The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Good post:
A survivor of the collapse of Yugoslavia offers a rather disturbing perspective of the current situation in the USA to Americans and Canadians.

Yugoslavia was a multi-ethnic country with worldwide influence and huge military might. It had a huge security apparatus and kept everyone in check by socialist/federal spending. As someone who experienced the collapse of Yugoslavia let me tell you Americans a couple of things.
  1. There are no white hats.
  2. Your country is collapsing because there is not enough money to keep the system working.
  3. Nobody has a plan, good or evil. Nobody is in control.
  4. All foreign powers are helping accelerate the collapse.
  5. Your country will be robbed before, during and after the war.
  6. The robbing starts with hyperinflation.
  7. There will be international “peacekeepers” on your territory.
  8. Do not try to change the internal state borders, it does not work.
  9. Ethnic cleansing actually works.
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
There is an X factor in this scenario if it were to occur in the US. That is, a large majority of American homes have a private arsenal. Not sure if that would make the situation better or worse.
The problem is there is no organization on the community level. It would take a while for white Americans to unite since we're so fractured (by design). There is a level of suspicion among whites since we don't know what "side" our neighbors are on. This is especially true for urban and suburban whites. During the summer last year, despite riots and looting the town over, nobody in my town bothered forming a militia or patrol. I asked a cop about the riots and basically he said he was on high alert. Great. The town's police force of like 7 men are supposed to stop hordes of rioters. Our local Walmart got boarded up every evening around 5 or 6 with random explosions going off around the town at all hours and people just ignored it, much like the post Vox/Roosh shared above.

I think in comparison to the post about Yugoslavia, the white leftists are going to act like NPC's. They're the ones who are going to suffer the most, unless they swallow their pride, repent, and get behind one of the Americans with a private arsenal - but that won't happen until after they've personally experienced the consequences.
 

An0dyne

Robin
Tucker had Pedro Gonzales on today talking about how Bill Gates owns over half the farm land in the United States, as well as the “intellectual property” rights to most seeds. Coupled with Blackrock and other firms buying up all single family housing, this doesn’t paint a pretty picture. He also had a segment on how BLM and the burning of cities is toward the end goal of a federal police force. This is what “defunding the police” was all about. They don’t even want local police, much less militias. It seems to me that they’re trying to enact a 1984-style dystopia before any kind of reactionary civil war could take place. Essentially, destabilize the society and take away all avenues of self-determination so they can seize full power without any resistance.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
The problem is there is no organization on the community level. It would take a while for white Americans to unite since we're so fractured (by design). There is a level of suspicion among whites since we don't know what "side" our neighbors are on. This is especially true for urban and suburban whites.

There seems to be a significant regional disparity. People in Idaho had harmed patrols out and shut down rioters in town. Ditto for Wichita, Some towns near Birmingham, towns near Indianapolis, etc.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
It seems to me that they’re trying to enact a 1984-style dystopia
It’s a form of government that doesn’t have an exact historical precedent: anarcho-tyranny- think of East German oppression combined with South African chaos. Crimes committed by “racists” (state enemies) will be vigorously prosecuted to make examples while other crimes often committed by the POCs will be ignored if possible.
 

MRBR1908

Sparrow
Has anyone ever read the seventies book the Turn-er Di-ari-es. Its a banned book (or semi-banned), but was in my public library still in the nineties (probably put me on a list checking it out to read). It was often quoted as being way racist and right wing extremist (which there is a lot of to the book), but I'll be darned if a lot of what it states in the book about the degradation of society isn't where we are at now societally. The only thing not coming true in it is that the police aren't going door to door busting in, arresting people and taking their guns (which may yet be coming).
 

stugatz

Pelican
It’s a form of government that doesn’t have an exact historical precedent: anarcho-tyranny- think of East German oppression combined with South African chaos. Crimes committed by “racists” (state enemies) will be vigorously prosecuted to make examples while other crimes often committed by the POCs will be ignored if possible.
This might be true and everything, but most normies I've run into on the street would probably drop all of the bullcrap they're playing along with once they start feeling unsafe on a regular basis. Maybe I just have a hard time believing people can take this kind of treatment.

I said to an acquaintance the other day, "I'd rather be racist and safe than open-minded and lose my house in a fire". I think most people feel this way. It's also possible that I just have a habit of running into people who think this way? But I doubt it, the Minneapolis/St. Paul suburbs aren't really known to be based.
 
This might be true and everything, but most normies I've run into on the street would probably drop all of the bullcrap they're playing along with once they start feeling unsafe on a regular basis. Maybe I just have a hard time believing people can take this kind of treatment.

I said to an acquaintance the other day, "I'd rather be racist and safe than open-minded and lose my house in a fire". I think most people feel this way. It's also possible that I just have a habit of running into people who think this way? But I doubt it, the Minneapolis/St. Paul suburbs aren't really known to be based.
This is often how I see this too. Everybody is a NIMBY (Not In My BackYard). I’m located near Chicago where some of the most decadent suburbs are the most liberal. As soon as the result of their arrogance comes like a bullet through their front door, they might be whistling a different tune. Only until then.
 

stugatz

Pelican
This is often how I see this too. Everybody is a NIMBY (Not In My BackYard). I’m located near Chicago where some of the most decadent suburbs are the most liberal. As soon as the result of their arrogance comes like a bullet through their front door, they might be whistling a different tune. Only until then.
This is also NOT the time for the anti-white rhetoric to reach South Africa intensity. Enough people are going along with it, but how many of those are quietly saying “wow, what a crock” and itching to say it out loud?

Couldn’t they have just waited until all the boomers died off? 2050 wasn’t that far away. Why now?
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
This is also NOT the time for the anti-white rhetoric to reach South Africa intensity. Enough people are going along with it, but how many of those are quietly saying “wow, what a crock” and itching to say it out loud?

Couldn’t they have just waited until all the boomers died off? 2050 wasn’t that far away. Why now?
I think partly Trump caught them off guard and caused them to overreact and accelerate hard. The other part is that the fracturing Democrat party requires a common enemy to keep it together. But they can’t control it 100%. It takes on a life of its own and gets out of control.
 

stugatz

Pelican
I think partly Trump caught them off guard and caused them to overreact and accelerate hard. The other part is that the fracturing Democrat party requires a common enemy to keep it together. But they can’t control it 100%. It takes on a life of its own and gets out of control.
This is one of the reasons I think it's silly to say Trump was bad for the country. (His election might have been the main achievement and everything else was gravy - but his election made the opposition go nuts and stop hiding their intentions.)

It still might be too late to save the country, but I'll be happy with conflict that comes from "turn the US into South Africa" being implemented 30 years too early. It's far too soon to cow EVERYONE. Even if only one percent of people were to end up resisting, that's well over a million people.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
One observation: I think recent events massively amplify the risk of this happening.

  1. Someone out there is pushing a massive memetic "Their taliban, our taliban" message. The OP's (who first posted this) are some very sus Reddit and Twitter accounts. This is openly encouraging a civil war mentality among both liberals and the people they're trying to cast as extremists. Example:

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  1. Second point: the success of the Taliban is massively emboldening to every entity both foreign and domestic that wants to clash with the US government. This isn't because we retreated. Everyone already knew that was coming. It's both because of how visceral the rout is and because of the extreme levels of denial, incompetence, and infighting present in the response. Furthermore leaving so many people stranded sends a clear "we don't care about you" message that is demoralizing to people who work for and with the government (so much so that you're even seeing MSM outlets furious that people they know are stranded over there, probably to be killed).
 
One observation: I think recent events massively amplify the risk of this happening.

  1. Someone out there is pushing a massive memetic "Their taliban, our taliban" message. The OP's (who first posted this) are some very sus Reddit and Twitter accounts. This is openly encouraging a civil war mentality among both liberals and the people they're trying to cast as extremists. Example:

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  1. Second point: the success of the Taliban is massively emboldening to every entity both foreign and domestic that wants to clash with the US government. This isn't because we retreated. Everyone already knew that was coming. It's both because of how visceral the rout is and because of the extreme levels of denial, incompetence, and infighting present in the response. Furthermore leaving so many people stranded sends a clear "we don't care about you" message that is demoralizing to people who work for and with the government (so much so that you're even seeing MSM outlets furious that people they know are stranded over there, probably to be killed).

It also reeks of stupidity (or collusion) how some of those on the Right are out waxing poetic about the Taliban. I assume the members on this forum doing so have just been caught up in that meme but I would suggest stopping immediately.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Furthermore leaving so many people stranded sends a clear "we don't care about you" message that is demoralizing to people who work for and with the government (so much so that you're even seeing MSM outlets furious that people they know are stranded over there, probably to be killed).

At around the time of the victory of The Orange in 2016, I remember thinking - I have never really had trust in the media, but now my trust in the media has hit zero.

Over the following years I was thinking - Now my trust in the media is negative.

This was the wrong way of framing it.

The correct way to frame it is - I do not believe in the media.

This is a phenomena that I can see in others, across all of the institutions.

Not believing in institutions is to want them gone, and to be replaced.

Real diametric opposition to clown world is emerging.

I also sense people's fear of speaking out is decreasing.

They have little to loose if they don't believe in their institutions.

Just as the 300,000 Afghan "allies" had no reason to stop The Taliban.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
The problem is there is no organization on the community level. It would take a while for white Americans to unite since we're so fractured (by design). There is a level of suspicion among whites since we don't know what "side" our neighbors are on. This is especially true for urban and suburban whites. During the summer last year, despite riots and looting the town over, nobody in my town bothered forming a militia or patrol. I asked a cop about the riots and basically he said he was on high alert. Great. The town's police force of like 7 men are supposed to stop hordes of rioters. Our local Walmart got boarded up every evening around 5 or 6 with random explosions going off around the town at all hours and people just ignored it, much like the post Vox/Roosh shared above.

I think in comparison to the post about Yugoslavia, the white leftists are going to act like NPC's. They're the ones who are going to suffer the most, unless they swallow their pride, repent, and get behind one of the Americans with a private arsenal - but that won't happen until after they've personally experienced the consequences.

I think this is not as bad as we think, physiognomy is a pretty reliable indicator of where people stand on things even within the race itself. And just because we are fractured now doesn't mean that when the shit hits the fan the fracturing becomes greater, it could also be the thing we have been missing this entire time. A real purpose and reason to band together.

Humans are designed to perform under pressure, I hope that a surprising amount of people will regain some strength when the survival pressures ramp up. In the absence of real danger its logical that people are lacking a spine. Pressure creates strength by necessity its something inherent in us for thousands of years. The elite want us to believe they can destroy a people and reshape entire races in 100 or 50 years because its convenient for them if you believe that's true.

I never had a close bond with my brother but if he receives any attack from outside our family I know from experience just cant help myself to immediately jump to his side and punish the attacker. The blood bond is real and you may think its not there only because there has not been the right stimulus to trigger it. This may or may not be the case. We just don't know yet, history will tell.

We can't predict the future, the elite can't predict the future. We just have good estimates. Anything can happen. Like you said until it gets real and people are confronted with it personally we don't actually know how they will react.
 
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Easy_C

Peacock
It also reeks of stupidity (or collusion) how some of those on the Right are out waxing poetic about the Taliban. I assume the members on this forum doing so have just been caught up in that meme but I would suggest stopping immediately.

To put it in blunt terms: they're raving about how a group of people who engage in recreational buttsecks are "based". It's stupid. While they absolutely do need to be respected as an adversary for their tenacity, fearlessness, and trickery that does not mean they need to respected morally or as an organization.

Emphasis on "as an adversary". It means you respect what your enemy is capable of, not that you respect them personally.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Kingfisher
Gold Member
To put it in blunt terms: they're raving about how a group of people who engage in recreational buttsecks are "based". It's stupid. While they absolutely do need to be respected as an adversary for their tenacity, fearlessness, and trickery that does not mean they need to respected morally or as an organization.

Emphasis on "as an adversary". It means you respect what your enemy is capable of, not that you respect them personally.

It's "enemy of my enemy" thinking. Same thing you frequently see on here regarding the CCP.
 

Thomas More

Hummingbird
An inlaw of mine reports there is a protest over Afghanistan happening right now in Chicago. I didn't have the opportunity to ask more questions because she was leaving to run errands, but I can't help wondering who is protesting what?

Chicago is very liberal. Are the few Republicans out protesting the Biden administration? Are Democrats protesting their own party's president? Is this astroturf arranged by global banking interests? It's a very weird time now. It seems like this Afghanistan situation has pulled the rug out from under the whole social and political order, in the US and world wide.
 
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