The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

[Thomas More]

The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.

 

[magaman]

The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.

That's exactly what was on my mind and what I was getting at too. In school we learn about the official narrative (sort of) or rather one side of it and if we are lucky and "wake up", then we learn the real story.

 

[Easy_C]

Mostly Masonic/Luciferian ideas of individualism.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

 

[MichaelWitcoff]

The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.

None of the Revolution’s intellectual founders was Christian. They were Epicurean deists.

 

[Wutang]

There was a wide range of religious opinions among the Founding Fathers and the people affiliated with them. Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine were particularly hostile towards religion with Paine sounding like a proto-Richard Dawkins though Paine wasn't an atheist. Then on the other end you had guys like Patrick Henry who the Anglican/Episcopal Church to be the state religion of Virginia and Benjamin Rush who wanted the state to provide a Bible for every student in school.

That said, it is true that all of them were children of the Enlightenment and all of them would have opposed anything that resembled the traditionalist Catholic/Orthodox kingdoms that were common in the pre-Enlightenment western world. The reason a lot of American conservatives tend to express a lot of liberal sounding ideas is because going back to the "good ol' days" in America and looking to the Founding Fathers means going back to classical liberal ideas. That's why you hear them always talking about freedom and rebelling against tyrants which is something you wouldn't hear a traditionalist or fascist or neo-reactionary saying (Note: I am not using "fascist" or "neo-reactionary" in a derogatory sense in this post but only as an identifier.

 

[Towgunner]

We're on an unsustainable path as a civilization and society. Pick any dimension or metric...its unsustainable. Monetary policy is unsustainable. Relations between men and women are also unsustainable. Clown world is unsustainable. And so on.

This is all coming to a head. Civil war is on the horizon. The cold civil war is already here. By definition the left and right are irrevocable. Technically that is a state of war.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

Charles Kirk has followed Tucker in saying the great replacement is real.

I'm generally noticing the conservative mainstream is moving into more of the position that the Trump base has opened up.

The Orange Man was on with Glenn Beck the other day. I don't trust Beck, but at the end he said, "*** I miss that guy." Glenn is also doing some good coverage of The Great Reset and ESG, which I am not seeing elsewhere. ESG is encoding Maoism and the climate change fraud into the fabric of society. So you can't live a normal life without submitting to your own utter destruction.



I think this shows the value of people like Torba and Fuentes, who will not give in, will not flinch at liberal fits and threats.

The left has slowly chipped away at the right to the point it essentially does not exist in institutions. Centrists and liberals either didn't notice or didn't care to notice. But now it has got to the point the sometimes quite left wing, but certainly centre-left people are getting mobbed. They turn round to look for support only to find they supported or stood by during it's removal from society. Into this giant void a few people have emerged, like Torba, to weather the storm and not change their position. Their position is supported without the permission of the left. I believe this momentum will increase as more and more people start to feel comfortable in saying what they really think; or even admitting what they really think to themselves. Even if virtually all of this happens in the parallel society of the American Taliban.

 

[Brebelle3]

Charles Kirk has followed Tucker in saying the great replacement is real.

I'm generally noticing the conservative mainstream is moving into more of the position that the Trump base has opened up.

The Orange Man was on with Glenn Beck the other day. I don't trust Beck, but at the end he said, "*** I miss that guy." Glenn is also doing some good coverage of The Great Reset and ESG, which I am not seeing elsewhere. ESG is encoding Maoism and the climate change fraud into the fabric of society. So you can't live a normal life without submitting to your own utter destruction.



I think this shows the value of people like Torba and Fuentes, who will not give in, will not flinch at liberal fits and threats.

The left has slowly chipped away at the right to the point it essentially does not exist in institutions. Centrists and liberals either didn't notice or didn't care to notice. But now it has got to the point the sometimes quite left wing, but certainly centre-left people are getting mobbed. They turn round to look for support only to find they supported or stood by during it's removal from society. Into this giant void a few people have emerged, like Torba, to weather the storm and not change their position. Their position is supported without the permission of the left. I believe this momentum will increase as more and more people start to feel comfortable in saying what they really think; or even admitting what they really think to themselves. Even if virtually all of this happens in the parallel society of the American Taliban.

Yeah, Fuentes called Kirk out last night on his show by basically saying that Kirk was piggybacking off Carlson and reiterating the fact that many have already been sounding the alarm.

Fuentes did say that he was glad that Kirk spoke up simply because he does reach a large group of people.

 

[Easy_C]

One counterpoint: Catholicism is NOT necessarily opposed to rebellion against authority. Not all authority is legitimate authority and it is well within the faith to seek to replace illegitimate authority. Especially authority which Ex-facto abdicates the responsibilities held by a patriarch and goes against the faith.

 

[Tikhon]

A commentator by the name of David Hines recently released a tweetstorm that showed how Civil War 2 could happen, and why the right is not positioned as well as the left to win it. I highly recommend you read it:

https://storify.com/sphenoid/days-of-rage-pt-5-finale-what-does-it-portend

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[El Draque]

The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.

Even a staunch normie podcast like The Rest Is History podcast talked about how rife Masons were within the Enlightment.

Well worth a listen in itself, but dont expect any red pills.

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[SpaceShredder]

Even a staunch normie podcast like The Rest Is History podcast talked about how rife Masons were within the Enlightment.

Well worth a listen in itself, but dont expect any red pills.

86. The Enlightenment – The Rest Is History – Podcast

Once there was darkness and then there was light. What was the Enlightenment and why did it matter? Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook explore the Enlightenment and its path towards reason, science, re... – Listen to 86. The Enlightenment by The Rest Is History instantly on your tablet, phone or...

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The Enlightenment laid the groundwork for marxism. It was a Trojan horse.

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

Invidious - https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=ahDqbulTOQo

 

[Coja Petrus Uscan]

 

[Renzy]

It's behind a paywall, but the Financial Times recently published an article reviewing a series of recent books that speculate on the possibility of a second civil war in America:

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Is America heading for civil war?
A clutch of books makes an alarmingly persuasive case that the warning lights are flashing redder than at any point since 1861

Edward Luce MAY 31 2022

...a clutch of recent books make an alarmingly persuasive case that the warning lights are flashing redder than at any point since 1861. The French philosopher Voltaire once said: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” As the University of California’s Barbara Walter shows in her bracing manual, How Civil Wars Start, US democracy today is checking all the wrong boxes.

Even before Trump triumphed in the 2016 presidential election, political analysts were warning about the erosion of democracy and drift towards autocracy. The paralysing divisions caused by Trump’s failed putsch of January 6, 2021, have sent it into dangerous new territory. Polls show that most Republicans believe, without evidence, that the election was stolen by Democrats backed by the so-called “deep state”, the Chinese government, rigged Venezuelan voting machines, or a feverish combination thereof.

Unsurprisingly, the article is very one-sided in the sense that the author conveys the risk of civil war as being entirely the fault of conservatives, invoking the specter of white nationalists awash in conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election.

While he's quick to mention Jan 6 as a proof of how dangerous the Right is, there's no mention of the nationwide BLM/antifa riots or the way Leftists showed up protesting in front of Supreme Court justices' homes after the Roe v Wade leak.

It's illuminating to see how much trouble the Left has understanding conservatives - they seem to pathologize any disagreement with any of their policies (it must be the result of bigotry!) and either ignore or justify violence from their side of the aisle.

In 2022, America’s two parties are increasingly sorted along racial and identity lines. Republicans are white, small town and rural — the party now holds just one truly urban congressional district in New York’s Staten Island. Democrats are now almost entirely urban and multi-ethnic. The habits of a normal democracy in which the losing party forms a loyal opposition are vanishing.

More than a third of Republicans and Democrats today believe violence is justified to achieve their political ends, compared with less than a tenth apiece in 2017, the year Trump took office. His rhetoric opened the floodgates to separatist feelings. His rhetoric opened the floodgates to separatist feelings. When one party loses, its voters feel as though their America is being occupied by a foreign power.

The article then goes on to speculate how a civil war might play out in America.

How would a 21st century US civil war actually happen? Nothing like the first time. Unlike the 1860s, when America was neatly split between the slave-owning confederates and the north, today’s separatist geography is marbled. Unlike then, America’s armed forces today cannot be outgunned. Even in a country that, uniquely, has more privately owned guns than people (at more than 400mn), many of which are military-grade, it would be no contest. Yet America, of all countries, knows that asymmetric warfare is unwinnable. Think of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Think, also, of how America was born — its revolutionary army lost almost every encounter with Britain’s vastly better equipped redcoats. Yet, with the help of the French, America’s guerrilla forces prevailed. Now substitute today’s federal army for the redcoats. Armies have a terrible record of pacifying restive populations. Every casualty breeds 10 more rebels.

“They will slip in and out of the shadows, communicating on message boards and encrypted networks,” writes Walter. “They will meet in small groups in vacuum-repair shops along retail strips. In desert clearings along Arizona’s border, in public parks in southern California, or in the snowy woods of Michigan, where they will train to fight.”

 

[Gimlet]

The Economist depicted a US flag torn in half on the "The World in 2021" cover. As we know the annual cover details what they are attempting to engineer.

 

[Trewolla]

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.

Indentured servitude--which led to slavery--which in turn resulted in a massive population of Sub Saharan Africans being brought into the country.

--which gave the federal government an excuse to conquer the south and assume powers never allocated to the federal government.

Americans have been living the results of that chain of events ever since. Fortunately, America is nearing the end of the mess which resulted from that poison pill. Joseph Sobran wrote an interesting essay about it before he died.

How Tyranny Came to America (aka God, Man, and Law)

 

[Cynllo]

 

[Cynllo]