The path to Civil War 2 (USA)

Thomas More

Hummingbird
The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.
 

magaman

Woodpecker
The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.
That's exactly what was on my mind and what I was getting at too. In school we learn about the official narrative (sort of) or rather one side of it and if we are lucky and "wake up", then we learn the real story.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
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MichaelWitcoff

Hummingbird
Orthodox
The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.
None of the Revolution’s intellectual founders was Christian. They were Epicurean deists.
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
There was a wide range of religious opinions among the Founding Fathers and the people affiliated with them. Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine were particularly hostile towards religion with Paine sounding like a proto-Richard Dawkins though Paine wasn't an atheist. Then on the other end you had guys like Patrick Henry who the Anglican/Episcopal Church to be the state religion of Virginia and Benjamin Rush who wanted the state to provide a Bible for every student in school.

That said, it is true that all of them were children of the Enlightenment and all of them would have opposed anything that resembled the traditionalist Catholic/Orthodox kingdoms that were common in the pre-Enlightenment western world. The reason a lot of American conservatives tend to express a lot of liberal sounding ideas is because going back to the "good ol' days" in America and looking to the Founding Fathers means going back to classical liberal ideas. That's why you hear them always talking about freedom and rebelling against tyrants which is something you wouldn't hear a traditionalist or fascist or neo-reactionary saying (Note: I am not using "fascist" or "neo-reactionary" in a derogatory sense in this post but only as an identifier.
 
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Towgunner

Kingfisher
We're on an unsustainable path as a civilization and society. Pick any dimension or metric...its unsustainable. Monetary policy is unsustainable. Relations between men and women are also unsustainable. Clown world is unsustainable. And so on.

This is all coming to a head. Civil war is on the horizon. The cold civil war is already here. By definition the left and right are irrevocable. Technically that is a state of war.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Crow
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Charles Kirk has followed Tucker in saying the great replacement is real.

I'm generally noticing the conservative mainstream is moving into more of the position that the Trump base has opened up.

The Orange Man was on with Glenn Beck the other day. I don't trust Beck, but at the end he said, "*** I miss that guy." Glenn is also doing some good coverage of The Great Reset and ESG, which I am not seeing elsewhere. ESG is encoding Maoism and the climate change fraud into the fabric of society. So you can't live a normal life without submitting to your own utter destruction.


I think this shows the value of people like Torba and Fuentes, who will not give in, will not flinch at liberal fits and threats.

The left has slowly chipped away at the right to the point it essentially does not exist in institutions. Centrists and liberals either didn't notice or didn't care to notice. But now it has got to the point the sometimes quite left wing, but certainly centre-left people are getting mobbed. They turn round to look for support only to find they supported or stood by during it's removal from society. Into this giant void a few people have emerged, like Torba, to weather the storm and not change their position. Their position is supported without the permission of the left. I believe this momentum will increase as more and more people start to feel comfortable in saying what they really think; or even admitting what they really think to themselves. Even if virtually all of this happens in the parallel society of the American Taliban.
 
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Brebelle3

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
Charles Kirk has followed Tucker in saying the great replacement is real.

I'm generally noticing the conservative mainstream is moving into more of the position that the Trump base has opened up.

The Orange Man was on with Glenn Beck the other day. I don't trust Beck, but at the end he said, "*** I miss that guy." Glenn is also doing some good coverage of The Great Reset and ESG, which I am not seeing elsewhere. ESG is encoding Maoism and the climate change fraud into the fabric of society. So you can't live a normal life without submitting to your own utter destruction.


I think this shows the value of people like Torba and Fuentes, who will not give in, will not flinch at liberal fits and threats.

The left has slowly chipped away at the right to the point it essentially does not exist in institutions. Centrists and liberals either didn't notice or didn't care to notice. But now it has got to the point the sometimes quite left wing, but certainly centre-left people are getting mobbed. They turn round to look for support only to find they supported or stood by during it's removal from society. Into this giant void a few people have emerged, like Torba, to weather the storm and not change their position. Their position is supported without the permission of the left. I believe this momentum will increase as more and more people start to feel comfortable in saying what they really think; or even admitting what they really think to themselves. Even if virtually all of this happens in the parallel society of the American Taliban.

Yeah, Fuentes called Kirk out last night on his show by basically saying that Kirk was piggybacking off Carlson and reiterating the fact that many have already been sounding the alarm.

Fuentes did say that he was glad that Kirk spoke up simply because he does reach a large group of people.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
One counterpoint: Catholicism is NOT necessarily opposed to rebellion against authority. Not all authority is legitimate authority and it is well within the faith to seek to replace illegitimate authority. Especially authority which Ex-facto abdicates the responsibilities held by a patriarch and goes against the faith.
 

Tikhon

Chicken
Orthodox
A commentator by the name of David Hines recently released a tweetstorm that showed how Civil War 2 could happen, and why the right is not positioned as well as the left to win it. I highly recommend you read it:

https://storify.com/sphenoid/days-of-rage-pt-5-finale-what-does-it-portend
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El Draque

Kingfisher
Orthodox
The thing I see about the American Revolution is that it was an Enlightenment project. Most people consider the Enlightenment as a purely good thing. You have things like the development of the Scientific Method, and some other good things, but many parts of the Enlightenment now appear bad to me. One of the major results of the Enlightenment was to undermine belief in Christianity and God.

The French Revolution is a good example. They overthrew the king, and the Church with it. Unfortunately, the Church in France was very corrupt, and it's no wonder people turned against it, but the Enlightenment gave a philosophical framework to eliminate the Church entirely, instead of reforming it as should have been done.

Knowing that the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were created by a bunch of Enlightenment thinkers makes me wonder what kind of poison pills were planted in the US from the beginning.


Even a staunch normie podcast like The Rest Is History podcast talked about how rife Masons were within the Enlightment.

Well worth a listen in itself, but dont expect any red pills.

 
Even a staunch normie podcast like The Rest Is History podcast talked about how rife Masons were within the Enlightment.

Well worth a listen in itself, but dont expect any red pills.

The Enlightenment laid the groundwork for marxism. It was a Trojan horse.
 
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