The Relative Dangers of Drugs

[The Lizard of Oz]

Ecstasy:

 

[Beginner]

I don't see meth on the chart, only amphetamine

Unlike amphetamine and cocaine, methamphetamine is neurotoxic to humans, damaging both dopamine and serotonin neurons in the CNS. Entirely opposite to the long-term use of amphetamine, there is evidence that methamphetamine causes brain damage from long-term use in humans; this damage includes adverse changes in brain structure and function, such as reductions in gray matter volume in several brain regions and adverse changes in markers of metabolic integrity.

 

[birdie num num]

I've been smoking weed for years, the only problem is... is....um....uhh....... I forgot what I was going to say. What were we talking about?

 

[Ziltoid]

I don't see meth on the chart, only amphetamine

Unlike amphetamine and cocaine, methamphetamine is neurotoxic to humans, damaging both dopamine and serotonin neurons in the CNS. Entirely opposite to the long-term use of amphetamine, there is evidence that methamphetamine causes brain damage from long-term use in humans; this damage includes adverse changes in brain structure and function, such as reductions in gray matter volume in several brain regions and adverse changes in markers of metabolic integrity.

Uh, source? I find this incredibly hard to believe.

All amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine, dextroamphetamine, levoamphetamine, MDMA, and many others...) are known to be neurotoxic with chronic use and with high doses. Meth is just more potent... It's like saying whiskey is more neurotoxic than beer, heh. Take a substantial dose of prescription speed and your brain is going to be in no better shape than if you had used a small dose of methamphetamine.

 

[Beginner]

i have no idea i'm not an expert i copied it from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

 

[Screwston]

If anyone wants to read "reviews" and experiences of drugs, check out erowid.org

 

[Mage]

Funny how most of you guys interpret this as study a justification for use of soft drugs.

I would rather interpret this chart as showing how shitty tabaccoo and alcohol is - they are worse then many illegal drugs!

I agree that soft drugs should not be demonized and I agree that so called "war on drugs" is a bigotry, but that still doesn't change the fact that their use is a sign of short sightness, lack of purpose and giving in to social peer pressure.

I am glad my dopamine reward system is not fucked up and I can get high pleasure form banging chicks and lifting weights. The dopamine reward system of a drug user is like a loose stretched pussy - nothing healthy is enough to fill that hole.

 

[pdub]

Funny how most of you guys interpret this as study a justification for use of soft drugs.

I would rather interpret this chart as showing how shitty tabaccoo and alcohol is - they are worse then many illegal drugs!

I agree that soft drugs should not be demonized and I agree that so called "war on drugs" is a bigotry, but that still doesn't change the fact that their use is a sign of short sightness, lack of purpose and giving in to social peer pressure.

I am glad my dopamine reward system is not fucked up and I can get high pleasure form banging chicks and lifting weights. The dopamine reward system of a drug user is like a loose stretched pussy - nothing healthy is enough to fill that hole.

Haha you sound like one of those guys that says things like "Who needs drugs I get just as high thinking about Jesus"

 

[RXB]

I haven't had an alcoholic beverage since I was 18. This year I've decided to go 365 days drug free. I'm almost a month in and don't fee like I'm missing out on anything.

Also my body feels more natural, I can't think of a good way to describe it, and I'm way sharper and more level headed.

While drugs are a hell of a lot of fun, being sober is a lot more enjoyable than most people would imagine it to be.

 

[pdub]

I have a hard time believing that blow is worse than meth.

I've done plenty of blow and I'm not addicted nor have I felt any terrible effects.

I did meth once by accident (bad E) and it was the worst drug experience I've ever had.

Regardless, cool chart.

Pure ice fresh out the cooks' lab is incredible, I could try to describe it as the waves of euphoria from MDMA plus the time dilation (faster speed of thoughts) of LSD plus the lazer focus of amphetamines, but it wouldn't really be right, like all drugs you have to see it for yourself. I think that the ill effects of meth aren't from the drug itself but from drug abusers going on repeated 4 - 5 day sleepless binges without taking care of themselves with normal eating and water intake.

 

[Mage]

Haha you sound like one of those guys that says things like "Who needs drugs I get just as high thinking about Jesus"

And you sound like a little rebellious child.

 

[Hencredible Casanova]

A ban on khat will go into effect in the UK in the next few months. It's already been banned for years in the US, Canada, and most of Europe. Supposed to have a huge effect on the Somali community. Vice did an interesting piece on it.

 

[Ziltoid]

I agree that soft drugs should not be demonized and I agree that so called "war on drugs" is a bigotry, but that still doesn't change the fact that their use is a sign of short sightness, lack of purpose, and giving in to social peer pressure.

And yet, an uncountable number of guys with better game and more money than you use them... Why do you suppose that is? Say what you will about their music, but guys like Marilyn Manson, Lil Wayne, DMX... are not losers in any sense of the word.

I am glad my dopamine reward system is not fucked up and I can get high pleasure form banging chicks and lifting weights. The dopamine reward system of a drug user is like a loose stretched pussy - nothing healthy is enough to fill that hole.

No, it isn't... Drug use and drug addiction are not equivalent.

People like you are horrible PR for the sober lifestyle. Not because of your choice to abstain, but because of your deluded and smug sense of high ground.

 

[Architekt]

Pure ice fresh out the cooks' lab is incredible, I could try to describe it as the waves of euphoria from MDMA plus the time dilation (faster speed of thoughts) of LSD plus the lazer focus of amphetamines, but it wouldn't really be right, like all drugs you have to see it for yourself. I think that the ill effects of meth aren't from the drug itself but from drug abusers going on repeated 4 - 5 day sleepless binges without taking care of themselves with normal eating and water intake.

I'm inclined to respectfully disagree about it being incredible. All it's good for is developing a case of scatterfrycosis..

 

[Sp5]

From my observations in the criminal justice system, meth is the worst for rapidly destroying people. Methheads end up rotting away in a couple of years.

Crack is second for rapid ruin. Heroin addicts can maintain for years if they don't OD but end up doing a lot of time in prison. Almost all male heroin addicts end up doing robberies and almost all women heroin addicts end up being whores.

Why khat is illegal, I don't know. It's pretty mild and better than coffee as a performance enhancing drug. I guess it was all of that Somali warlord scaremongering that did it in.

 

[commiejoe]

Having grown up in the 80's with DARE and stuff, I'm not even going to try to interject on the shit in this thread. No... wait, this counts, so might as well intro down.

Did alcohol in high school, weed in college, then after that the hardest was cocaine, but only when I was drunk. Did adderall a little bit in grad school, and snorked brownbrown when I was a Forest Ranger with the econ interns.

My drug use was limited to just that, usage.
Never touched anything damaging, like meth or heroin, so basically, there was truth and fib to all the DARE shit I was brought up with. Didn't stop me from actually doing it though, just never turned into a full blown abuser.

Thinking about it, I have an "addictive personality", I think.... addicted to tobacco, almost got addicted to alcohol, got addicted to FPS video games for a bit, but shook that shit off.

I'm typing this right now because I just tucked into some 52 yr old casket whiskey, and I'm allergic to alcohol, which means I turn into a hyper, insane, impulsive, CRAZY person. Like, "doing-lines-of-cocaine-off-a-low-flying-plane-beacon-light-on-top-of-a-cell-phone-tower-while-state-troopers-had-pulled-a-speeder-over-just-below" kind of crazy. The shit I could talk about. Or getting drunk and rally racing on suburb sidewalks in my 93 corolla. If anyone's interested in those kinds of stories, I'll go on. If not, then whatevs.

TLDR; alcohol is a helluva drug, depending on your physiology.

edit: Do they still have the DARE program in elementary school these days? (90's on up)

 

[Mage]

I agree that soft drugs should not be demonized and I agree that so called "war on drugs" is a bigotry, but that still doesn't change the fact that their use is a sign of short sightness, lack of purpose, and giving in to social peer pressure.

And yet, an uncountable number of guys with better game and more money than you use them... Why do you suppose that is? Say what you will about their music, but guys like Marilyn Manson, Lil Wayne, DMX... are not losers in any sense of the word.

There is also an uncountable numbe of guys with better game and more money then you who don't use drugs.
Manson and those rappers you named are losers in precisely that regard that they have to use drugs to build their style and fame. There are planty of famous rich guys who don't have to do that to be rich and famous. Do Clooney, di Caprio, Brad Pitt, Jack Nicholson, Vladimir Putin, Warren Buffet or Steve Jobs have to use drugs to be rich, famous and good with women? Maybe they use drugs or maybe they don't, but they sure don't need drugs to be rich and famous and that gives them a huge edge over losers like Manson and some dumb rappers who can be athorities only to immature acne ridden teenagers, with a desparate need for conformity by proclaiming their rebellious "non-conformity" - you seem to belong to this grop or at least have never outgrown it. Manson is king of losers, but a loser still.

I am glad my dopamine reward system is not fucked up and I can get high pleasure form banging chicks and lifting weights. The dopamine reward system of a drug user is like a loose stretched pussy - nothing healthy is enough to fill that hole.

No, it isn't... Drug use and drug addiction are not equivalent.

Right, they are no equivalent - One is dumb and other is dumber.

People like you are horrible PR for the sober lifestyle. Not because of your choice to abstain, but because of your deluded and smug sense of high ground.

I am sorry I hurt your feelings, bro! Don't cry!

 

[commiejoe]

All right, I just read some more of this thread.
You two are arguing about bullshit that can't out stink the other. Different lifestyles, different perspectives, fuckin drop it, you aren't going to win a Nobel prize for convincing each other of something either way.
Fuck.
I'm a mean drunk. I'll cut someone just for the schlitz n gigglez. I need to clean my '41 Tula SVT40, so quit bitching like school girls. Makes me wanna shove a muzzle brake in a rectum.

Boon's Farm, you will get me banned from another forum.

 

[pdub]

or Steve Jobs have to use drugs to be rich, famous and good with women? Maybe they use drugs or maybe they don't, but they sure don't need drugs to be rich and famous a

Steve Jobs on LSD:

'It was a positive life changing experience for me and I am glad I went through that experience'.

Steve Jobs on ganja:

The best way I would describe the effect of the marijuana and the hashish is that it would make me relaxed and creative,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bs-told-Pentagon-LSD-marijuana-use-1970s.html


Mage you are not speaking from direct user experience here, you are grouping all 'drugs' together as if they all have the same psychological effects which isn't true. The same drug from the same batch can have different effects on different people, which is why most people who have take coke or ganga don't become destitute addicts living on the streets.

@commiejoe - the government disinfo program known as DARE was part of the curriculum in the early 90s when I was in school and is still a part of public schools, I still see DARE T-shirts worn by kids as an ironic statement.

@Architekt - do you know for certain it was the real deal? When I was a kid I smoked an entire joint without feeling anything, of what I now realize were marijuana stems and seeds mixed with old oregano.

 

[Hotwheels]

So is an LSD trip similar to how it was portrayed by Roger?