The Panama Papers Thread

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This is absolutely MASSIVE!! As others have mention here this is a hit job/targeted attack on a huge scale. What we are basically seeing here is extremely powerful people hitting other powerful people.

So the question is....who benefits from this attack? IMO globalist/open society it seems. Again we see how powerful this group of people are....
 

BassPlayaYo

Kingfisher
Guriko said:
How big is the chance of Trumps name appearing within this data? Along with other politicians or names who do not toe the party line?

Do you think they are saving the American names for last to present them on the most convenient date that would cause the most harm?

Some journalists have had access to these documents for months, the likelihood they're saving Americans names for last is zero.
 

Wreckingball

Pelican
Catholic
This is what happens when the state tries to take your wealth away with big taxes. You're forced to hide it trough obscure, but somehow legal, systems. "Smallionaires" stash money under the bed, billionaires send it around in circles throughout the world.

EDIT: To be honest, I do not understand the outrage regarding this. Everyone knew about shady "offshore" accounts and about Panama's ethics.
 

sylo

Woodpecker
No one has really any clue what it is, but everybody knows its huge. Someone is saying it is huge, so everyone esle will say its huge too. Were already being conditioned, and nothing has been released yet! This is one massive proaganda stunt to discourage, and scare people from thinking about taking their money out of the west. Every single 'normal' American is now much more intimidated and confused about international taxing. Basically, the end goal is to make even the thought of banking somewhere other than places explicitly 'OKed' by the West (US) a crime. Oh, you have an account in the Caymens? You MUST be corrupt! It is all PR and money/asset protection...for whatever they think will happening soon that they will need all of your money for...
 

captain_shane

 
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Horus said:
Guriko said:
How big is the chance of Trumps name appearing within this data? Along with other politicians or names who do not toe the party line?

Do you think they are saving the American names for last to present them on the most convenient date that would cause the most harm?

That's what I'm worried about. It's unlikely that Trump and his lawyers did things 100% by the books 100% of the time. If they find anything, no matter how innocuous, we have a problem.

Exactly, this has me pretty concerned. Hopefully Trump is 100% clean. The guy gets audited every year, so chances are decent that he is. Very concerning though.
 

PeruLover12

Woodpecker
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Listened to an interview on radio Moscow Ekho an hour ago.

They interviewed a member of the Russian government who said that this whole story of linking Putin to hidden billions is BS.

He asked why Putin would need to steal billions since he could never spend it even in retirement since any extravagant spending would immediately be picked up by journalists and ruin his legacy and reputation. Something else he said to the interviewer that was amusing was asking why he would need billions. He said if Putin wants to go spend time on a mega yacht ( he is accused of being behind the purchase of a $6 million boat ) he just has to call up Abramovich and he'll send one of his fleet to use as he wishes. If he wants to stay in a villa on the Cote d'Azur he can call any of the many oligarchs who own down there and stay as long as he wants. Basically he's Putin motherfuckers, he don't need no cash.

Anecdotally I know a Russian guy who was big in the property development world in St. Petersburg when Putin was governor of the region. He said Putin and his small group around him were the only people who would not accept bribes at that time to speed things up or get projects passed. The guy always played strictly by the law.
 

TheSlayer

Pelican
We all know the very rich, on both sides (the left and the right) hide their money overseas and avoid taxes as much as they can. Seeing Soros' name linked it to seems to me that this is a hit job on the people that he doesn't agree with. Are we going to see billionaires with globalist leanings exposed here? What about a company like Apple which has billion and billions stashed abroad? Starbucks?

Yeah, no chance.
 

philosophical_recovery

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Maybe I'm of a simplistic mind, but this just seems to be narrative reinforcement for Bolshevik gaslighting.

Piss off the ignorant poor and make the rich that are unfavourable to the cause convenient targets. Then the puppeteers push the bolsheviks to attack. Once that's done, exterminate the useful idiots and take the reins.

Then the world population will be lower, a lot more manageable, and proceed from there.
 

Parzival

Ostrich
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/arch...tekeepers-protect-western-1-from-panama-leak/

Whoever leaked the Mossack Fonseca papers appears motivated by a genuine desire to expose the system that enables the ultra wealthy to hide their massive stashes, often corruptly obtained and all involved in tax avoidance. These Panamanian lawyers hide the wealth of a significant proportion of the 1%, and the massive leak of their documents ought to be a wonderful thing.

Unfortunately the leaker has made the dreadful mistake of turning to the western corporate media to publicise the results. In consequence the first major story, published today by the Guardian, is all about Vladimir Putin and a cellist on the fiddle. As it happens I believe the story and have no doubt Putin is bent.

But why focus on Russia? Russian wealth is only a tiny minority of the money hidden away with the aid of Mossack Fonseca. In fact, it soon becomes obvious that the selective reporting is going to stink.

The Suddeutsche Zeitung, which received the leak, gives a detailed explanation of the methodology the corporate media used to search the files. The main search they have done is for names associated with breaking UN sanctions regimes. The Guardian reports this too and helpfully lists those countries as Zimbabwe, North Korea, Russia and Syria. The filtering of this Mossack Fonseca information by the corporate media follows a direct western governmental agenda. There is no mention at all of use of Mossack Fonseca by massive western corporations or western billionaires – the main customers. And the Guardian is quick to reassure that “much of the leaked material will remain private.”

What do you expect? The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)

among many others. Do not expect a genuine expose of western capitalism. The dirty secrets of western corporations will remain unpublished.

Expect hits at Russia, Iran and Syria and some tiny “balancing” western country like Iceland. A superannuated UK peer or two will be sacrificed – someone already with dementia.

The corporate media – the Guardian and BBC in the UK – have exclusive access to the database which you and I cannot see. They are protecting themselves from even seeing western corporations’ sensitive information by only looking at those documents which are brought up by specific searches such as UN sanctions busters. Never forget the Guardian smashed its copies of the Snowden files on the instruction of MI6.

What if they did Mossack Fonseca database searches on the owners of all the corporate media and their companies, and all the editors and senior corporate media journalists? What if they did Mossack Fonseca searches on all the most senior people at the BBC? What if they did Mossack Fonseca searches on every donor to the Center for Public Integrity and their companies?

What if they did Mossack Fonseca searches on every listed company in the western stock exchanges, and on every western millionaire they could trace?

That would be much more interesting. I know Russia and China are corrupt, you don’t have to tell me that. What if you look at things that we might, here in the west, be able to rise up and do something about?

And what if you corporate lapdogs let the people see the actual data?

UPDATE

Hundreds of thousands of people have read this post in the 11 hours since it was published – despite it being overnight here in the UK. There are 235,918 “impressions” on twitter (as twitter calls them) and over 3,700 people have “shared” so far on Facebook, bringing scores of new readers each.

I would remind you that this blog is produced free for the public good and you are welcome to republish or re-use this article or any other material freely anywhere without requesting further permission.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
What do you expect? The leak is being managed by the grandly but laughably named “International Consortium of Investigative Journalists”, which is funded and organised entirely by the USA’s Center for Public Integrity. Their funders include

Ford Foundation
Carnegie Endowment
Rockefeller Family Fund
W K Kellogg Foundation
Open Society Foundation (Soros)

hmmm

latest
 

NRx

Chicken
Gold Member
(http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31862988) Article is from march 2015
Iceland drops EU membership bid.
The government of Iceland has announced it is no longer seeking EU membership for the North Atlantic state..."Hence, the government considers that Iceland is no longer a candidate country and requests the EU to act in accordance with this from now on," he added...Iceland made an EU membership application in 2009 and later began accession talks.
However, the government in Reykjavik suspended the bid in 2013, arguing that a referendum on the issue should be held first.
What I find very intriguing with the Iceland leak, is that it comes barely a year after their government decided to cancel all talks concerning the country's entry into the EU.
If we assume that the Panama letters are a controlled leak to weaken anti-western/anti-globalist interests then It would not be farfetched to conclude that the leak on the icelandic PM & others in the country is punishment from vested interest who are displeased with the current governments' decision to stop EU-accession talks. This will most likely trigger snap elections and bring in a much more EU & Globalist friendly government in Iceland, which ultimately is the goal of those who are *really* in control of the leaks.

We will know when the next Icelandic government *suddenly* decides to reopen EU-accession talks with Bruxelles. :dodgy:
 

NASA Test Pilot

 
Banned
I smell alphabet soup rats being coordinated with big money from the tone. It is not that (all) the information is false, rather it is how it is going to be framed.

It will be about how some in power will try to use this information against others in power. They will use it to sway (domestic and international) public opinion by denouncing the individuals (politicians, members of industry, etc.). They may also use this and the public opinion to attempt (hollow) international legal proceedings.

At the national level it will be used against the citizenry and organizations (companies) who are using legal structures for tax avoidance and not tax evasion (illegal). This feels like another precursor of capital controls, both nationally and internationally, as economic difficulties are increasing around the planet.

It is a coordinated effort to be used to condition the public.
 
Apart from how it affects the chances of certain candidates in the US elections, I found myself struggling to give a runny shit about this story.

Rich people found to be using tax reduction or avoidance schemes. In other news, water is wet.

The principle of a government taking half your income in tax because you earn more than the average worker - who may add a fraction of the value to a business - irks me. And I say this as someone earning a moderate income.

As for Putin - if I was a Russian whose life was made better under his leadership, I wouldn't begrudge him a few extra millions. You get African heads of state like Zuma decorating their fucking mansions with public cash while white guilt nations throw even more cash at them but no one thinks of cutting that cord.

This 'leak' is a distraction and was always planned as such.
 

Seth_Rose

Pelican
Gold Member
Insightful article from Zerohedge:

Why is Nevada important? Because recall that according to a recent investigation by Bloomberg, "The World’s Favorite New Tax Haven Is the United States" ...



... and specifically several US states such as Nevada, Wyoming and South Dakota.

After years of lambasting other countries for helping rich Americans hide their money offshore, the U.S. is emerging as a leading tax and secrecy haven for rich foreigners. By resisting new global disclosure standards, the U.S. is creating a hot new market, becoming the go-to place to stash foreign wealth. Everyone from London lawyers to Swiss trust companies is getting in on the act, helping the world’s rich move accounts from places like the Bahamas and the British Virgin Islands to Nevada, Wyoming, and South Dakota.

“How ironic—no, how perverse—that the USA, which has been so sanctimonious in its condemnation of Swiss banks, has become the banking secrecy jurisdiction du jour,” wrote Peter A. Cotorceanu, a lawyer at Anaford AG, a Zurich law firm, in a recent legal journal. “That ‘giant sucking sound’ you hear? It is the sound of money rushing to the USA.”
That money is rushing for one simple reason: dirty foreign - and local - money is welcome in the U.S., no questions asked, to be shielded by the most impenetrable tax secrecy available anywhere on the planet.

One may even say that nowadays, US-based tax havens are the new Switzerland, or Bahamas or, for that matter, Panama. Indeed, for most Americans, offshore tax haven are now meaningless with the passage of the FATCA law, which makes the parking of dirty US money abroad practically impossible. So where does that money go instead - it stays in the US:

Others are also jumping in: Geneva-based Cisa Trust Co. SA, which advises wealthy Latin Americans, is applying to open in Pierre, S.D., to “serve the needs of our foreign clients,” said John J. Ryan Jr., Cisa’s president.

Trident Trust Co., one of the world’s biggest providers of offshore trusts, moved dozens of accounts out of Switzerland, Grand Cayman, and other locales and into Sioux Falls, S.D., in December, ahead of a Jan. 1 disclosure deadline.

“Cayman was slammed in December, closing things that people were withdrawing,” said Alice Rokahr, the president of Trident in South Dakota, one of several states promoting low taxes and confidentiality in their trust laws. “I was surprised at how many were coming across that were formerly Swiss bank accounts, but they want out of Switzerland.”
And, to top it off, there is one specific firm which is spearheading the conversion of the U.S. into Panama: Rothschild.

Rothschild, the centuries-old European financial institution, has opened a trust company in Reno, Nev., a few blocks from the Harrah’s and Eldorado casinos. It is now moving the fortunes of wealthy foreign clients out of offshore havens such as Bermuda, subject to the new international disclosure requirements, and into Rothschild-run trusts in Nevada, which are exempt.

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For financial advisers, the current state of play is simply a good business opportunity. In a draft of his San Francisco presentation, Rothschild’s Penney wrote that the U.S. “is effectively the biggest tax haven in the world.” The U.S., he added in language later excised from his prepared remarks, lacks “the resources to enforce foreign tax laws and has little appetite to do so.”
Yes, Mossack Fonseca may now be history, and its countless uberwealthy clients exposed, but none other than Rothschild is now delighted to be able to fill its rather large shoes. In fact, someone with a conspiratorial bent may decide that today's dramatic takedown of the Panama "offshoring" industry was nothing more than a hit designed to crush the competition of domestic "tax haven" providers... suxh as Rothschild.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-connections-and-why-its-now-rothschilds-turn
 

samsamsam

Peacock
Gold Member
Panama Papers allege offshore link with notorious British heist

https://www.yahoo.com/news/panama-papers-allege-offshore-notorious-british-heist-071755280.html

London (AFP) - A Panamanian shell company may have helped hide millions of dollars from the Brink's-Mat heist, a British gold bullion robbery that is etched in criminal folklore, leaked tax documents allege.

Dubbed the "crime of the century" by British media, the caper saw a masked gang make off with three tonnes of bullion worth nearly $40 million from a Brink's-Mat warehouse at Heathrow Airport in November 1983.

The gang tied up security guards and doused them with petrol, with one of the villains quipping "thanks so much for your help, have a nice Christmas" as they made off in a transit van laden with gold ingots.

Most of the loot was melted down and never recovered, despite a number of convictions over the crime.

British detectives believe the money still swills around criminal networks through property investments and shadowy overseas holdings.

Mossack Fonseca, the law firm at the centre of a massive online "Panama Papers" leak, may have helped shield the cash from British police investigators, according to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ).

Sixteen months after the robbery, Mossack Fonseca set up a shell company registered in Panama called Feberion Inc -- on behalf of a London-based money launderer Gordon Parry -- according to the ICIJ.

Parry was jailed in 1992 over his role in handling the bullion stolen in the heist.

One of the law firm's founders, Jurgen Mossack, was named as "nominee" director at Feberion, the ICIJ said citing an internal company memo it has obtained.

The memo, written by Mossack and dating from 1986, said he was aware that Feberion was "apparently involved in management of money from the famous theft from Brink's-Mat in London," the ICIJ report says.

"The company itself has not been used illegally, but it could be that the company invested money through bank accounts and properties that was illegitimately sourced," the memo was quoted as saying.

The law firm denied the allegation, the ICIJ said in its report, adding the company said Jurgen Mossack had no dealings with Parry.

But the ICIJ leaks show the company only ended its relationship with Feberion in 1995.

The Panama Papers have whipped a storm of controversy over off-shore wealth, ensnaring political leaders, sports figures and underworld members across the globe in a snowballing scandal.
 

Nineteen84

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
Gold Member
Article about how western media (the Guardian in this case) is misleading us regarding the Panama papers:

Panama Papers cause Guardian to collapse into self-parody


putinpanamapapers.jpg


You’d be forgiven for thinking, given the above picture, that the Panama Papers had something to do with Vladimir Putin. Maybe he was a kingpin of the whole thing. Maybe he was, at least, among the 12 world leaders implicated in various shady financial practices – along with Petro Poroshenko, the saviour of Ukrainian democracy, and the King of Saudi Arabia (dad of the recent Légion d’Honneur winner).

Luke Harding, a bastion of ethical journalism (and not at all a paranoid lunatic), has churned out 2 articles totaling over 5000 words, each using the word “Putin”, almost as often as they use the phrases “allegedly”, “speculation suggests”, “has been described as” and “may have been”.

Neither of his articles mentions by name any of the 12 world leaders, past and present, actually identified in the documents, nor do they mention David Cameron’s dad, who is also in there. No, they focus on a cellist friend of Putin’s, talk about his daughter’s marriage, and include an awful lot of diagrams with big arrows that point at pictures of…Vladimir Putin. This is, apparently, all evidence of…something.

…I’m not sure what, but it will probably be discussed at length in the “book” Luke Harding is probably planning to publish in a couple of weeks. That’s if the NSA don’t delete it all while he’s typing.

The only important, or even true, phrase Harding uses appears at the very top of this article:

…the president’s name does not appear in any of the records…

That’s a minor detail of course, I mean, they have a video: “How to hide $1 billion”. The title screen is, you guessed it, a photo of Putin. Presumably because he is SO GOOD at hiding his billions that, unlike Petro Poroshenko and David Cameron’s dad:

…the president’s name does not appear in any of the records…

So there you go. The Guardian falls into self parody, pasting up a massive picture, a misleading headline and 5000 words (that Harding presumably copied from someone else), at the merest suggestion of a tenuous connection to the Russian president.

It’s a bit odd, really.
 

Teutatis

Pelican
Gold Member
Agreed with everyone else, one more idiotic story filled with faux indignation to divert our attention.

What rich person doesn't have an offshore account? They're not even illegal, even though the US has been cracking down on tax havens to make sure it becomes itself the world's biggest.
 

Vicious

Crow
Gold Member
Why on earth would Putin or anyone else involved put their own name down on this? That would be insane, of course they put up a trusted confidant.
 

H1N1

Ostrich
Gold Member
It's a shameless, emotionally charged bleat from the unqualified and stupid about matters they can't understand. Panorama did a program on it last night, and it was shit. Full of unsubstantiated claims, emotional arguments, and sloppy use of terminology. For example, everyone involved used phrases like 'yes, this appears to be tax avoidance in action'. No shit. Tax avoidance is entirely legal in the UK, and that is explicitly spelled out in the legislation. Tax evasion is unlawful, and what the Govt. can come after you for. Of course, it doesn't matter to these bastards - the agenda gets pushed with scant regard for truth.

That said, I am all for any politician who uses one of these vehicles being strung up for it. If you make the rules then you have to play by them. For those of us who don't have a say in making the rules it's fair game to make what you think is reasonable disappear.
 
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