The power of magic mushrooms
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Not to mention there are so many levels to the psychedelic experience. It’s hard to describe really because it can be anything from a sex enhancer to a two-way ticket to God to a great conversation tool with your close friends. It’s a grown up drug for sure.
I can say personally my experiences with psychedelics and mushrooms in particular have let me discover the kind of man I am decades before I would have otherwise. If you keep your context and perspective right you accomplish a lot.
I can say personally my experiences with psychedelics and mushrooms in particular have let me discover the kind of man I am decades before I would have otherwise. If you keep your context and perspective right you accomplish a lot.
bigolteddies said:
Set and setting. If you do a small dosage of mushrooms in a party setting like many people do, you aren't going to have these deep spiritual thoughts typically. You will be distracted by other things and enjoying the hedonistic aspect of the drug.
Also, in my view it is a bit arrogant to believe that doing mushrooms will result in some sort of great "truth" or "knowledge" being bestowed upon you. It alters your state of consciousness and opens your mind to ideas you wouldn't be able to process otherwise, but there isn't a universal truth that it reveals to all people who consume mushrooms.
PlevenskiTarikat
Sparrow
Welcome to the other side, Roosh. I knew you'd venture to this side a few years back and I was right.
I consider myself a a pretty seasoned psychonaut, but still have yet to do the Spirit Molecule at the climax of a heroic dose of psilocybin as Terence McKenna suggests this to be culmination in psychedelia. Anyone ventured that deep down the rabbit-hole?
I consider myself a a pretty seasoned psychonaut, but still have yet to do the Spirit Molecule at the climax of a heroic dose of psilocybin as Terence McKenna suggests this to be culmination in psychedelia. Anyone ventured that deep down the rabbit-hole?
BeardedMastodon
Sparrow
Wait... DMT with a mega dose of mushrooms!? IDK man... that sees s like a crap shoot. You Will have a very high chance of seeing demons, aliens, all sorts of stuff wether true or fantasy. DMT is already the strongest visual phycadelic out there!
Any regular microdosers in here? Now that the weather is hitting the 60's/70's here in the midwest I'm planning to do some nice outdoor mini/microtrips. I haven't done it enough to say an effects on my mood, but it does give a nice feeling of appreciation in the moment for things.
debeguiled said:
More likely than becoming part of "God" on a mushroom/DMT/LSD trip is the idea that the "machine elves' are merely parts of your subconscious mind a.k.a. the archetypes that have been brought to consciousness. This is why people feel as though they are experiencing enlightenment when in reality the brain has powered up to the point where all systems are operating in unison. Hence the feeling of oneness with God and the universe.
Gotti said:
This matches my experience. I've never received any new knowledge in the factual sense from mushrooms. Only new insights based on what I already knew going in. And those insights can hit suddenly with a powerful sense of depth. It has made me cry like I haven't cried since I was a child. But there was nothing negative about the crying at all. It was an outlet for all the unconfronted truths about myself that I was too busy to face, having instead buried them in my subconscious mind.
Some here call it a shortcut, but what's wrong with that, as long as you are open to whatever insights you receive from the trip? That's like saying we should read the Bible in the original languages instead of in modern ones. Personally, the only other way I can see myself receiving the same benefits is to take extended time away from work or quit and then spend all my time meditating. Do preachers tell people who want to read the Bible that they should quit their jobs and study Greek full time just so that they can read the original Bible? Not to say that there isn't anything to be gained by the extra effort, but it's a cost benefit trade-off that each man must decide for himself.
I acknowledge that I had some less than ideal mushroom trips, when I only had a few days off before I had to get back to work. It didn't leave me a lot of time to reflect on it afterwards. I also had my normal-life responsibilities hanging in the back of my mind. But it was still more beneficial than not taking the mushrooms at all. I learned to forgive myself for past mistakes with women and at work. I realized the need to improve my relationship with my parents, who are getting older and are at greater risk of developing health problems. I also found the words to say (post-bang) to my current LTR, who later told me she was really touched by it. Without it, I wouldn't have figured out how to say those things without coming off as forced or beta.
Have had an extremely hard time finding anyone to supply these. I've had multiple people tell me they could basically get me anything I wanted except shrooms. Might have to forage come spring time. I have a decent knowledge of mushroom picking. May drop a data sheet if so inclined on edible mushrooms.
mr-ed209
Sparrow
I credit magic mushrooms with allowing me to finally lose my virginity at the ripe old age of 23. A friend of mine got some for my 23rd birthday and we chopped them up and drank them in a smoothie.
I remember lying in bed listening to rod steward and feeling this weird body high and a real craving to just cuddle with someone, to stroke them and be intimate. I started having all these realisations, with real clarity, at how women were made to 'receive' men. About the importance of being dominant and how great it would feel to be 'caringly dominant' over a girl, and how great they would feel having me to lead them.
All stuff that is probably quite obvious to most reading here. But then i'd had no exposure to anything like this. I grew up with a very passive father and over protective mother and had all the cliche traits one would imagine.
That very week i had some kind of renewed vigour to go out and pursue girls, shaking off the passive beta boyish frame id had all my life to that point; which was just passively hoping some girl would sex me out of the blue and take me as her boyfriend. I was chatting to girls at parties, adding them on fb and messaging them late at night to come over. Less than 2 weeks after that trip i fucked some girl which ended up turning into my first FWB situation.
I can barely remember the actual act of losing my virginity. But i think i'll always hold deer memories of tripping out, listening to Rod, as the catalyst of all that came there after..
I remember lying in bed listening to rod steward and feeling this weird body high and a real craving to just cuddle with someone, to stroke them and be intimate. I started having all these realisations, with real clarity, at how women were made to 'receive' men. About the importance of being dominant and how great it would feel to be 'caringly dominant' over a girl, and how great they would feel having me to lead them.
All stuff that is probably quite obvious to most reading here. But then i'd had no exposure to anything like this. I grew up with a very passive father and over protective mother and had all the cliche traits one would imagine.
That very week i had some kind of renewed vigour to go out and pursue girls, shaking off the passive beta boyish frame id had all my life to that point; which was just passively hoping some girl would sex me out of the blue and take me as her boyfriend. I was chatting to girls at parties, adding them on fb and messaging them late at night to come over. Less than 2 weeks after that trip i fucked some girl which ended up turning into my first FWB situation.
I can barely remember the actual act of losing my virginity. But i think i'll always hold deer memories of tripping out, listening to Rod, as the catalyst of all that came there after..
PlevenskiTarikat said:
I once accidentally smoked MET (ethyl methyl tryptamine...you can google it but short version is "dmt easy mode") right after the peak of a 300mcg LSD trip (we'd been smoking it before the trip and my friend packed a bowl of weed in the pipe we were using before and then we smoked out of it, it recrystallized in the pipe).
I would describe it as an immediate feeling of sheer panic followed by me trying to calm myself down by saying that it's happening now anyway and I can't do anything to stop it so might as well enjoy it. Then the room started to look like what happens when you look at yourself in two mirrors facing each other. Then it all melted away and I felt like I was hurtling through space and forgot who I was. I won't clutter the thread with a trip report but I saw a lot of crazy stuff, felt as if external presences were communicating with me, and did have an ultimate realization that I was able to put into words at the time. I could hear voices talking to me. It was also pretty erotic. (I've heard that is an MET thing...DMT not so much)
Got a big bag of chaga mushroom powder in Macedonia. Put a heaping spoon or two into my coffee. As I sat there on the patio in the city square sipping away, I started to feel REALLY great. I could see people had lights around them. Lo and Behold I was tripping a little. It lasted all day. Still micro dosing the chaga/lions mane coffee daily but was surprised at the close relation to magic shrooms from that first experience.
I've tried all manner of magic mushrooms but usually do them like once a decade. It's about time for another round. Never liked LSD or any other lab drugs I've tried.
I've tried all manner of magic mushrooms but usually do them like once a decade. It's about time for another round. Never liked LSD or any other lab drugs I've tried.
Magic mushrooms AKA psylocibin cause the brain to simulate the serotonin-rich neural state of an alpha male positioned at the top of his social dominance hierarchy.
The commonly referenced “ego death” that occurs during a psylocibin trip is analogous to the shedding off of a subordinate social role and assuming a dominant role, since behaviors associated with having a “big ego” (e.g., aggressive, argumentative, craving attention, high stress level) also denote subordinate social status, and behaviors associated with ego death (confidence in oneself, courage, relaxation, passion, creativity) are associated with higher status.
Taking shrooms is a way of “hacking” one’s own personal brain, and thus hacking the dominance hierarchy of one’s society/group, since this super-structure is generated and maintained by the behaviors (dominant/submissive) that its members outwardly display, behaviors which are, in turn, controlled by each member’s internal serotonin-powered gauge of their own personal hierarchical role. This might be considered a way of “tricking” one’s brain into believing that one has higher status, but in fact it is an actual, albeit temporary, increase in the user’s social hierarchical role, since the hierarchy consists of nothing more than the members’ brains, and the resulting behavioral outputs that they produce, which are in turn perceived by other members, thus subconsciously signaling each member’s hierarchical position.
Of course, larger doses might complicate this result, by inducing the user to experience dramatic or unsettling shifts in their awareness or behavior. A user is well-advised to start out with smaller doses, taking note of the effects, and only increasing the dosage to a level at which he is comfortable and able to avoid acting noticeably altered in social situations.
The psylocibin molecule mimics the structure and function of serotonin (a neurotransmitter, a type of molecule that serves as a chemical signal in the brain) which has many purposes, one of which is to signal the individual organism’s position in their social dominance hierarchy. The more serotonin a brain secretes, the higher that individual stands in his hierarchy, which is to say, the more alpha he is. Conversely, a subordinate member will exhibit low levels of serotonin secretion. If the brain were a motor, and high status were that motor running at 6,000 RPM versus 3,000, then serotonin would be the tachometer output reading “6,000.” Just as it is important for a car to communicate its RPM to the driver, it is essential that a brain recognize and reinforce the individual’s social hierarchical role since humans are, of course, social animals.
This is by design, you might say. It is not a disease or an accident that many or most of the members in a society or social unit will have low serotonin, and thus exhibit symptoms of chronic depression and anxiety. Rather, in a biological sense, this is the proper functioning of the society and of its individual constituent brains, which are tasked, among other things, with keeping track of the member's status, and controlling the individual’s behavior relative to the other members of his unit. Alpha status will result in higher serotonin secretion, which generates typical alpha male behaviors, like having a fully upright posture, lower baseline stress levels, and a higher sex drive. Lower status will result in low serotonin and typical submissive behaviors, like avoiding direct eye contact.
Because females are hardwired to respond sexually to the alpha, dominant male, and to be disgusted or turned off by sexual advances by subordinate males, we say that females are hypergamous. This can be observed most clearly in primate species where the alpha male possesses exclusive sexual access to the females in his territory, until he is overthrown in battle by another male, who becomes the new alpha. The females will automatically respond to this change in the social dominance hierarchy, granting sexual access to the new alpha while excluding the subordinate males.
Hypergamy is also apparent in humans, although in a milder form. Human females will be sexually receptive to males with a higher social position than their own. A sexually successful male doesn’t have to be the sole alpha male in his society/group, but he must at least be superior to the woman with whom he mates. Thus, pickup and relationship game are, in a sense, attempts to cultivate or at least mimic alpha behaviors, in order to trigger the female's hypergamous instincts, stimulating women to react in a sexually receptive manner.
For this reason, if administering shrooms to females, please be aware that it will cause an increase in her own personal perception of her social role, and thus a decreased range of suitable male sexual partners, whose status must exceed that of the female user in order to engage sexually.
This is where the fundamental premise of pickup, and that of Red Pill, converge: the recognition that dominance hierarchies are natural, necessary components of human and animal life. By accepting this biological reality, and beginning to understand how these structures operate, men can improve their lives and their sexual prospects. This is different from rape, which is the forceful penetration of an unwilling partner. Pickup is using one's knowledge of psychological biology to trigger the natural instincts of women in order to stimulate the behavior of sexual receptivity.
In short, moderate psylocibin use should improve a man’s sexual and relationship prospects, assist typically subordinate men in resolving conflicts caused by a social power differential, and help to alleviate symptoms resembling chronic depression and anxiety in the many men who possess a low social hierarchical role.
Selectve serotonin-reputake inhibitors (SSRI) like Prozac, might offer some of these same benefits, but they also impose added side effects, including, but not limited to, dependancy and withdrawal, whereas psylocibin is not habit-forming.
It is impossible to overdose on psylocibin.
The commonly referenced “ego death” that occurs during a psylocibin trip is analogous to the shedding off of a subordinate social role and assuming a dominant role, since behaviors associated with having a “big ego” (e.g., aggressive, argumentative, craving attention, high stress level) also denote subordinate social status, and behaviors associated with ego death (confidence in oneself, courage, relaxation, passion, creativity) are associated with higher status.
Taking shrooms is a way of “hacking” one’s own personal brain, and thus hacking the dominance hierarchy of one’s society/group, since this super-structure is generated and maintained by the behaviors (dominant/submissive) that its members outwardly display, behaviors which are, in turn, controlled by each member’s internal serotonin-powered gauge of their own personal hierarchical role. This might be considered a way of “tricking” one’s brain into believing that one has higher status, but in fact it is an actual, albeit temporary, increase in the user’s social hierarchical role, since the hierarchy consists of nothing more than the members’ brains, and the resulting behavioral outputs that they produce, which are in turn perceived by other members, thus subconsciously signaling each member’s hierarchical position.
Of course, larger doses might complicate this result, by inducing the user to experience dramatic or unsettling shifts in their awareness or behavior. A user is well-advised to start out with smaller doses, taking note of the effects, and only increasing the dosage to a level at which he is comfortable and able to avoid acting noticeably altered in social situations.
The psylocibin molecule mimics the structure and function of serotonin (a neurotransmitter, a type of molecule that serves as a chemical signal in the brain) which has many purposes, one of which is to signal the individual organism’s position in their social dominance hierarchy. The more serotonin a brain secretes, the higher that individual stands in his hierarchy, which is to say, the more alpha he is. Conversely, a subordinate member will exhibit low levels of serotonin secretion. If the brain were a motor, and high status were that motor running at 6,000 RPM versus 3,000, then serotonin would be the tachometer output reading “6,000.” Just as it is important for a car to communicate its RPM to the driver, it is essential that a brain recognize and reinforce the individual’s social hierarchical role since humans are, of course, social animals.
This is by design, you might say. It is not a disease or an accident that many or most of the members in a society or social unit will have low serotonin, and thus exhibit symptoms of chronic depression and anxiety. Rather, in a biological sense, this is the proper functioning of the society and of its individual constituent brains, which are tasked, among other things, with keeping track of the member's status, and controlling the individual’s behavior relative to the other members of his unit. Alpha status will result in higher serotonin secretion, which generates typical alpha male behaviors, like having a fully upright posture, lower baseline stress levels, and a higher sex drive. Lower status will result in low serotonin and typical submissive behaviors, like avoiding direct eye contact.
Because females are hardwired to respond sexually to the alpha, dominant male, and to be disgusted or turned off by sexual advances by subordinate males, we say that females are hypergamous. This can be observed most clearly in primate species where the alpha male possesses exclusive sexual access to the females in his territory, until he is overthrown in battle by another male, who becomes the new alpha. The females will automatically respond to this change in the social dominance hierarchy, granting sexual access to the new alpha while excluding the subordinate males.
Hypergamy is also apparent in humans, although in a milder form. Human females will be sexually receptive to males with a higher social position than their own. A sexually successful male doesn’t have to be the sole alpha male in his society/group, but he must at least be superior to the woman with whom he mates. Thus, pickup and relationship game are, in a sense, attempts to cultivate or at least mimic alpha behaviors, in order to trigger the female's hypergamous instincts, stimulating women to react in a sexually receptive manner.
For this reason, if administering shrooms to females, please be aware that it will cause an increase in her own personal perception of her social role, and thus a decreased range of suitable male sexual partners, whose status must exceed that of the female user in order to engage sexually.
This is where the fundamental premise of pickup, and that of Red Pill, converge: the recognition that dominance hierarchies are natural, necessary components of human and animal life. By accepting this biological reality, and beginning to understand how these structures operate, men can improve their lives and their sexual prospects. This is different from rape, which is the forceful penetration of an unwilling partner. Pickup is using one's knowledge of psychological biology to trigger the natural instincts of women in order to stimulate the behavior of sexual receptivity.
In short, moderate psylocibin use should improve a man’s sexual and relationship prospects, assist typically subordinate men in resolving conflicts caused by a social power differential, and help to alleviate symptoms resembling chronic depression and anxiety in the many men who possess a low social hierarchical role.
Selectve serotonin-reputake inhibitors (SSRI) like Prozac, might offer some of these same benefits, but they also impose added side effects, including, but not limited to, dependancy and withdrawal, whereas psylocibin is not habit-forming.
It is impossible to overdose on psylocibin.
BlueMark, my claim about ego death was my own speculation, drawing upon some of my experiences, as well as inferring from the literature's observations about the neurology of status. How would you describe your ego death? For me, it feels like the removal of personal insecurity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death
When I experienced ego death, I stopped being able to any first person identity. I still remembered first person pronouns like "I" and "me" but they were just words with no meaning. I still remembered who I was, but could only think of myself as "BlueMark" and not as "me."
That state of consciousness lasted for only a few seconds, just enough for me to get some profound realizations about my own personal shortcomings.
When I experienced ego death, I stopped being able to any first person identity. I still remembered first person pronouns like "I" and "me" but they were just words with no meaning. I still remembered who I was, but could only think of myself as "BlueMark" and not as "me."
That state of consciousness lasted for only a few seconds, just enough for me to get some profound realizations about my own personal shortcomings.