The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
NoMoreTO said:
Texas could be ground zero. I think you're best in the mid west - Kansas, Wyoming etc.

There is too much money, oil, and too many Texans in Texas. Theres' gonna be some fighting there
Also we just found out this week that only 27% of public education 4th graders are white - non-Hispanic.

Texas seems like ground 0. The coasts are already lost and Texas is the major battle ground.
 

kel

Pelican
Move around wherever is advantageous, but remember, building your community around you and keeping it as autonomous as possible is absolutely essential. You're never going to find a country or state that does not lumber towards bureaucratic bloat, it's just what the bureaucratic machine does. Fight it as best you can, but you'll be more effective building a resilient, self-sufficient community around you and encouraging others to do the same. Only a distributed, loose network of strong, organized, resourceful communities based on trust and shared values can survive the collapse.
 
I do know better than to underestimate your enemy, however, the idea that the left will win a civil war in America needs a lot of qualification. Since no such war has started yet, at least the hot war (I very much believe we are in a cold civil war right now) no one knows for sure how things will turn out. But, we do know some things. The average leftist is generally a left side of the bell curve distribution person. Left side of the bell curve people are wretched and no good. If you look at antifa its all there for you. Perhaps one of the most jarring aspects of antifa is that they're a bunch of pathetic individuals that have no business picking fights with anyone. Those people are the losers that the losers in high school bullied. Not one of them were picked to play a sport, not even JV. Things people are literally bottom of the barrel societal rejects. For the moment, they get a lot of attention because in a civilized society they have nothing to lose and so they can appear to be intimating and even commit acts of violence, but, the majority of the population isn't engaged to fight back. When small bits of the more worthy parts of society do fight them its a blow-out. These people appear to be "organized" but, again, such "organization" is misleading. You have to ask who is antifa? Well, they're the heroin addicts. The female and male prostitutes. How organized is a heroin addict on average? Because that is the extent of antifa's ability to organize. They're scum. They couldn't join the military not because they're drug addicts and have a record, but, even if they did, antifa are the people that wash out. These people are losers. Look, their life is so wretched all they can do is form mods to protest meaningless bullshit. The rest of us aren't protesting because we have better things to do. If they weren't such violent punks they'd be worthy of pity for just being such worthless pieces of shit. But, they are violent. Picture the weakest most wretched loser in high school that even the geek class avoids and picks on starting a fight with one of the varsity wrestling or football captains. That's the true comparison and what we're up against.

Of course, never underestimate your enemy. But, if (or maybe when) we all have to engage them, show absolutely no mercy.
 

Sword and Board

Woodpecker
When your enemy holds all the gold, the media and military infrastructure and is rapidly displacing your numbers whilst bolstering their ranks. I cant help but feel a little black pilled on the matter if such a thing came to pass in the future.

I imagine another Holodomor like purge and massacre whilst some Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein) like figure smugly tells us to eat cake.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
The Left will not seek to risk an actual violent conflict between constitutionalists and law enforcement. These laws and the specter (fake) of confiscations etc will be attempted to be used as they have in the past.

1) Make draconian gun laws.
2) Hint at serious enforcement.
3) Create a false dichotomy between "enforcement=resistance, no-enforcement=no-resistance".
4) Don't enforce. No resistance but the laws remain.
5) Over time the fires die down but now everyone in contravention of the draconian/unconstitutional laws has to live in fear.

Over time businesses no longer stock banned parts, you cannot discuss owning such things or sell them to anyone but your closest brothers. You cannot use them on public land to hunt or even train with them without risking being caught. Law enforcement will eventually start using those laws they previously decried because when you have to arrest someone then you're going to find whatever you need to make sure they do hard time, and as long as it's only one person here or there then there will be no organised resistance.

Having said all that, this circumstance has certainly ratcheted up the stakes for both parties to a new level but nothing will come of it until the violent response is toward the lawmakers themselves* rather than merely to the prospect of those laws actually being enforced. When you start to see credible threats that unconstitutional laws must be withdrawn or penalties faced by the tyrants then you have a game on your hands. Until then it will simply be a game of "spook the cattle into tighter pens and then let them get used to the new normal".

*I am not advocating for said violence but merely giving an observational opinion etc etc etc.

Take it from an Australian. Tons of guys ignored the 96' civilian disarmament laws and thumped their chest about shooting anyone that came to take their guns. The upshot was that nobody came to take their guns. Big deal. The laws became the new normal and now we have the anti-gun culture we have today. Try getting an old SKS now. They're all rusting away in the ground while their owners die of old age in a nursing home somewhere.
 

Salinger

Woodpecker
Leonard D Neubache said:
1) Make draconian gun laws.
2) Hint at serious enforcement.
3) Create a false dichotomy between "enforcement=resistance, no-enforcement=no-resistance".
4) Don't enforce. No resistance but the laws remain.
5) Over time the fires die down but now everyone in contravention of the draconian/unconstitutional laws has to live in fear.
I feel there is a psychological strategy at work here. Is there a name for this type of ploy?
 

Easy_C

Crow
High ask. It’s a tactic Trump used frequently where you make an outrageous ask then back down to something reasonable but still in your favor.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Police state dictatorship. Where everyone is always guilty of something that is not being enforced, but if they step out of line then it magically gets enforced at their expense.
 

Dallas Winston

Ostrich
Gold Member
Salinger said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
1) Make draconian gun laws.
2) Hint at serious enforcement.
3) Create a false dichotomy between "enforcement=resistance, no-enforcement=no-resistance".
4) Don't enforce. No resistance but the laws remain.
5) Over time the fires die down but now everyone in contravention of the draconian/unconstitutional laws has to live in fear.
I feel there is a psychological strategy at work here. Is there a name for this type of ploy?
Shifting the Overton Window
 

aeroektar

Pelican
Imagine if Trump had the balls to say "we'll send in the national guard" in response to sanctuary cities.

Dems play with fire, republicans just cuck out. The only thing that can save this country at this point is civil war.
 
I would like to spread as much awareness and expose the hypocrisy of these elitist bloodlines and their teat-munching banking organizations, if more normies would just learn a modicum of proper history in massacres and money ownership, they would realize that the natural divide of people is the easiest prey to start a war. I don't want there to be a civil war and needless killing, because in the end this is just another three way fight, two duke it out, and the third waits patiently to come in and rule over the now weakened victor. If by some fluke the left wins an alleged civil war, they will be easier to rule over, but if the right wins, then it will most likely be civil strife without end. There is no guaranteed victory in a 'civil war' when both sides are being played, just like the first one.

Most leftists will back down when confronted by true strength, especially if you stand under God's truth, they cower and shirk like cockroaches. This thread should be called the push for civil war 2 instead of the path to civil war 2. This can still be averted, I believe, on a full-scale hot war, but I think the breakup of the USA along demographic lines is inevitable. This can be done without major bloodshed I believe.

I know for a fact that military and police departments will not shoot each other now, but in ten or twenty years when all the rank and file are black, hispanic, and female, or even gay? They will have no loyalty and submit to the system without a hesitation, and if an Order 66 is given to execute all white males in their ranks, then the remaining % of Heritage American protectors will be wiped out if not careful.

The best weapon would be to force their hand continuously now, keep forcing them to show their hand and foolishness, for the earlier and unprepared the other side is the more likely things are to result in a swift victory that would prevent a prolonged conflict (and in any long timeline, there is a lot of room for things to go wrong). A shorter window of excursion would allow for the proper realignment of discourse and a continuing exposure of the enemy within.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
From ZeroHedge:

"American gun purchases on Black Friday could arm entire British Military

Here’s an interesting fact we discovered recently: on Black Friday this year, Americans bought 202,500 firearms, according to the number of FBI background checks conducted, which are required for gun sales.

That’s enough to arm the entire British military of 190,000 soldiers, including reserves, with a cool 12,000 firearms leftover

This Black Friday is just 1,000 guns below the all time record for guns purchased in one day, which was on Black Friday in 2017."
 
aeroektar said:
Imagine if Trump had the balls to say "we'll send in the national guard" in response to sanctuary cities.

Dems play with fire, republicans just cuck out. The only thing that can save this country at this point is civil war.
Trump should have arrested every governor/government executive that supported a sanctuary jurisdiction for illegals. In principle at least.

Harboring illegals (in the millions as in the case of the USA) = protecting a foreign invasion force.

In the game of politics and optics however, it's looking like the smart move (intentional or not) was to wait it out and let the democrats divide by zero enough times so that when Trump rightfully counter-punches, it will appear mighty justified.

You want to arrest our sheriffs for protecting the 2nd amendment of all things?

Fuck you then... we're coming for your sheriffs and politicians who protect and give comfort (welfare, schools, etc) to a foreign invasion force.

Let's all hope the shitheads in VA send in the national guard and go full retard. That will highlight the double standard to a level that NOBODY can ignore anymore. And THEN, Trump will have a overwhelming clear high ground to send in the troops to deal with the illegals and all the traitors who should have been dealt with long ago.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
He won't though.

He'll tweet about it and string the dumb conservatives along for as long as possible giving them just enough hope to cling to that he's going to finally come riding in on his white steed.

He's in the bag for the jews. Preface no plan on him being anything other than a traitor and if you're wrong then you can be pleasantly surprised rather than planning for a best case scenario and getting blindsided.
 

Easy_C

Crow
I kind of hope that they show their hand and both send in the guard + impeach Trump.

It's possible on both counts because well....they work well when they think they're smooth operators. When they feel threatened their instinct is to hysterically double down and it's too soon for that to work for them.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Leonard D Neubache said:
He's in the bag for the jews.
An alternative view on this:

Tomato Bubble dot com said:
Some of our beloved but misguided "far right" ™ friends from the "Trump-is-a-Zionist-puppet" and "Mike King is a disinfo op" chorus have already started screaming the house down over this latest strategic display of seeming Israeli a##-kissing by The Maestro. Relax, boys and girls. This move to punish the college commies who wish to boycott Israel (only because of Israeli nationalism) is pure tactical genius, a la Sun Tzu.

Let's get real. The sh###y little state, though still sh###y, isn't going to disappear anyway. The best we can hope for now is to keep it well-behaved towards its Arab neighbors; and to not drag us into anymore wars against them. The decline and looming fall of Satanyahoo -- who Trump has dumped like a steaming hot turd in the toilet -- may be an important step in that regard.

Just like Trump's "controversial" decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem (who cares?), and to recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights (which was stolen a half-century ago and has been, for years, already populated by Jews), and to recognize certain settlements as Jewish (again, already stolen and occupied for years) -- this latest move to withhold Federal money to universities that promote the George-Soros-funded BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanction) movement serves two important strategic political objectives:

1. It further insulates Trump from the "kiss-of-death" charge of "anti-Semitism" ™ which the "usual suspects" on the Left have been working very hard to brand him with.... and..

2. It divides all-mighty Jewry in half, bringing in a bunch of Jewish voters in key "swing states" -- who, though they may be libtarded, are not necessarily Marxists -- and great big bundles of shekels into the pro-Trump / GOP camp.

Make sense?
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
That's not an alternative view. It's a pretty way of saying exactly what I said. That Trump is bending over for the jews in order to stay in power.

Unless he's moving the needle on the things destroying his nation then he's nothing more than an opportunistic scumbag who exploited populism to get a foothold among the oligarchy.

His base was ready to go to war in 2017. He tossed a wet blanket over them, said "trust me" and proceeded to throw the game month over month.
 
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