Orthodox Church. Russia is incredibly important to understand the Chaos of 2015 onwards, and the massive polarization happening throughout society. Chabbad funds all the online propaganda influencers to push you towards Orthodoxy, which they control, and away from the Catholic Church, which they believe must be destroyed to restore society to its pagan esoteric roots. What Orthodoxy will be is a False Spiritual Face State Control - Neo-Communism, sometimes called 'Civic Nationalism.'

The key figure behind this is a Russian man called Alexsander Dugin - a key figure in Putin's geopolitical theory - whose concept of the New Eurasian / Century project - the Union of Russia, China and Muslim nations like Iran and, thanks to Trump, the UAE - sometimes called 'The Belt and Road Initiative' - uses for its Logo Alistair Crowley's Symbol of Chaos Magick. Remember Kek? It was deliberately-programmed Luciferianism, based on the Kaballah. Dugin also praises the Kaballah as one of mankind's greatest achievements. You can spot a Duganist very easily, because they don't refer to Jesus, but to Dugan's favourite Pagan Term 'Logos', which diminishes Jesus . Ask yourself, where did Jordan Peterson travel to to go into Detox? Why does he say the Orthodox Christians, Jews and Muslims love his work? Do you want to see pictures of E. Michael Jones at a New Eurasian Project conference sitting a few seats away from Dugin, whilst still publicly claiming not to know him or being familiar with his work? Did you know Richard Spencer's wife translated Dugin into English? Why has Jack Pobisiac posted the Chaos Symbol on his twitter?

It gets even more interesting. Did you know, despite the Catholic persecution in China, there's a Chabbad House in Wuhan, China? Do you remember Purple Anon claiming Trump and Kushner would release a virus in the future in Jan 2019? Do you remember Spontaneous Worldwide Nationalism in 2016, where every conservative influencer had links to Israel? Do you want to see Dugin and Alex Jones set the stage for 'Q', who arrived a few months later?

https://angrywhitemen.org/2017/08/1...utin-for-standing-against-satanic-globalists/

Did you see Chabbad-financed Michael Vorris interview Chabbad-financed Milo Yiannopolos about his conversion from homosexuality as reported by Chabbad-Financed Lifesite News the other day? Note how they all push against Pope Francis.

If you can accept everything you've experienced in the last six years was a Satanic Lie, and your Salvation lies in Communion with Rome, hit me up privately, and I'll go into it further.
 
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