The Pope Francis Thread

Do we need a new pope?

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NoMoreTO

Ostrich
Whomever could have guess the media takes statements and heavily edits them to present the narrative they've already decided? If only anyone here had experience in observing this pattern again and again and again...

Perhaps the Pope would do well to have documentaries made by the Roman Catholic Church? These would be under the production and creative control of the Vatican to ensure the content is proper and unambiguous.

While the media can be blamed, we obviously have some sensitivities on certain hot button social issues of the day. Rather than allow people to be scandalized by secular or jewish media, and present ambiguity, it would be best for all involved if the message was managed and precise.

Lets take a look at the director, and his intent, both of which are public:
Evgeny Afineevsky (born October 21, 1972) is a Russian-born Israeli-American film director, producer and cinematographer who lives in the United States.
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Afineevsky, largely supportive of Bergoglio as a personality and contrasting his leadership to Donald Trump (who Afineevsky opposes), released the documentary in the lead up to the 2020 United States presidential election saying "What I’m trying to do, I’m trying to show to the people what they’re missing
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Afineevsky has previously created a comedy work about homosexuality entitled Oy Vey! My Son Is Gay!!.

Why let a faithless Jew portray the Supreme Pontiff in whatever light he likes? This is akin to the Czar having a Bolshevik do a Documentary on him for distribution to the people.

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The archbishop of Argentina stated "Convivencia" and "civil union" is the same thing in Argentina, where Pope Francis is from...

It never ends, folks. Pope Francis is a master of ambiguity and he cannot give straight, concise answers

For those who cannot speak spanish, run the article in a translator

First paragraph translated by Google, but I can assure you it is correct:

"Archbishop Víctor Manuel Fernández, Archbishop of La Plata (Argentina) and theological advisor to Pope Francis, implied that for the Holy Father the terms "civil coexistence" and "civil union" are the same legal recognition for "very close unions between people of the same sex ”.

I care less about the civil union thing and more about the family thing. To me it's obvious-ish at a glance/skim he meant homosexuals' existing families, rather than them adopting or creating new children.
 

jarlo

Woodpecker
Huh, and once again, it turns out to be hysteria over deliberate manipulation of an interview in the film, where three entire paragraphs are clipped down to three sentences.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...ntary-no-vatican-comment-on-civil-union-88210

Whomever could have guess the media takes statements and heavily edits them to present the narrative they've already decided? If only anyone here had experience in observing this pattern again and again and again...

His points on civil unions here are perfectly logical, because it does not necessarily imply sexual activity.

I'm moving on. God bless.

From the same source (Catholic News Agency): https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...-union-not-mistranslated-in-documentary-95995

Fr. Augustino Torres, CFR, a New York-based priest who works in youth ministry, posted a video on Wednesday saying he believes “the pope was misunderstood, misquoted, misinterpreted.”

In an October 21 post on Instagram, Torres said the original Spanish makes clear that the pope’s comments are not an endorsement of civil unions.

The priest said the phrase that has been translated by the media as “civil union” is actually better translated as “law of civil convivience” or “civil coexistence.”

By using this phrase, Torres said, Pope Francis is talking about some kind of legal protection, which the priest did not specify, but not a homosexual civil union.

But Fernández, Archbishop of La Plata, Argentina, said Wednesday that the pope’s term connotes a civil union as the term is commonly understood.

The archbishop posted on Facebook that before he became pope, then-Cardinal Bergoglio “always recognized that, without calling it ‘marriage,’ in fact there are very close unions between people of the same sex, which do not in themselves imply sexual relations, but a very intense and stable alliance.”

“They know each other thoroughly, they share the same roof for many years, they take care of each other, they sacrifice for each other. Then it may happen that they prefer that in an extreme case or illness they do not consult their relatives, but that person who knows their intentions in depth. And for the same reason they prefer that it be that person who inherits all their assets, etc.”

“This can be contemplated in the law and is called ‘civil union’ [unión civil] or ‘law of civil coexistence’ [ley de convivencia civil], not marriage.”

“What the Pope has said on this subject is what he also maintained when he was the Archbishop of Buenos Aires,” Fernández added.

“For him, the expression ‘marriage’ has a precise meaning and only applies to a stable union between a man and a woman open to communicating life…there is a word, ‘marriage,’ that only applies to that reality. Any other similar union requires another name,” the archbishop explained.

Fernandez said this view reflects the pope’s stance as a bishop in Argentina, when he proposed to brother bishops, during a 2010 debate over gay marriage in the country, that accepting civil unions might be a way to prevent the passage of same-sex marriage laws in the country.

The Vatican has not responded to questions about the documentary, or whether the pope’s comments represent his view on civil unions, but the prefect of the Vatican’s communications office, Paolo Ruffini, has seen the documentary and praised it.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member

The Catholic Faith in the voice of the Magisterium of all times, the sense of the faith of the faithful (sensus fidelium) as well as common sense clearly reject any civil union of two persons of the same sex, a union which has the aim that these persons seek sexual pleasure from each other. Even if persons living in such unions should not engage in mutual sexual pleasure — which in reality has been shown to be quite unrealistic — such unions represent a great scandal, a public recognition of the sins of fornication against nature and a continuous proximate occasion of sin. Those who advocate same-sex civil unions are therefore also culpable of creating a kind of structure of sin, in this case of the juridical structure of habitual fornication against nature, since homosexual acts belong to sins which cry to heaven, as the Catechism of the Catholic Church says (see n. 1867). Those who advocate same-sex civil unions are ultimately unjust and even cruel against those persons who are living in these unions, because these persons will be confirmed in mortal sin, they will be solidified in their interior psychological dichotomy, since their reason tells them, that homosexual acts are against reason and against the explicit will of God, the Creator and Redeemer of men.

Every true Catholic, every true Catholic priest, every true Catholic bishop must with deep sorrow and a weeping heart regret and protest against the unheard fact, that Pope Francis, the Roman Pontiff, the successor of the apostle Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth, uttered in the documentary film “Francesco” that premiered on October 21, 2020, as part of the Rome Film Festival, his support for civil same-sex unions. Such support of the pope means support for a structure of sin, for a lifestyle against the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue, which was written with the fingers of God on stone tables on Sinai (see Ex. 31:18) and delivered by the hands of Angels to men (see Gal. 3:19). What God has written with His hand, even a pope cannot erase nor rewrite with his hand or with his tongue. The Pope cannot behave as if he were God or an incarnation of Jesus Christ, modifying these words of the Lord: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Mt 5:27-28) and instead of this say, more or less, the following: “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’, ‘if a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination’ (Lev. 20:13), ‘men who practice homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God’ (1 Cor. 6:9); ‘the practice of homosexuality is contrary to sound doctrine’ (1 Tim. 1:10). But I say to you that for persons who feel same-sex attraction “we have to create a civil union law. That way they are legally covered”.
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DanielH

Pelican
The answer lies with BXVI invalidly resigning the Papacy. Popes can and have resigned, but by Canon Law, he must totally resign the office--no more white cassock, no apostolic blessings, no more calling yourself Pope.

Furthermore, a resignation made out of substantial error, fear or simony is invalid--per Canon Law. Arguably Benedict resigned out of two of those three conditions: fear, because the Vatican is corrupt as heck and could have attacked him or his (now deceased) brother, and error in the sense that he attempted to create a bifurcated Papacy in the sense that he would remain a "spiritual" pope while someone else does the pope work.

Any conclave that is held while a valid pope is still living is automatically invalid, so by this line of argumentation, Bergoglio is not Pope.

Ann Barnhardt is the main proponent of the "Benedict is Pope" party. For the longest time I didn't care about the who-is-pope situation but after the Pachamama debacle and banning Easter, I had to seriously take another look. But more serious scholars are taking this matter seriously like Dr. Edmund Mazda. Previously, Fr. Nicholas Gruner of the Fatima Center supported it but he has passed away.
Thanks for the concise write up. That's very interesting, I never gave sedevacantists any credence but that makes a lot of sense.
 

kamoz

Kingfisher
Gold Member
This pretty much seals the deal on the pope. The prophecy of Saint Malachy may indeed be proven to be correct. If he is not the False Prophet then he's at least paving the way for him.

Link (but don't give them clicks): https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-george-floyd-protests-coronavirus-book

Pope Francis defends George Floyd protests, blasts demonstrations against coronavirus lockdowns in book
Pope Francis defended the protests against police brutality in the wake of George Floyd’s death as a fight for “human dignity” — while blasting demonstrations against COVID-19 restrictions in a new book that he authored during the Vatican’s lockdown.


In the book “Let Us Dream,” the 83-year-old pontiff addressed the killing of Floyd, a Black man who died after a Minneapolis cop pressed his knee on his neck for several minutes.

“Abuse is a gross violation of human dignity that we cannot allow and which we must continue to struggle against,” he wrote of Floyd and the wave of protests that erupted across the world after his death.
But the pontifex criticized others demonstrating against COVID-19 lockdowns “as if measures that governments must impose for the good of their people constitute some kind of political assault on autonomy or personal freedom!”
“You’ll never find such people protesting the death of George Floyd, or joining a demonstration because there are shantytowns where children lack water or education,” he wrote. “They turned into a cultural battle what was in truth an effort to ensure the protection of life.”
The 150-page book, which was ghostwritten by his English-language biographer Austen Ivereigh, is due out Dec. 1.
Though the pope praised journalists covering how the pandemic impacted the poor, he slammed media organizations that “used this crisis to persuade people that foreigners are to blame, that the coronavirus is little more than a little bout of flu, and that restrictions necessary for people’s protection amount to an unjust demand of an interfering state.”
“There are politicians who peddle these narratives for their own gain. But they could not succeed without some media creating and spreading them,” he wrote.
In the book, Francis said that he could relate to COVID-19 patients fighting for their lives because of his own health ordeal that resulted in part of his lung being removed when he was a student in Buenos Aires 63 years ago.
“I know from experience the feeling of those who are sick with coronavirus, struggling to breathe as they are attached to a ventilator,” he said, adding that health ordeal made him feel as if he was “hanging between life and death.”
“For months I didn’t know who I was, if I would live or die, even the doctors didn’t know. I remember hugging my mother one day and asking her if I was about to die.”

I decided to look into the book. Here's the summary:

In this uplifting and practical book, written in collaboration with his biographer, Austen Ivereigh, the preeminent spiritual leader explains why we must—and how we can—make the world safer, fairer, and healthier for all people now.

In the COVID crisis, the beloved shepherd of over one billion Catholics saw the cruelty and inequity of our society exposed more vividly than ever before. He also saw, in the resilience, generosity, and creativity of so many people, the means to rescue our society, our economy, and our planet. In direct, powerful prose, Pope Francis urges us not to let the pain be in vain.

He begins Let Us Dream by exploring what this crisis can teach us about how to handle upheaval of any kind in our own lives and the world at large. With unprecedented candor, he reveals how three crises in his own life changed him dramatically for the better. By its very nature, he shows, crisis presents us with a choice: we make a grievous error if we try to return to some pre-crisis state. But if we have the courage to change, we can emerge from the crisis better than before.

Francis then offers a brilliant, scathing critique of the systems and ideologies that conspired to produce the current crisis, from a global economy obsessed with profit and heedless of the people and environment it harms, to politicians who foment their people’s fear and use it to increase their own power at their people’s expense. He reminds us that Christians’ first duty is to serve others, especially the poor and the marginalized, just as Jesus did.

Finally, the Pope offers an inspiring and actionable blueprint for building a better world for all humanity by putting the poor and the planet at the heart of new thinking. For this plan, he draws not only on sacred sources, but on the latest findings from renowned scientists, economists, activists, and other thinkers. Yet rather than simply offer prescriptions, he shows how ordinary people acting together despite their differences can discover unforeseen possibilities.

Along the way, he offers dozens of wise and surprising observations on the value of unconventional thinking, on why we must dramatically increase women’s leadership in the Church and throughout society, on what he learned while scouring the streets of Buenos Aires with garbage-pickers, and much more.

Let Us Dream is an epiphany, a call to arms, and a pleasure to read. It is Pope Francis at his most personal, profound and passionate. With this book and with open hearts, we can change the world.

Looks like the Great Reset laid out plain as day. He will clearly spearhead this movement as a spiritual leader.
 
This pretty much seals the deal on the pope. The prophecy of Saint Malachy may indeed be proven to be correct. If he is not the False Prophet then he's at least paving the way for him.

Link (but don't give them clicks): https://www.foxnews.com/world/pope-francis-george-floyd-protests-coronavirus-book



I decided to look into the book. Here's the summary:



Looks like the Great Reset laid out plain as day. He will clearly spearhead this movement as a spiritual leader.
Have you heard the prophecies of the great Pope and Catholic Monarch near the end times? I believe Francis may be the last bad Pope that leads us into a great chastisement, particularly if he lasts for the majority of the 2020s. Out of the darkness shall come a great triumph of the Church.
 

Troller

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budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member

Council for Inclusive Capitalism launches partnership with Vatican​

Vatican City, Dec 9, 2020 / 09:00 am MT (CNA).- The Council for Inclusive Capitalism launched a partnership with the Vatican on Tuesday, saying that it would be “under the moral guidance” of Pope Francis.

The council consists of global companies and organizations which share a mission to “harness the private sector to create a more inclusive, sustainable and trusted economic system,” according to its website.

Members include the Ford Foundation, Johnson & Johnson, Mastercard, Bank of America, the Rockefeller Foundation, and Merck.

According to a press release from the council, the partnership with the Vatican “signifies the urgency of joining moral and market imperatives to reform capitalism into a powerful force for the good of humanity.”

Pope Francis met with members of the organization at the Vatican last year. With the new partnership, the 27 leading members, called “guardians,” will continue to meet annually with Pope Francis and Cardinal Peter Turkson, prefect of the Dicastery for Promoting Integral Human Development.

Francis encouraged the council last year to renew existing economic models to be fair, trustworthy, and capable of extending opportunities to all.

“An inclusive capitalism that leaves no one behind, that discards none of our brothers or sisters, is a noble aspiration,” Pope Francis said Nov. 11, 2019.

Members of the Council for Inclusive Capitalism make public commitments to “advance inclusive capitalism” in their own companies and outside them, through grants promoting various issues, including environmental sustainability and gender equality.

The Vatican partnership puts the group “under the moral guidance” of Pope Francis and Cardinal Turkson, a press release states.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild, founder of the council and managing partner of Inclusive Capital Partners, said “capitalism has created enormous global prosperity, but it has also left too many people behind, led to degradation of our planet, and is not widely trusted in society.”

“This Council will follow the warning from Pope Francis to listen to ‘the cry of the earth and the cry of the poor’ and answer society’s demands for a more equitable and sustainable model of growth.”

On its website, the council sets out the “guiding principles” for its activities.

“We consider that Inclusive Capitalism is fundamentally about creating long-term value for all stakeholders – businesses, investors, employees, customers, governments, communities, and the planet,” it states.

To do this, it continues, members are “guided by an approach” that provides “equality of opportunity for all people ... equitable outcomes for those who have the same opportunities and seize them in the same way; fairness across generations so that one generation does not overburden the planet or realize near-term benefits that incur long-term costs at the cost of future generations; and fairness to those in society whose circumstances prevent them from full participation in the economy.”

The pope warned the business leaders last year that “an economic system detached from ethical concerns” leads to a “throw away” culture of consumption and waste.

“When we recognize the moral dimension of economic life, which is one of the many aspects of Catholic social doctrine that must be integrally respected, we are able to act with fraternal charity, desiring, seeking and protecting the good of others and their integral development,” he explained.

“As my predecessor St. Paul VI reminded us, authentic development cannot be restricted to economic growth alone, but must foster the growth of each person and of the whole person,” Francis said. “This means more than balancing budgets, improving infrastructures or offering a wider variety of consumer goods."

“What is needed is a fundamental renewal of hearts and minds so that the human person may always be placed at the centre of social, cultural and economic life.”




 

budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member

Inclusive Capitalism​

Video description
Nov 9, 2017 - Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild is committed to transforming how society sees business. The key, she says, is to take a more inclusive approach to capitalism. As chairman of the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism, she is campaigning to bring about a change in the nature of business so that it creates broad-based prosperity.The coalition, founded in 2014, was launched in response to the issues raised in the 2008 financial crisis. Its mission is to make capitalism more equitable, sustainable and inclusive through business and investment practices that extend the opportunities and benefits of our economic system to everyone. Lady Lynn believes, like many others, that the financial crisis revealed capitalism's flaws. Not only that, but "its failings," as she wrote for Time magazine in December last year, "are at the root of the social and political dysfunction gripping the world." Wealth has been monopolized by the few, leading to inequality, stagnant wages, and a shrinking middle class. In this Dreamtalk, hear how Inclusive Capitalism will lift up many from poverty and prevent political unrest.

 

budoslavic

Owl
Gold Member

Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican​

Vides description
Dec 7, 2020 - Capitalism lifts people out of poverty and powers global innovation and growth. But to address the challenges of the 21st century, capitalism needs to adapt. Through our commitments, actions and solutions, the Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican will create stronger, fairer, more collaborative economies and societies, ultimately improving the lives of countless millions of people across the globe.


Lynn Forester de Rothschild in conversation with Cardinal Peter Turkson and Allianz's Oliver Bäte​


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