The Pope Francis Thread

Do we need a new pope?

  • YES - like yesterday!

    Votes: 235 90.7%
  • NO - he's alright.

    Votes: 24 9.3%

  • Total voters
    259
  • Poll closed .

ralfy

Robin
We have been seeing a rise in populist politics in many countries because of problems involving globalization, including increasing debt and concentration of wealth among a few, and taking place regardless of what the Vatican or the elite say.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Is there any way for corruption to be purged from the Vatican?

Is there any way for corruption to be purged from education, science or the state?

Supernatural intervention is the only way, just like in every other institution, formal or informal. Yet it's likely to happen in the Church, because it was established by God to serve His purposes - for the others, well, no saving grace as they were established by men to serve theirs.
 

Glaucon

Ostrich
Gold Member
As bad as thing looks now for the Catholic church, I remember from history when we had two popes for decades... there is always trouble in theVatican.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
As bad as thing looks now for the Catholic church, I remember from history when we had two popes for decades... there is always trouble in theVatican.

It seems a particularly confusing time.

Regarding the Two Popes, it was determined later that there was only one and the other was an Anti Pope. I think there were actually 3 at one point.

One thing I find beautiful is that there were Saints who lived under these anti popes.
 

Glaucon

Ostrich
Gold Member
It seems a particularly confusing time.

Regarding the Two Popes, it was determined later that there was only one and the other was an Anti Pope. I think there were actually 3 at one point.

One thing I find beautiful is that there were Saints who lived under these anti popes.
We can only hope, that it might be confusing to us, God is paving the way for the future of the Church with this.
 

Augustus_Principe

Woodpecker
Is there any way for corruption to be purged from the Vatican?

A return to tradition.
A return to making God our #1 priority.
Breaking away from the chains of Sin
Actually following the 10 Commandments and Precepts of the church.
Reversing the changes made after Vatican II

Unfortunately the vast majority of Catholics are in name only. From those, you have the majority going to Novus Ordo churches, which are most likely LIBERAL. Then, you have the tiniest minority of those who go to Traditional Catholic parishes.

I'm not saying everyone who goes to the TLM is a saint and that there are no sinners in said Traditional Churches, but there is a clear difference when you see the people who go to the TLM vs those who attend the NO.

This will take generations. The good news is families in TLM parishes are having vast amounts of children, while NO parishes are attended by geriatrics. There is no future in the NO, it will organically die off. We will be blessed to see some positive changes in our lifetime, but we have to remember that Heresies usually last decades, if not hundreds of years. This Modernist Heresy will take a long time to eradicate, but I am positive it will be defeated eventually.
 
A return to tradition.
A return to making God our #1 priority.
Breaking away from the chains of Sin
Actually following the 10 Commandments and Precepts of the church.
Reversing the changes made after Vatican II

Unfortunately the vast majority of Catholics are in name only. From those, you have the majority going to Novus Ordo churches, which are most likely LIBERAL. Then, you have the tiniest minority of those who go to Traditional Catholic parishes.

I'm not saying everyone who goes to the TLM is a saint and that there are no sinners in said Traditional Churches, but there is a clear difference when you see the people who go to the TLM vs those who attend the NO.

This will take generations. The good news is families in TLM parishes are having vast amounts of children, while NO parishes are attended by geriatrics. There is no future in the NO, it will organically die off. We will be blessed to see some positive changes in our lifetime, but we have to remember that Heresies usually last decades, if not hundreds of years. This Modernist Heresy will take a long time to eradicate, but I am positive it will be defeated eventually.
Novus Ordo parishes are seas of grey even now. In 10 years they will be almost finished. Traditional parishes are flourishing world wide. The modernists know this and they are panicking.
 

LeoniusD

Pelican
Pope Francis greenlit the new Nativity scene in the Vatican:


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The word that comes to mind is Satanic - it leaves many Christians befuddled as they see it. Even if you wanted to go modern - there are a myriad of beautiful ways of doing it - out of ice, glass, transclucent plastic, 3D-light-projection etc.

Nah - let's show them what we truly are - make it look like a black mass.

 

Troller

Pelican
 
"If that weren't obvious to you, you haven't studied history..."

Nice try, pal - but that type of manipulation doesn't work well on me. What I am referring to is the Church Of Rome. Clearly there have always been detractors and that's fine - they are free to go and start their own religions. I don't care about any of them and neither do I care about the myriads of misguided sects (Islam included) worshipped outside of Rome.

The pope represents the COR and although there have been many many corrupt, misguided, even evil people serving as the Bishop Of Rome over the past two millenniums, NONE of them would have ever dared to cross the lines that Francis has been jumping over since his election. It's a travesty and it will destroy the roman catholic church.
He is truly a LIBERAL Pope. Looks like the prophecies concerning The Last Pope is being fulfilled.
 
I don't think that Roman Catholic Church in particular and Christianity in general is failing because of some subversion by Jews or Illuminati or anything. I belive this religion is breaking down because it simply has lived it's natural lifespan like every imperfect religion, idea or movement does. There might have been some subversions, but it's just like an old human body that dies from sickness it could easily resist in youth, because it's immune system has simply bacame too old and impotent to resist the attacks and perhaps even has developed and autoimmune reaction over time.

As someone who was raised as a Catholic from childhood, and has seen the inside from a very analytical and red pill perspective I can see that while it does promote some strong ideas which are very much in accord with natural law, the very fabric of RCC and Christian teachings is imperfect and also contain some beliefs that are contrary to natural law and therefore are destined to be destroyed, because in the end - nature always wins.

For example:

It is actually a great misconception that Christianity promotes a patriarchal nuclear family. The truth is that Christianity promotes a cuckold type of relationship. Take a look at the image of the Holy family in christianity, which is meant to be an example and inspire all christians:


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Do you see a strong alpha father with a loving wife and a rich set of small children that are clearly his and are all happy to learn from their parents how to be masculine boys and femine girls just like their parents?

No - what you see is a sexless couple who are having just one child who is being put in the center and is teaching and bossing his parents around rather then learning from them. The husband is beta, sexless and has non-threatening female like posture, while his wife is preoccupied with her only precious child who is concieved from an absent alpha super-breeder who is so happy that puny mortals do the dirty work of rising his brat for him.

This concept was actually very useful in middle ages and surely helped many noble sires to hide their bastard children into peasant families for some extra acqres of land. Why would the farmer refuse the lord to whom God has given his position to visit his wife a few times a year when he got some extra bonuses for that and after all the venerated St. Joseph did the same? So he bites his lip, avoids eye contact with his wife and enjoys the prestige his material wealth gives him over other poor peasants, while he curses himself and his Lord at night and then attones for that cursing on Sunday's confession telling priest all the dirty little secrets, crimes and tought crimes?

In other words Christianity is a slave religion for subjugating lower class men before the feudal lords. Christianity is a prototype for modern feminism. This is especialy true for Catholicism with it's veneration (actually worship altrough they deny it) of Virgin Mary. This is more milder form, but not so different from how modern feminism is used to enslave men to government trough women.

Not to mention Christianity has this huge backdoor of Israel being the chosen nation to use for jews to hack this religion, installed from the very beginning.

The truth is that our ideas about natural, nuclear and patriarchal family are older than christianity and come from our European pagan heritage, like many other things that we attribute to christianity today, while Holywood is making us think that Vikings and other pagans practiced devils threesomes in their "Historical shows" which are just another piece of a very rotten ropaganda.

Christianity has many other things that are against natural law - celibacy for healthy men and disconnection from living according to nature are among them.

I recommend that we stop feeling this false nostalgia for Christianity espacially since we are not real Christians. We are masculine men who bed meny women and break many Christian laws. We have the spirit of ancient tribal patriarchs who lived according to the true natural laws, created by the true God who reaveals himself trough these laws, not trough dogmas created by sexless man in dresses.

Christianity will fall and either Islam will dominate the world or we we reinvent our European national tribal morals that hold the ideas of maritial fidelity, chastity, patriarchy, masculinity and virtue much better then Christianity ever did.
All Christians please pray for this misguided soul. All that is happening is following our Lords plan. Most of the Christians on this format imo cannot see that we are on the cusp of Christs second coming. Open your heart so you may also see. I am paraphrasing, As these things are starting to come true, lift up your eyes your redemption is close at hand.
 

MRAll134

Kingfisher
All Christians please pray for this misguided soul. All that is happening is following our Lords plan. Most of the Christians on this format imo cannot see that we are on the cusp of Christs second coming. Open your heart so you may also see. I am paraphrasing, As these things are starting to come true, lift up your eyes your redemption is close at hand.
I think you mean forum, from: "format" Also, if you are going to write-off everyone on this forum, maybe you will want to start your own forum or join a forum somewhere else?

Also, "Christs" is genitive, or possessive, so you will want an apostrophe in there.
 

Cervantes

Woodpecker
I see this poll above "do we need a new Pope" and most people voting yes. This is wrong.

God doesn't send us the Pope we want - He sends us the Pope we deserve.

A thought experiment: Suppose God answered your prayer removed Pope Francis somehow. What then? Do you think we would get a better Pope? We would probably get an even worse Pope - and younger also.

Work to make the Church more faithful at your level. Work on your own personal holiness. As traditional parishes and traditional orders get larger they become more powerful within the Church.

Pray that we make enough progress restoring the Church in the short years ahead, and pray Pope Francis live a long time lest God send us another bad Pope.
 

Troller

Pelican
Pope Francis greenlit the new Nativity scene in the Vatican:


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The word that comes to mind is Satanic - it leaves many Christians befuddled as they see it. Even if you wanted to go modern - there are a myriad of beautiful ways of doing it - out of ice, glass, transclucent plastic, 3D-light-projection etc.

Nah - let's show them what we truly are - make it look like a black mass.

 
When Francis came in, he was a beautiful model of Christian virtue, particularly in taking care of the poor. However, his ineptitude at handling global affairs is probably because of his background. He's from Argentina, for Peter's sake (pun), which isn't known for creating renown world leaders. Argentina is a mess.

Have you guys heard of the vision of Pope Leo XIII of Satan? The late Pope is said to have overheard a conversation between God and Satan in 1884, in which Satan said he could destroy God's church if he had 100 years and more control over the people who would give themselves to his (Satan's) service and God granted him the time. Then, according to the apparitions at Fatima, the Blessed Virgin said that if Russia wasn't consecrated to the sacred heart of Mary by the bishops, it would spread its errors (namely, communism, etc.) throughout the world. Well, the bishops failed the job, Russia became commy, and communism spread all over the world. America was spared for awhile by J.E. Hoover's FBI, so the commies went underground and called themselves socialist. They ended up infiltrating the schools and raising a generation of people who believed those lies.

Yes, I know I'm not supposed to talk about politics being new to the forum, but I'm just telling history, I'm not here to start a debate.

Satan's plan included more than communism. His primary goal was to disfigure the face of Christ in society. The face of Christ is men. By making men the opposite of what they should be (strong, courageous, health fathers, faithful husbands, disciplinarians), Satan would disfigure the face of Christ in society. Now look at culture: The radical feminism makes anyone who supports men to be "misogynist". I got tired of the media and discovered the manosphere which is what led me to Roosh's Return of Kings and then here. Thanks, Roosh!

The point is, we are currently riding in the aftermath of Satan's 100 years. Now, the question is, are we still under this 100 year spell or has it ended? The people under Satan's power are still under his power. Not to point fingers, but alot of Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers are the worst. Millenials have become morally relativistic and overly tolerant. I'm generalizing in both cases, forgive me.

Naturally, if the world has undergone this 100 year influence of Satan, then even if Satan's dominion has ended, there's still alot of cleaning up to do. Society (and the Catholic church for that matter) is like a large ship: it takes a long time to turn around. The church isn't somehow exempt from cultural problems.

Is God still in control? Yes. But things have to get worse before they get better. You don't realize a good thing until it's gone. The pope is going to stick his foot in his mouth and the church is going to continue to decline, but I'm optimistic. I think society is going to go through great pain and eventually go back to the cruddy pagan ancient ways it had before Christianity, and then a new slate will be available for Christians, and then morality will finally seem like a good idea because finally the world will recognize that morality comes from religions like Christianity. Secular "humanitarianism" will have died. Unfortunately, it's not fun to be on this side of society's decline.
 

NoMoreTO

Ostrich
When Francis came in, he was a beautiful model of Christian virtue, particularly in taking care of the poor. However, his ineptitude at handling global affairs is probably because of his background. He's from Argentina, for Peter's sake (pun), which isn't known for creating renown world leaders. Argentina is a mess.

Have you guys heard of the vision of Pope Leo XIII of Satan? The late Pope is said to have overheard a conversation between God and Satan in 1884, in which Satan said he could destroy God's church if he had 100 years and more control over the people who would give themselves to his (Satan's) service and God granted him the time. ...

The point is, we are currently riding in the aftermath of Satan's 100 years. Now, the question is, are we still under this 100 year spell or has it ended? The people under Satan's power are still under his power. Not to point fingers, but alot of Baby Boomers and Gen-Xers are the worst. Millenials have become morally relativistic and overly tolerant. I'm generalizing in both cases, forgive me.

Naturally, if the world has undergone this 100 year influence of Satan, then even if Satan's dominion has ended, there's still alot of cleaning up to do. Society (and the Catholic church for that matter) is like a large ship: it takes a long time to turn around. The church isn't somehow exempt from cultural problems.

Good post. I think your assumption is that the 100 years of Satans' rule was (1) granted and (2) began in 1884.

We really don't have confirmation of either. I've never thought of the possibility that it has ended, and we are cleaning up the mess now. It's an interesting thought.

I usually follow the assumption that if the Pope was right, and it did begin, we are still in it, just because it feels like the moral degredation is growing. But your point is good, that evil has inertia.

I wasn't a practicing Catholic when Pope Francis came into the Vatican. I do remember that early on he did some small tokens of modesty and displayed a spirit of poverty which struck me as very authentic to me at the time.
 
Good post. I think your assumption is that the 100 years of Satans' rule was (1) granted and (2) began in 1884.
I didn't think of that. I'm on the optimistic side that thinks it did begin then because of the rise of communism, the world wars, and abortion. It's tempting to think the timer may have not begun until actual communism under Marx some years later. The literature at the turn of the century (like Atlas Shrugged) could be indicative of the clock starting, but then again, there's always been evil ideas out there.
hm... Now you've got me thinking.
 

Cervantes

Woodpecker
I didn't think of that. I'm on the optimistic side that thinks it did begin then because of the rise of communism, the world wars, and abortion. It's tempting to think the timer may have not begun until actual communism under Marx some years later. The literature at the turn of the century (like Atlas Shrugged) could be indicative of the clock starting, but then again, there's always been evil ideas out there.
hm... Now you've got me thinking.
God has permitted Satan to rule this world since almost the beginning. One of the ways that Satan tempted Christ in the desert was his offer to give Jesus control of all earthly governments, Luke 4:5-6:

Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

This is why most governments are evil most of the time throughout history.
 
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