The Owen Benjamin Thread

BasedBaker

Robin
Trad Catholic
He speaks about his dad being a professor manipulating people. He left Hollywood and its money, so I don't hold his time in Hollywood against him. He motivates people to start families, which is good. If he would pretend to be a studied theologian, I would have a greater problem with his statements, but he says that people should not get their theology from him and he thinks it is good that his kids go to church.
His statements are wrong, but there is no deceptive plan behind it. And what he says is that dumb that it isn't even worth to spend much time and anger on it. It sounds like the parody of a mormon-muslim-jehova's witness. It used to anger me, but now I just ignore it.
The fact that he's leading souls astray and putting them on a path to hell should be cause to oppose him. Whatever his intentions are.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
Blasphemy should anger you. That is righteous anger. That it doesn't anger you now is concerning.
Should I feel anger about Islam and Mormonism 24/7?
The Lord will fight for me, and I shall hold my peace. To deal with something without anger is better in my opinion.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
Yeah, and handling the situation without anger in this situation means not watching a random dude blaspheme the Lord because he's "funny" or "insightful."
His soul is at stake, not yours. I rather feel sorry for people getting things that wrong, because it means the Holy Spirit has not entered their hearts yet.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
His soul is at stake, not yours. I rather feel sorry for people getting things that wrong, because it means the Holy Spirit has not entered their hearts yet.
You're not an observer in life, you're an active participant. One does not simply watch something without any sort of participation in that act. Merely looking at a woman in lust is adultery, what then is choosing to watch someone who blasphemes? In watching him, his numbers go up, he gets gratification from that. He is more likely to continue. If his Christian viewers, the vast majority of his viewers, stopped watching him he'd say "oh I probably should stop blaspheming if I want to feed my family." Instead people come up with excuse after excuse, deflection after deflection, to justify feeding into a channel that continuously blasphemes without repentance. You do not care for Owen Benjamin's soul, not really, if you continue watching him after he blasphemes. There are so many better alternatives to watch that give similar analysis without blaspheming, there is no gun to your head forcing you to watch Owen Benjamin.

If he insulted your mother, your wife, your daughter, in the most vile terms, only the lowest worm of a man would continue watching that person and making justifications for other people watching him. It would be unbelievably pathetic. You cannot say you would watch him after that sort of an insult on your family. We cannot place our family above God.

The arguments for watching Owen Benjamin are no different than for watching pornography. You get pleasure from watching something wrong, and you claim observation is separate from the act, and/or that the blame lies in the actors, producers, those who host it, etc., or you claim you watch it for the plot. It doesn't matter if the most enlightening secular discourse in the world happens in the midst of a pornographic film, you still do not watch the porn.
 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
I just saw a video where Owen Benjamin denies that Jesus died on the cross, and don't know how to interpret it. He literally said "If you want to call me a blasphemer, go ahead." Was he really blaspheming? Or was this just shorthand for a nuanced interpretation that God does not die, so Jesus only died in mortal form?

I think Owen is getting prideful, enjoying attention from making controversial heterodox interpretations of the bible. Owen then literally compared his Youtube banning to Jesus's persecution.
i follow his instagram page and I comment regulary and engage, I didnt see that one about denying the crucifixion but I know the Muslims deny it and there is at least one Muslim guy i know who is one of the bears maybe he spoke to Owen? One of the Muslim bears reached out to me from one of my comments and we started talking through telegram he is from Yemen but is American, I have also been talking to other Muslims in my country and their theology is all wrong, they believe about Christ but not in his divinity or the trinity, the kind of remind me of the jews how they are veiled and cant see Christ in the old testament, Iv been trying to reach to them by explaining some of those stories and the symbolism in them etc, they not very easy people to reach and a lot of the times they dont answer
 

Lithuanian Bear

Pigeon
Non-Christian
i follow his instagram page and I comment regulary and engage, I didnt see that one about denying the crucifixion but I know the Muslims deny it and there is at least one Muslim guy i know who is one of the bears maybe he spoke to Owen? One of the Muslim bears reached out to me from one of my comments and we started talking through telegram he is from Yemen but is American, I have also been talking to other Muslims in my country and their theology is all wrong, they believe about Christ but not in his divinity or the trinity, the kind of remind me of the jews how they are veiled and cant see Christ in the old testament, Iv been trying to reach to them by explaining some of those stories and the symbolism in them etc, they not very easy people to reach and a lot of the times they dont answer
Owen is Denying holy Trinity. He holds himself as the ultimate authority. He claims that he "May be wrong, but he aint lying" However what is the point of making such statement if you are not willing to be corrected? Just because you cant understand something out of the bat doesnt mean it is nonsense. Trinity has been dogma since the ancient times. I am glad that God has waited 2000 years for owen to be born ant tell how original church fathers and Apostle's were wrong. Pride is the ultimate sin and He is full of it.

If Owen was not such a vindictive person, riddled with anger and daddy issues maybe i would tolerate it a little bit more. There is a difference between being a piece of crap person and someone who is doesnt respect nonsense. When you hold yourself accountable to no one and ban anyone who disagrees with you making a discussion impossible there is no way to have a course correction and even if some criticism slips through the eco chamber cracks you then go into defensive with deflections and false claims of being a comedian instead of owning up to your mistakes....

No one is denying that Owen is a good father and that he is promoting some good lifestyle changes for people or alternative ways to live. However that doesnt give him right to be so foul towards people who you even respect. Just look how he act towards people who show any amount of small criticism towards him even when they are people who he is looking up to. That is not how a grown man should act.
 
I would say just go watch his videos and read the comments. In my opinion Owen Benjamin is a charismatic narcissist and even people who are not particularly weak minded are liable to get drawn into his orbit. He has Ivy League parents and Hollywood training. He is a sorcerer of the first degree and very in love with himself from what I can tell.
Personally he reminds me of a very abrasive school teacher going on a power trip, and that alone was enough to put me off from watching him. Hearing all the blasphemous stuff he said later just reaffirmed my hunch.
 

BasedBaker

Robin
Trad Catholic
Owen is Denying holy Trinity. He holds himself as the ultimate authority. He claims that he "May be wrong, but he aint lying" However what is the point of making such statement if you are not willing to be corrected? Just because you cant understand something out of the bat doesnt mean it is nonsense. Trinity has been dogma since the ancient times. I am glad that God has waited 2000 years for owen to be born ant tell how original church fathers and Apostle's were wrong. Pride is the ultimate sin and He is full of it.

If Owen was not such a vindictive person, riddled with anger and daddy issues maybe i would tolerate it a little bit more. There is a difference between being a piece of crap person and someone who is doesnt respect nonsense. When you hold yourself accountable to no one and ban anyone who disagrees with you making a discussion impossible there is no way to have a course correction and even if some criticism slips through the eco chamber cracks you then go into defensive with deflections and false claims of being a comedian instead of owning up to your mistakes....

No one is denying that Owen is a good father and that he is promoting some good lifestyle changes for people or alternative ways to live. However that doesnt give him right to be so foul towards people who you even respect. Just look how he act towards people who show any amount of small criticism towards him even when they are people who he is looking up to. That is not how a grown man should act.
I'm curious and this isn't an attack on you, but were you a Bear at one point based on your name? From what I can tell from reading Vox's blog he doesn't mention Owen anymore. Was there a falling out? I imagine Owen had a huge falling out with EMJ.
 
From what I can tell from reading Vox's blog he doesn't mention Owen anymore. Was there a falling out? I imagine Owen had a huge falling out with EMJ.
It was never officially confirmed but most people suspect there was a falling out because Vox most likely got fed up with Owen attracting too much drama to their brand, good example being the Nick Fuentes drama from two or so years ago.
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
It was never officially confirmed but most people suspect there was a falling out because Vox most likely got fed up with Owen attracting too much drama to their brand, good example being the Nick Fuentes drama from two or so years ago.
I've heard that Vox and Owen are equity partners in UA TV. Vox started it but Owen is the big star. If I were Owen I would have demanded an equity position to stream there. The other presenters produce much less content and are much drier.

Men can disagree without having a falling out. Besides Vox is DEFINITELY not a trinity/catholicism promoter and his general disregard for "Churchians" suggests he agrees with Owen.

At least these guys are creating alternatives. We need more people doing that.
 

Lithuanian Bear

Pigeon
Non-Christian
I'm curious and this isn't an attack on you, but were you a Bear at one point based on your name? From what I can tell from reading Vox's blog he doesn't mention Owen anymore. Was there a falling out? I imagine Owen had a huge falling out with EMJ.
I still follow his and his wife's instagram. I think they are pretty decent. However I do not watch his stream They are too much for me and there is better content to watch than that. So I do not know anything beyond what is posted on the instagram. I rarely if ever have followed any kind of drama. A lot of the times internet drama is nonsensical. Wish I had a better answer but I do not.
 

RonaldB

Sparrow
Catholic
It was never officially confirmed but most people suspect there was a falling out because Vox most likely got fed up with Owen attracting too much drama to their brand, good example being the Nick Fuentes drama from two or so years ago.
No, Vox and Owen are still friends. One sign that Owen is no longer in good terms with somebody is when he start attacking them for days and weeks like it happened with Nick Fuentes.

Here's Owen's stream from yesterday:

 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Owen is Denying holy Trinity. He holds himself as the ultimate authority. He claims that he "May be wrong, but he aint lying" However what is the point of making such statement if you are not willing to be corrected? Just because you cant understand something out of the bat doesnt mean it is nonsense. Trinity has been dogma since the ancient times. I am glad that God has waited 2000 years for owen to be born ant tell how original church fathers and Apostle's were wrong. Pride is the ultimate sin and He is full of it.

If Owen was not such a vindictive person, riddled with anger and daddy issues maybe i would tolerate it a little bit more. There is a difference between being a piece of crap person and someone who is doesnt respect nonsense. When you hold yourself accountable to no one and ban anyone who disagrees with you making a discussion impossible there is no way to have a course correction and even if some criticism slips through the eco chamber cracks you then go into defensive with deflections and false claims of being a comedian instead of owning up to your mistakes....

No one is denying that Owen is a good father and that he is promoting some good lifestyle changes for people or alternative ways to live. However that doesnt give him right to be so foul towards people who you even respect. Just look how he act towards people who show any amount of small criticism towards him even when they are people who he is looking up to. That is not how a grown man should

Owen is Denying holy Trinity. He holds himself as the ultimate authority. He claims that he "May be wrong, but he aint lying" However what is the point of making such statement if you are not willing to be corrected? Just because you cant understand something out of the bat doesnt mean it is nonsense. Trinity has been dogma since the ancient times. I am glad that God has waited 2000 years for owen to be born ant tell how original church fathers and Apostle's were wrong. Pride is the ultimate sin and He is full of it.

If Owen was not such a vindictive person, riddled with anger and daddy issues maybe i would tolerate it a little bit more. There is a difference between being a piece of crap person and someone who is doesnt respect nonsense. When you hold yourself accountable to no one and ban anyone who disagrees with you making a discussion impossible there is no way to have a course correction and even if some criticism slips through the eco chamber cracks you then go into defensive with deflections and false claims of being a comedian instead of owning up to your mistakes....

No one is denying that Owen is a good father and that he is promoting some good lifestyle changes for people or alternative ways to live. However that doesnt give him right to be so foul towards people who you even respect. Just look how he act towards people who show any amount of small criticism towards him even when they are people who he is looking up to. That is not how a grown man should act.
Even so have a little patience and dont give up on a person as they learn and grow, we can pray for the man and continue engaging on his feed, I did see the one on instagram where he shared pastor anderson throw out a guy in his church for questioning the trinity and I did comment there and I wasnt blocked and I received some likes too, I explained what the holy trinity is, this can apply to anyonw if they not at the place of understanding where we are help them cross that bridge and sow some seeds and engage, well thats what I do, hopefully if his heart is genuine and he is seeking for truth he will come around
 

MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Yep. He is insufferable. And while he does bring up good points and he can be genuinely funny at times, I can no longer grind it out and listen to his streams.
That’s how I feel about Tim Dillon. He has a genius for comedy that’s undeniable, and he’s actually much funnier than Owen, but then out of nowhere he’ll say things that just make me sigh and want to stop listening.
 
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