The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

Samseau

Owl
Gold Member
We'd all be better off without paying 25% of our salaries to the Fed, which is used to support indescribable evil. It is impossible to defend our government.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Dusty said:
Jonathan Haidt is pretty level headed, and he’s now saying the USA has about 30 years or less left.

Liberal multicultural secular democracy is not a natural occurrence for human nature and trends in America suggest there is a “very good chance” the US democracy will fail in the next 30 years, according to the professor of ethical leadership at New York University, Jonathan Haidt.
I can only see the opening paragraph. If anyone has a subscription, please post the whole article.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...t/news-story/0106ec1c458a0b5e3844545514a55b5a

The way things are accelerating, I’m not sure we have that long.

It’s time for opinion leaders to start discussing a peaceful divorce for the USA. I want to start seeing articles in the Washington post and New York Times with ideas on how to break apart peacefully. I want to see presidential candidates talking about it.

The USA has become too big to govern and too big to be a united cohesive nation. Too many immigrants from non-European counties have flooded the USA in the past several decades, and our disparate interests have torn us apart.

The USA land mass is huge. I could see several different countries form on the continent. More like Europe with smaller countries across the land mass.

How do you do it? I think the countries are proposed (e.g., Jefferson, Texas Republic etc). The you hold county level referendum where people choose which country they want to be part of. Majority or plurality wins. If you don’t like the new country, then you have to move.

I can see a third party candidate who makes this his focus getting votes from both democrats and republicans who want to split up.
The US has only become ungovernable because we've ignored our founding legal structure, specifically the Tenth Amendment. The federal government was only ever intended to handle issues that due to their nature cannot be handled at the state or local level--foreign policy and regulating commerce between the states being the two most important examples--and prevent states from infringing on a limited number of specific basic human rights such as the rights to free speech and religion, right to bear arms, and after the ratification of the 13th Amendment the right to not be enslaved by one's fellow man. Returning to that basic framework would solve 99% of our social problems and is probably the only way to keep the country healthy and intact long-term. It's extremely unlikely we get back there, but it's worth a shot before going to the nuclear option.
 
Dr Mantis Toboggan said:
The federal government was only ever intended to handle issues that due to their nature cannot be handled at the state or local level--foreign policy and regulating commerce between the states being the two most important examples--
It's too bad that the commerce clause already effectively denied any meaning to the 10th amendment via "precedent" from the Supremes, at least supposedly. All the Democrat asshats already joke about this.

Another example of sad, but true.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
The Constitution needs to be changed. The Judicial system shouldn't be a coequal branch of government. It was initially assumed that the Judiciary would be the weakest branch of government. In fact, the Constitution doesn't even say that the Supreme Court is the final judge on the constitutionality of laws. The court just seized that power and nobody complained. It is a major source of power for left wing academics who set the culture and ultimately decide the laws. That is why the most liberal progressives turned out to be Nixon appointments, when Nixon thought he was choosing conservatives. There is no longer any states' rights. The Supreme court grabbed that power too.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Any Constitutional change at this point will be left-wing driven towards left-wing ends. Most likely the 1A and the 2A would be instantly gone. The Left doesn't even mask their desire in double-speak to get rid of those things now. They're quite open about it.

It's an academic question and something worth thinking about if you were ever in position to influence how a future constitution is written after the dust and ashes settle but currently it's not going to happen.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
The 2 year and 10 year T Bond yields inverted this morning. Heads up, last time this happened was 2007. Economy in the USA looking really bad and Trump/Congress has no plans to fix it, so get ready to baton down the hatches.
 

El Chinito loco

Crow
Gold Member
It_is_my_time said:
The 2 year and 10 year T Bond yields inverted this morning. Heads up, last time this happened was 2007. Economy in the USA looking really bad and Trump/Congress has no plans to fix it, so get ready to baton down the hatches.
2020 recession looking more likely but in reality an inversion usually precedes market peak by about 2 years. If it follows historical trend then a major peak would be in 2021 and then bear market. If it happens much sooner then Trump is in big trouble.
 
We've never had this type of capital inflows looking for a safe haven, that's why you see the inversion. It doesn't mean anything, at least in the way they refer to or are used to. The ECB and Japan are negative and have monetized assets unlike any other time. This time is different, it is a fact, but I mean that in the way that classic application of these same principles is silly. This is proven by the fact that this is the most hated bull market in a long, long time --- and all the experts have been wrong for at least 5 years +

Of course, it will crash and crash hard, it's just that it's funny that it always keeps going a long time so we can make fun of all these "experts."

I can see a 2021 issue but I still say the backbreaker, the real big boy, comes after that.

Either way, Mr. Oliver's momentum analysis says that if the S&P dips below 2631, look out below. He even labeled it a play of the century. What's funny, and he might be right (I'm guessing it doesn't go lower than that line), is that he said if they tested the 2300 level in December, it would also fall ... it got as low as 2351 and immediately bounced to keep growing to where we are today.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-skinsuits-show-themselves.html

The skinsuits show themselves
"Conservative" writer Jennifer Rubin, who has claimed to be a Republican for decades, can't hide her hatred for the God-Emperor or everyone who wants to make America great again as she calls for the burning down of the Republican Party.
Washington Post opinion writer Jennifer Rubin pushed for Americans to work together to "burn down the Republican party" in the hopes of extinguishing any trace of the enthusiasm for President Trump.

Rubin appeared on MSNBC's "AM Joy" Sunday and said that not only does Trump have to lose in 2020, but there must be a purging of "survivors" who still support the commander-in-chief.

"It's not only that Trump has to lose, but that all his enablers have to lose," she said. "We have to collectively, in essence, burn down the Republican Party."

"We have to level them because if there are survivors -- if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again."
This is pure projection from a Bolshevik Fake American. The entire neoclown program is to do to America what their predecessors did to Russia, only this time with trannies and pedos.

Look at what organizations this woman has written for: the "Right Turn" blog for The Washington Post. Previously she worked at Commentary, PJ Media, Human Events, and The Weekly Standard. Her work has been published in media outlets including Politico, New York Post, New York Daily News, National Review, and The Jerusalem Post. Almost all of them nominally "right-wing".

But Shapiru, Prager, and Kristol aren't the only false "conservatives". It's been one massive con job, as all of these neoclowns are left-wing Trotskyites seeking the destruction of America and Western civilization.
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Your annual reminder that civic nationalism is not a viable remedy to being put against a wall and shot.
 

rpg

Ostrich
The 2020 election run up is going to be savage beyond belief.
I am glad they are running Elizabeth Warren. A psycho like Hillary would draw energy from the mayhem.
 

Renzy

Kingfisher
Is the US more likely to experience The Troubles of Northern Ireland, or the Spanish Civil War?

via https://redstatesecession.org

…the right-wing presumption of military victory assumes that there will be a “trigger” that will culturally allow actual warfare to take place. However, such a trigger is unlikely to take place, not least because it is in the left’s interests to ensure that it does not. This is why they will likely avoid any potential trigger policies (namely, gun-confiscation bills). Without such a trigger, there will be no real “war,” at least in the conventional sense, and the low-intensity conflict we have been experiencing will continue and escalate with lawfare, psychological warfare, and low-grade political violence, such as Antifa’s domestic terrorism and the Rep. Steve Scalise baseball shooting.
The assumption from the Right that there will eventually be some catalyzing event that will "shock" conservatives into coming together in solidarity to fight an armed conflict against the Left is what will keep the slow boil going...

The Left will want to “attack” and weaken the Right, but without triggering the military to retaliate or stage a coup. Thus, both the Left and the mainstream Right will not want civil war.

The revolutionary Right are those who think that preventing Washington DC from being ruled by true socialists- economic and cultural socialists)- is worth fighting for. They will want to provoke either

A) a civil war of attrition of tens of millions. Or a war to force tens of millions of US citizens to starvation across the border. God forbid.

B) a coup with the intent of installing a benevolent authoritarian government not dependent on elections.

C) peaceful secession. The secession itself is intended to be peaceful, but to convince the public to choose secession, the Right might beforehand use violent means to provoke catalyzing and clarifying events.

If events got really bad, the mainstream Right might be willing to go for option C or even option B. A fraction of the Left would support option C as well (a fraction already does).

Some conservatives are starting to understand that they are outnumbered and powerless. As more of the mainstream Right discover that they won’t (and haven’t) been able to use elections to prevent unacceptable policies from being enacted, some can be expected to choose one of these three options, and I think they would choose secession over the other options.

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How bad will it have to get for the revolutionary Right to get strong or active enough to provoke secession? The problem is that things have been getting worse for decades and we’re boiling like frogs in a pot.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
When most of the Boomers are dead and no Republican party short of drag-wearing sellouts is capable of courting a Left Wing vote then the center will not be able to hold. Or in other words, when your choices go from "Trump or Bernie" to "Bernie or Kamala" and eventually to "Kamala or Cortez" then white America is going to look toward taking their ball and going home.

The jury is still out on whether they'll be too weak to manage it by then.
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
As whites slide below 50% of the populace in the next 15 or so years, the only way the US hangs together is with an increasingly authoritarian gov't cracking skulls. Like Samseau, I'd prefer peaceful secession... Hispanics get much of the SW and maybe blacks get their Wakanda.

Any state that rights itself is simply going to have to heavily control immigration, because prosperous, conservative areas will draw people who want the benefits of that society and yet will vote to subvert it at the ballot box. This is why I'd prefer to consolidate around a nation people of common ethnicity/religion/culture rather than a purely political entity like a state.
 
Hispanics culturally appropriate their Spanish language and Catholicism from a white culture and former empire. They hate it when you tell them this. Truth be told, most of them aren't their own race, they're all hybrid descendants, results of miscegenation between frisky Cortes underlings and human-sactificin' indigenous.

The hand directs the pack of wolves, the white-skinned Mexicans and special handlers will point their fingers at all other whites occupying mainland America and rile up the brown hordes to attack them. Biological weapons is all they are, on a grand scale. Their lives mean nothing to any of the talking heads.

European solidarity, whether Christian or Pagan, is important at this point, though I do believe that only linkage through God and Christ is the stronger way. It doesn't matter what you've been raised to believe about the US and the Flag and the consty, if your ancestors came from Europe, that blood flows in your veins and you are a traitor if you deny that heritage.

I do not want to fight anyone either but if the hordes try to do anything to me or my own, I will take out as many of them as I can. But to avoid this, we should all be pointing fingers back at the head of the snake, and actively tell hispanics of their predicament by who really rules over them.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
MusicForThePiano said:
European solidarity, whether Christian or Pagan
This too is a false dichotomy, always the same divide and conquer strategy ..

In the end it does not matter what you believe in, or even if like me you are not very spiritual at all - in the end you fight for life or you fight for death, simple as that.
 

perros

Woodpecker
Leonard D Neubache said:
When most of the Boomers are dead and no Republican party short of drag-wearing sellouts is capable of courting a Left Wing vote then the center will not be able to hold. Or in other words, when your choices go from "Trump or Bernie" to "Bernie or Kamala" and eventually to "Kamala or Cortez" then white America is going to look toward taking their ball and going home.

The jury is still out on whether they'll be too weak to manage it by then.

I don't think its quite doom and gloom as you are making it out to be.

Remember Boomers were once the SJW's of the 60s. The hippie movement, sexual liberation revolution, everyone smoking pot, protests in college campuses, civil rights movement, etc...

The way I see it, as people age they become more and more conservative. There will always be old people to make a contrast between between the more progressive masses and conservative old people.

Millenials will one day get to 60 and 70 and wont be as liberal as the future generations. Its a cycle.
 
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