The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

To put it in blunt terms: they're raving about how a group of people who engage in recreational buttsecks are "based". It's stupid. While they absolutely do need to be respected as an adversary for their tenacity, fearlessness, and trickery that does not mean they need to respected morally or as an organization.

Emphasis on "as an adversary". It means you respect what your enemy is capable of, not that you respect them personally.

From the reports I have seen the Taliban put an end to the Bacha Bazi during their reign, just like they burned down the poppy seed fields and stop production of poppy seeds. And all of this returned once they were run out of power.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
That is incorrect. Same with "burned down the poppy seed fields".

They officially claimed to do the former but as far as I heard the practice was still prevalent among Taliban-affiliated groups (keep in mind they're a coalition of tribal militias, NOT a centralized western style Army). They also fairly quickly realized how much money they were missing out on from Opium and actively skimmed off the profits from Opium by officially forbidding it, but then looking the other way when they got their cut.

One significant difference is that the Government officials were stupid in regards to the former practice. We had an incident in our own AO where a checkpoint commander was gotten rid of because he did it to the wrong family's boy.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Kingfisher
Gold Member
That is incorrect. Same with "burned down the poppy seed fields".

They officially claimed to do the former but as far as I heard the practice was still prevalent among Taliban-affiliated groups (keep in mind they're a coalition of tribal militias, NOT a centralized western style Army). They also fairly quickly realized how much money they were missing out on from Opium and actively skimmed off the profits from Opium by officially forbidding it, but then looking the other way when they got their cut.

One significant difference is that the Government officials were stupid in regards to the former practice. We had an incident in our own AO where a checkpoint commander was gotten rid of because he did it to the wrong family's boy.

There was another incident where an SF team leader and team sergeant were disciplined by the Army (can't remember if they were actually court martialed or "just" fired) for beating the crap out of an ANA or ANP commander they had been working with for raping a young boy whose parents later complained to the Americans.
 
Case in point.


One such white nationalist is Nick Fuentes, a 23-year-old vlogger and antisemite who cheered on the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol and has an ally in Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona. Seemingly praising the Taliban as “a conservative, religious force,” Fuentes told his 42,000 subscribers on Telegram on Monday, “The defeat of the US government in Afghanistan is unequivocally a positive development.”
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Which is making it out to be more than it is. Part of this is, in spite of everything, cathartic because this is the "emperor has no clothes" moment where the "smart and serious" people are revealed to be the liars, grifters, and incompetents they are.
 

magaman

Woodpecker
I've been saying it: here conservatives are like 'mandates MIGHT be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!11!!1!1" Like, no bro, you should be talking about leaving the union...like yesterday. It's insane we're at the all-your-stuff-thrown-in-the-front-yard point and they don't get it.
We should be and I feel like a lot of regular people probably agree but how do we go about it? We know we can't vote for it and attempting to hot-shot it would just lead to us to being pummeled by the military/deep state/UN forces etc.. We have no backing at all, unlike when the colonies finally broke away from Britain. The colonies were self sustaining and they were, for the most part, all on the same page. Definitely not the case in the USA today, everyone and everything is atomized, divided and all institutions are against us. I don't know what governor would even have the testicles to even think about a secession right now, I'm pretty sure none of them do.
 

gat

Sparrow
We should be and I feel like a lot of regular people probably agree but how do we go about it? We know we can't vote for it and attempting to hot-shot it would just lead to us to being pummeled by the military/deep state/UN forces etc.. We have no backing at all, unlike when the colonies finally broke away from Britain. The colonies were self sustaining and they were, for the most part, all on the same page. Definitely not the case in the USA today, everyone and everything is atomized, divided and all institutions are against us. I don't know what governor would even have the testicles to even think about a secession right now, I'm pretty sure none of them do.
Colonies were once in a thosuand blue moons situation and it created the greatest civilization since Greece.

Things will devolve. Smaller 'sovereigns' will form inside states. They will have their own culture and tools for communicating - this forum and Gab are early precursors. Then they will start using new money (amalgam of cryptos). Then they will stop paying Federal yearly income dues and instead pay for local protection.

It will be like medieval times. The state (Rome at the time) will slowly collapse under its incompetence, misguided goals (lgbt++++1000), and debt. The collapse will be like a taco bell bag. Slow and smelly.
 

gat

Sparrow
Colonies were once in a thosuand blue moons situation and it created the greatest civilization since Greece.

Things will devolve. Smaller 'sovereigns' will form inside states. They will have their own culture and tools for communicating - this forum and Gab are early precursors. Then they will start using new money (amalgam of cryptos). Then they will stop paying Federal yearly income dues and instead pay for local protection.

It will be like medieval times. The state (Rome at the time) will slowly collapse under its incompetence, misguided goals (lgbt++++1000), and debt. The collapse will be like a taco bell bag. Slow and smelly.
I hope I am not breaking a rule reposting/replying to my own reply, but I think it is important.

We have spent months (over a year now) coming to terms with how messed up everything is. We are ahead of the curve thanks to intelligent men on this forum. The opportunity for harvest is coming. Maybe it will not be us. Maybe it will be our children. But the opportunity has never been more ripe to begin building new institutions of men. These things will start small - meeting for beers once a month - but they will grow large if you can attach a financial element to it.

DM me if interested in discussing further. I hope to drop a datasheet on the non profit space soon and what legal opportunities are there for men of our drive - a lot.
 
Colonies were once in a thosuand blue moons situation and it created the greatest civilization since Greece.

Things will devolve. Smaller 'sovereigns' will form inside states. They will have their own culture and tools for communicating - this forum and Gab are early precursors. Then they will start using new money (amalgam of cryptos). Then they will stop paying Federal yearly income dues and instead pay for local protection.

It will be like medieval times. The state (Rome at the time) will slowly collapse under its incompetence, misguided goals (lgbt++++1000), and debt. The collapse will be like a taco bell bag. Slow and smelly.
I agree.

Globalism is dead in the water, looking at it from a long term perspective at least. The current cultural globohomo tide will get worse before it fades out/gets countered. The leap towards authoritarianism/plutocracy/oligarchy will get much worse without much successful pushback. From a historic perspective it was an anomaly anyway.
 

The Penitent Man

Kingfisher
I've been saying it: here conservatives are like 'mandates MIGHT be UNCONSTITUTIONAL!11!!1!1" Like, no bro, you should be talking about leaving the union...like yesterday. It's insane we're at the all-your-stuff-thrown-in-the-front-yard point and they don't get it.
Who is going to let you secede? Where are the proposed borders? Is there a coalition of geographically contiguous states that are going to do this? Do they have an army?
 

Easy_C

Peacock
Strongly disagree with "there is never going to be a war and it is impossible." It will happen but not NOW. What will happen first is that the regime is going to instigate a war with Russia and/or China. Once that happens and the security state has exhausted itself in that conflict then the window will be open.

Historically revolutions and civil wars tend to follow major international Wars. America's revolutionary war followed the war with the French and Natives. France's followed the American revolution. Rome's followed several long, brutal campaigns against Germanic tribes. In Russia the revolution occurred after the existing monarchy was crippled by periods of extended incompetent rule and World War 1. China's revolution only gained the upper hand after the existing government bore the brunt of the Japanese invasion.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
Strongly disagree with "there is never going to be a war and it is impossible." It will happen but not NOW. What will happen first is that the regime is going to instigate a war with Russia and/or China. Once that happens and the security state has exhausted itself in that conflict then the window will be open.

Historically revolutions and civil wars tend to follow major international Wars. America's revolutionary war followed the war with the French and Natives. France's followed the American revolution. Rome's followed several long, brutal campaigns against Germanic tribes. In Russia the revolution occurred after the existing monarchy was crippled by periods of extended incompetent rule and World War 1. China's revolution only gained the upper hand after the existing government bore the brunt of the Japanese invasion.
The problem is that the demographic groups in the city structures where a majority of the populous is DO NOT disagree with the Totalitarian agenda.

We aren't going to be having confederations of states aligning in the way many would like. The South, while rurally is very conservative, still has major corporate influence in its major cities and are non-homogenous. ( I'm thinking Atlanta, Dallas, Austin, Houston, San Antonio just to name a few)

So the question would be "what do we unite around?" and "who would be our leadership?"

Are the likes of Abbot and DeSantis going to be our leadership. HECK NO, they are all bought and sold just like every other politician in our current milieu of israel lobby semi-conservative governors.

I suppose your idea that a war MIGHT occur at some point, but the condition sets are non-existant right now for this, and I cant see how our side would benefit from it.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
The problem is that the demographic groups in the city structures where a majority of the populous is DO NOT disagree with the Totalitarian agenda.
So?

I’m not even talking about “who would they side with?”

Im talking about how they’ll be killing and looting each other the moment the grid gets taken down. This is NOT purely a hypothetical. It happened last year during the rights as Midde Eastern and Hispanic neighborhoods were patrolling their stores and neighborhoods armed while attack any black person who tried to come in.

At least in the context of what would happen during a war with Russia or China. Either entity has the capability to create a two front war in our major cities by exploiting the aged infrastructure and will likely do so.

And as far as them not disagreeing, keep in mind that societal structures tend to shift dramatically during and after major wars. You’re making the mistake of looking at things strictly through the existing status quo when my message is “Don’t look at the exits status quo; it is going to be significantly shaken up by the time the big war ends”.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
So?

I’m not even talking about “who would they side with?”

Im talking about how they’ll be killing and looting each other the moment the grid gets taken down. This is NOT purely a hypothetical. It happened last year during the rights as Midde Eastern and Hispanic neighborhoods were patrolling their stores and neighborhoods armed while attack any black person who tried to come in.

At least in the context of what would happen during a war with Russia or China. Either entity has the capability to create a two front war in our major cities by exploiting the aged infrastructure and will likely do so.

And as far as them not disagreeing, keep in mind that societal structures tend to shift dramatically during and after major wars. You’re making the mistake of looking at things strictly through the existing status quo when my message is “Don’t look at the exits status quo; it is going to be significantly shaken up by the time the big war ends”.
Fair enough. Point noted on the status quo argument. My point is simply most people proposing the civil war issue are assuming that very lense as the construct for this civil war.

On a purely hypothetical basis then what do you think the breakdown is going to be? Or are you just suggesting that it is possible? I don't see myself aligning with your average ghetto rat to fight the system... So along what lines? Maybe Vaccine oppression? Possibly

I wouldn't consider mass looting and rioting the same as a civil war.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Gold Member
Strongly disagree with "there is never going to be a war and it is impossible." It will happen but not NOW. What will happen first is that the regime is going to instigate a war with Russia and/or China. Once that happens and the security state has exhausted itself in that conflict then the window will be open.

Historically revolutions and civil wars tend to follow major international Wars. America's revolutionary war followed the war with the French and Natives. France's followed the American revolution. Rome's followed several long, brutal campaigns against Germanic tribes. In Russia the revolution occurred after the existing monarchy was crippled by periods of extended incompetent rule and World War 1. China's revolution only gained the upper hand after the existing government bore the brunt of the Japanese invasion.
The revolutionary war was a proxy war between France and England. It's lost to history now, but i'm willing to bet that the French helped instigate anti-British sentiment through periodicals (french fake news) and of course the infamous Boston Tea Party (sounds a lot like the Jan 6th capital riot too).
I bet if the English had GCHQ and smartphones, they would have arrested and jailed all of the Boston Tea Partiers and claimed, "French Fake News" as causing the disruption of peace in the colonies.

After England was defeated, the English returned the favor by overthrowing the French Crown. Ultimately, the English got their comeuppance when Napoleon kicked their rear ends.

I also believe that the Chinese deliberately released the virus to destabilize the west and are also letting their own version of Lehman (Evergrande) collapse to destroy the American led financial system.

It's a bold move, sacrificing your Queen and Bishop to get closer to the King, but a risky one. It reminds me of how the Kaiser let Stalin pass through on his way to Russia to ultimately overthrew the Czar. Then Stalin returned the favor a few years later by overthrowing the Kaiser.

History a rhymin'
 
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