The Owen Benjamin Thread

I am not even going to listen to Owen's ramblings about the Trinity, the amount of cringe on his part I was able to tolerate has been exceeded long time ago. And it's coming from a guy that used to pay him $10 a month!
I still like him, he's a net positive overall, I would say. His streams prior to the Nick Fuentes stupid debacle were often brilliant. He can be funny, captivating and I appreciated his often uneducated but somewhat intuitively accurate takes on certain things. But his psychotic nature and unhealed mental wounds would always take over. It's been a feud after a feud where the offender would do as little as not agree with him 100% on everything to become a mortal enemy. It's just too tiresome.
It also felt weird as even though he might have been the one to introduce me to EMJ and definitely had him on his show multiple times, he would always reject organised religions so vehemently. It started to bother me more the more I would embrace Catholicism and Christianity in general.
I don't consider him a shill nor I think his lifestyle is a facade. I think Owen has a good heart and he means well but until he truly accepts Jesus Christ as his Saviour I won't be paying much attention to him.
 

bucky

Pelican
That clip of Owen talking about the Trinity is blasphemous on a level that even Satanists, Talmudic Jews, etc. would be reluctant to talk about publicly.

It's one thing to deny the Trinity, like Vox. It's another thing entirely to claim that the Trinity is a homosexual relationship between God and the Holy Spirit.

People like to talk about conservatism's inability to conserve anything; but if "Christians" can't even defend the most basic tenets of their faith against that kind of disgusting slander, they're no better.

As Hermetic Seal pointed out, Christians in the past died defending the Trinity. For hundreds of years. St. Maximos had his hand cut off and tongue cut out fighting against much lesser heresies.

Secondly, Owen's comments are just dumb. The majority of Christians, including Orthodox and most Protestants, believe in the Trinity. And always have. Not just Catholics.

And his implication that God, the Creator of the entire universe, couldn't beget His Divine Son without penis-in-vagina sex is not only incredibly low IQ, it's clearly the product of a warped mind.

One of the reasons that I stopped listening to a lot of these "alternative" figures is that they will spend all day autistically researching and rambling about history, economics, the moon landing, gammas, Q, the JQ, this or that, but are completely unwilling to spend any time learning about Church history or doctrines. And then they'll attack people who actually care about these things.

Not everyone is called to become some kind of lay theologian, but then just shut up about it. That's why those "oppressive" and "narrow-minded" dogmas are there: so you don't have to figure everything out by yourself. You just have to bring your family to church, follow its teachings, and bring any questions you have to your priest.

But no, they clearly still want to talk about these things, but just based on their own prideful, ignorant musings that they came up with in their backyard after watching a Youtube video.

There are plenty of people Owen could've talked to if he was having trouble understanding the Trinity. But he won't. Because he doesn't actually want to understand it. Like most heretics, he wants to make up his own religion, based on whatever he personally likes or dislikes at the moment.

Like atheists, these people don't want any real, objective standards that they have to follow.

I have sympathy for Owen to the extent that his hangups are the result of his upbringing and hope that he eventually repents and finds relief from his afflictions, but I'm certainly not going to listen to his anti-Christian nonsense for hours just because he sings funny songs and makes fun of Jews.

I'll close this post with a painting of St. Nicholas punching Arius in the face at the Council of Nicea.

You make an important point. I'll admit that I'm one of those fence sitters as far as choosing a church and part of that is having my doubts about the Nicean concept of the Trinity. Regardless, to say the things that Owen said about it that you mention above...which I don't even want to type out because it turns my stomach...why would you do that? I've always argued that all denominations I've encountered have very good people who are clearly sincere followers of Christ. How and why they fundamentally disagree on very important, black-and-white questions like faith vs. works or Pope or no Pope, or Trinity or no Trinity if you include the Mormons and JWs, I can't explain beyond Paul's observation that in this world we see everything through a glass, darkly.

Hopefully he repents as someone said above. It's particularly painful for me to watch because in the past I've actually gotten good advice from listening to Owen that improved my life in very concrete ways. Falling like this can happen to anyone though, like the scriptures show with the case of David.
 
Wow I thought it was bad enough when the pentecostals says stuff like Jesus prayed to himself on the cross, but hearing that come out of Owen's mouth seriously has me wondering how people still take him seriously as a so called Christian figure.
 

westernman

Sparrow
Nick Fuentes works with FBI and is a closet homo (since his name was brought up). See the article below.

Nicks gay-op is clear
  1. Spread sterility. Encourage self pitty/women shaming over self-improvement to men who cannot achieve a girlfriend/wife.
  2. Pacify WN energy with a kosher speech code (optics)
  3. Get men engaging in Finkel-think (cope voting for GOP)
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Nick Fuentes works with FBI and is a closet homo (since his name was brought up). See the article below.

Nicks gay-op is clear
  1. Spread sterility. Encourage self pitty/women shaming over self-improvement to men who cannot achieve a girlfriend/wife.
  2. Pacify WN energy with a kosher speech code (optics)
  3. Get men engaging in Finkel-think (cope voting for GOP)
Surely a bitter article written by Nick's former business partner is reliable and not just trying to get some attention.

Optics isn't refusing to talk about jewry. It's so tiresome explaining optics to wignat NPCs who take what idiots like Richard Spencer say about optics at face value. If you watched a clip from any episode ever of Nick's show, you would know that he holds no reservations about calling jewry for what it is. What exactly should he do that he doesn't do, in your opinion? It's not a winning strategy to identify your movement as national socialist. I would be the first person to talk someone's ear off about the realities and lies of WW2 and certain regimes, but is that smart? Would the average conservative be open to considering undeniable facts that contradict that world view? Of course not. But you could at least convince them that capitalism is not all that it is cracked up to be. Or that legal immigration is not in our interest. Or even some aspects of race realism. You have to slowly push the overton window

Yeah the GOP sucks, and Nick has said as much. We should still vote Trump. You could make the case for not voting, fine. But WNs like spencer actively are voting for Biden. Why??? It's ATTENTION. That's all these guys are about. They are trying to be these edgy public figures, but their ideas have zero basis in reality.
 
^Big agree!
All wignats have achieved was to fall into a honeypot organised by some shady character (Charlottesville & Kessler) which resulted in white, right-wing men yet again being portrayed as Hitler-worshiping KKK idiots. Of course it was all media lies but do WNs really want to lecture others about optics? Not to mention almost every key figure in the alt-right is or has been accused by others in their circles of being a fed anyway. I've heard such rumors about Spencer, Enoch, Kessler, Cantwell, Anglin, JayOh from TRS. The infighting and purity spiraling is through the roof there!
They're simply butt-hurt because they were shown by a 20-yo how to properly organise and actually spread ideas without being outright cancelled and treated like nazis.
 
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FactusIRX

Robin
^Big agree!
All wignats have achieved was to fall into a honeypot organised by some shady character (Charlottesville & Kessler) which resulted in white, right-wing men yet again being portrayed as Hitler-worshiping KKK idiots. Of course it was all media lies but do WNs really want to lecture others about optics? Not to mention almost every key figure in the alt-right is or has been accused by others in their circles of being a fed anyway. I've heard such rumors about Spencer, Enoch, Kessler, Cantwell, Anglin, JayOh from TRS. The infighting and purity spiraling is through the roof there!
They're simply butt-hurt because they were shown by a 20-yo how to properly organise and actually spread ideas without being outright cancelled and treated like nazis.
The right is very strange about the purity spiral. My transformation from progressive to conservative was a gradual process over time. It started with the ultra-lite-right like Jordan Peterson, then to lite-right like Stefan Molyneaux and PJW, and then onto the right -> alt-right -> God-right. I'm sure my process is not dissimilar to many other people that transitioned to the right. It's a gradual process, and not everyone should be or needs to be 1488 NatSoc.
 
Surely a bitter article written by Nick's former business partner is reliable and not just trying to get some attention.

Optics isn't refusing to talk about jewry. It's so tiresome explaining optics to wignat NPCs who take what idiots like Richard Spencer say about optics at face value. If you watched a clip from any episode ever of Nick's show, you would know that he holds no reservations about calling jewry for what it is. What exactly should he do that he doesn't do, in your opinion? It's not a winning strategy to identify your movement as national socialist. I would be the first person to talk someone's ear off about the realities and lies of WW2 and certain regimes, but is that smart? Would the average conservative be open to considering undeniable facts that contradict that world view? Of course not. But you could at least convince them that capitalism is not all that it is cracked up to be. Or that legal immigration is not in our interest. Or even some aspects of race realism. You have to slowly push the overton window

Yeah the GOP sucks, and Nick has said as much. We should still vote Trump. You could make the case for not voting, fine. But WNs like spencer actively are voting for Biden. Why??? It's ATTENTION. That's all these guys are about. They are trying to be these edgy public figures, but their ideas have zero basis in reality.
Well said, its ironic hearing wignats talk big about leading a movement when they have taken nothing but losses in that past four years by purposely embracing the stereotype their enemies discredit them with. How much did Patrick Little accomplish by going up to normies in the Wal Mart parking lot and lecturing them about the JQ?
 

rotekz

Ostrich
Gold Member
The whole purpose of wignat subversion is to fool Western men into adopting a white identity in the fake race-war rather than a Christian identity. Pan-white-nationalism is a total dead end populated by pagan larpers, government agents and gays. And National Socialism is a poison pill used to discredit right-wing movements purely because it lies so far outside the Overton Window that only a fool would attempt to identify with it.
 

westernman

Sparrow
You guys say "All wignats have achieved was to fall into a honeypot" when your leaders meet and "work closely" with gay/pedo known FBI informants (Milo).

On top of that, your organization, AF is headed by a jewish household (Michelle and Jesse Malkin)
 
Our organization? Can't say for others but I am simply sympathetic to AF as their strategy, goals and overall energy seem very positive. Unfortunately, can't say any of that about what's left of alt-right even though I am sympathetic to this movement too. They're destined for echo-chamber if they don't change their approach to politics and spreading ideas. Like it or not, but Fuentes' and his Groyper Wars did more in couple of weeks to raise awareness about white advocacy (and even JQ!) than Spencer and his troops did in 4-5 years.

And you're just proving again that purity spiraling is strong with you guys but you seem to apply the very strict rules somewhat liberally when it comes to your people. The same "gay/pedo" Milo "worked closely" with Spencer too! Catholic Michelle Malkin is part of a Jewish household in your eyes but Mike Enoch who was married to a Jewish woman is fine. Then you have JayOh recorded bragging that he'd met with FBI in the past, Cantwell most likely ratted out his fellow WNs, Kessler worked for Obama and Millennial Woes turned out to be a creepy pervert.
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
You guys say "All wignats have achieved was to fall into a honeypot" when your leaders meet and "work closely" with gay/pedo known FBI informants (Milo).

On top of that, your organization, AF is headed by a jewish household (Michelle and Jesse Malkin)
Michelle Malkin is based, and she's got the clout, giving the AF movement more credibility


Watch this short clip and tell me that her optics are preventing her from calling out jewry.

Since when does Nick work closely with Milo? Nick went on Milos show once about a year ago- where he called Milo a degenerate homosexual to his face
 
Our organization? Can't say for others but I am simply sympathetic to AF as their strategy, goals and overall energy seem very positive. Unfortunately, can't say any of that about what's left of alt-right even though I am sympathetic to this movement too. They're destined for echo-chamber if they don't change their approach to politics and spreading ideas. Like it or not, but Fuentes' and his Groyper Wars did more in couple of weeks to raise awareness about white advocacy (and even JQ!) than Spencer and his troops did in 4-5 years.

And you're just proving again that purity spiraling is strong with you guys but you seem to apply the very strict rules somewhat liberally when it comes to your people. The same "gay/pedo" Milo "worked closely" with Spencer too! Catholic Michelle Malkin is part of a Jewish household in your eyes but Mike Enoch who was married to a Jewish woman is fine. Then you have JayOh recorded bragging that he'd met with FBI in the past, Cantwell most likely ratted out his fellow WNs, Kessler worked for Obama and Millennial Woes turned out to be a creepy pervert.
Don't forget Paul Nehlen, the pro America First congressional candidate who started with lots of potential and then threw it all away to make edgy jokes about the JQ while doxxing fellow dissident Ricky Vaughn for daring to criticize the failures of pan white nationalism.
 

westernman

Sparrow
Michelle Malkin is based, and she's got the clout, giving the AF movement more credibility


Watch this short clip and tell me that her optics are preventing her from calling out jewry.

Since when does Nick work closely with Milo? Nick went on Milos show once about a year ago- where he called Milo a degenerate homosexual to his face
A Filipina whos kids celebrate Haunikuah with her mixed kids is not based. Her Husband is an underclass Jew with a master in Public policy... And this is the household leading the AF movement. Do the math.

Since when? Since Nick said it. Go read the article, it lays it all out with dates. Milo is even building Nick's website for him... This is AFTER it became public knowledge that Milo works with the FBI to expose WN's. No excuse.

As I said before, the gay-op of AF is as follows.
  1. Spread sterility. Encourage self pitty/women shaming over self-improvement to men who cannot achieve a girlfriend/wife.
  2. Pacify WN energy with a kosher speech code (optics)
  3. Get men engaging in Finkel-think (cope voting for GOP, Arthur Finkelstein's jewish political control strategy)
 
A Filipina whos kids celebrate Haunikuah with her mixed kids is not based. Her Husband is an underclass Jew with a master in Public policy... And this is the household leading the AF movement. Do the math.

Since when? Since Nick said it. Go read the article, it lays it all out with dates. Milo is even building Nick's website for him... This is AFTER it became public knowledge that Milo works with the FBI to expose WN's. No excuse.

As I said before, the gay-op of AF is as follows.
  1. Spread sterility. Encourage self pitty/women shaming over self-improvement to men who cannot achieve a girlfriend/wife.
  2. Pacify WN energy with a kosher speech code (optics)
  3. Get men engaging in Finkel-think (cope voting for GOP, Arthur Finkelstein's jewish political control strategy)
Kind of throwing some big stones in glass houses if were gonna accuse the AF movement of being fed run while defending the WN movement.
 

FactusIRX

Robin
The whole purpose of wignat subversion is to fool Western men into adopting a white identity in the fake race-war rather than a Christian identity. Pan-white-nationalism is a total dead end populated by pagan larpers, government agents and gays. And National Socialism is a poison pill used to discredit right-wing movements purely because it lies so far outside the Overton Window that only a fool would attempt to identify with it.
I was sympathetic to white nationalism for a while, but I noticed they treat Christians with the same bitter anger that the atheists, Marxist left uses. I've been called a Jew Lover, worshiping a dead **** on a stick, worshiping a sky daddy, etc by white nationalists. If a white nationalist party or government ever came to power, they would crush and prosecute Christianity just as hard as the Marxist left would. They really are two sides of the same coin, which doesn't surprise me that much since all white nationalist figures are heavily infiltrated by the feds.
 

westernman

Sparrow
Kind of throwing some big stones in glass houses if were gonna accuse the AF movement of being fed run while defending the WN movement.
So what Feds/Jews are leading the WN movement? please enlighten us with proof of who and what the shot is, so WN, like me, can choose better people to listen to.

That's all I did with Nick/Michelle (and Owen). Provide proof they are working with feds/Jews, and then explain what the gay-op is. Please do the same for the WN movement.

To play devil's advocate, the only thing I hear is how Mike P's ex-wife was Jewish. I can't speak for all of us, but there was a time where I was apolitical and fornicated with jews, and even dated one for a bit.. Yet here I am, a WN who thinks jews are cancer to this earth. This is also nothing compared to Nicks FBI/homosexual ties, and the race mixed (((Malkin))) household running AF.
 
So what Feds/Jews are leading the WN movement? please enlighten us with proof of who and what the shot is, so WN, like me, can choose better people to listen to.

That's all I did with Nick/Michelle (and Owen). Provide proof they are working with feds/Jews, and then explain what the gay-op is. Please do the same for the WN movement.

To play devil's advocate, the only thing I hear is how Mike P's ex-wife was Jewish. I can't speak for all of us, but there was a time where I was apolitical and fornicated with jews, and even dated one for a bit.. Yet here I am, a WN who thinks jews are cancer to this earth. This is also nothing compared to Nicks FBI/homosexual ties, and the race mixed (((Malkin))) household running AF.
Its not just about being connected to the feds, Nick was right in the sense that the WN movement is morally bankrupt by having the majority of its notable figureheads being really bad examples for preaching their message.

I'll list a few examples now that you brought up the alcoholic Mike Peinovich for being a crypto jew married to a far left Jew while attending pride parades with her. There is the bilogist JF Gariepy who took funding from Jeffrey Epstein himself for his YT show and was taken to court for coercing a mentally challenged girl into living with him for sex against her parents wishes, there is wife beater Jim Goad who wrote an article titled "the case for degeneracy" because he was upset at young men turning to Christianity and trying to live trad lives , there is Christopher Cantwell who admittedly talks with the feds(look up his debate with CRP), Jason Kessler who organized Charlottesville which lead to the mass deplatforming of the right turned out to be an Obama supporter for a decade before that, Paul Nehlen(married to a latina) who ran for senate and destroyed his career with fed posting and also gave the dox of Ricky Vaughn to the leftist media over a remark he made on a podcast, Andrew Torba the owner of the internet trailer park for wignats known as GAB is openly working with the ADL to fight "anti semitism", and then Dick Spencer himself the effeminate intellectual from an upper class upbringing who constantly counter signals the religious right going as far as calling pro lifers "cucks" and race mixing with a satanist far left latina.

Regarding your last point, these aren't things that are in the past of these men's lives that they have repented from, they are still prideful degenerates who counter signal those(mainly christians of course) for aspiring for something actually traditional, while they themselves dictate whats traditional without living up to any of their own standards.
 
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