The Ron DeSantis Thread

[Aloha50]

Dude, your info isn't even correct. In the interview you're referring to, DeSantis mentioned George Herbert Walker Bush, not George W. Bush. And it was clearly just in response to being put on the spot unexpectedly when he was still fairly new and inexperienced in politics.

It's incredibly bizarre how so many people are taking a microscope to DeSantis's flaws while willfully ignoring the 800 lb. gorilla in the room that is Trump's litany of failures and terrible decisions in office.

Reminder: Trump is not your personal friend or your family member. You do not owe him any loyalty. Put another way, feel free to show him the same loyalty he showed his Jan 6th supporters.

Spot on. And here's what I say constantly from Trump world: a charge is made against Desantis; charge looked at closely and found to be completely inaccurate; never address the lie and move onto the next slander. Like Trump world is really no different than corporate media. Throw out a lie, get caught, never address the lie, onto next lie.

For example, two weeks ago it was 'George Soros supports Ron Desantis....!' If you only watch a minute of the Soros talk it's unclear what he thinks of Desantis, uses adjectives that could be construed either way. But, if you watch the whole 3 minute clip Soros goes on to say that he wants Desantis to win primary, Trump to go third party and for Dem to win in a landslide. Trump world never played the whole clip for full
context. A day before they doctored a picture to show Christina Pushaw with George Soros - totally fake, but in Trumpworld this proves Ron's a globalist.

I brought up the above in this thread a couple weeks ago; not one reply. You would think there would be at least one with something like: 'yeah I don't like Desantis but we gotta stop lying as about him as that's what the devil does....'

 

[get2choppaaa]

Spot on. And here's what I say constantly from Trump world: a charge is made against Desantis; charge looked at closely and found to be completely inaccurate; never address the lie and move onto the next slander. Like Trump world is really no different than corporate media. Throw out a lie, get caught, never address the lie, onto next lie.

For example, two weeks ago it was 'George Soros supports Ron Desantis....!' If you only watch a minute of the Soros talk it's unclear what he thinks of Desantis, uses adjectives that could be construed either way. But, if you watch the whole 3 minute clip Soros goes on to say that he wants Desantis to win primary, Trump to go third party and for Dem to win in a landslide. Trump world never played the whole clip for full
context. A day before they doctored a picture to show Christina Pushaw with George Soros - totally fake, but in Trumpworld this proves Ron's a globalist.

I brought up the above in this thread a couple weeks ago; not one reply. You would think there would be at least one with something like: 'yeah I don't like Desantis but we gotta stop lying as about him as that's what the devil does....'

How is the comment about Soros incorrect? He supports DeSantis winning the primary for the goal of splitting the vote. It's a political means to an end. Therefore he will fund division. This is a form of support.

It's not the same as saying his views align, but it's a form of support. Its frankly true that many many of the Neocon establishment folks, like literally all of them want DeSantis. That's problematic for him among the base. That's all Trump is playing into. It's messaging and politics.

 

[Aloha50]

Your'e right it was HW Bush. Thank you for correcting me.

However, on the spot he was, here's how some are going to see that video (and what comes to mind for ME about HW Bush).... He admires HW Bush who pushed the NWO in front of the UN after the Babies in Incubators False Flag. George HW Bush, who was one of the most ineffective Presidents we've ever had. George HW Bush, who is blue blood progeny of the men who wanted Smedley Buttler to lead the Business Plot for copratist greed. Yes the most inspirational person as it were, because of being captain of the baseball team? Yeah.... Net Net In fact HW may be worse. Further he has described his leadership style best embodied by John Bolton (Someone Trump would bring to the table to get foreigners to assume he was going to war, and then make peace)

I've met Obama, let me tell you the only thing I'll say about him is that he had the softest hands and the weakest handshake I've ever expereinced in my life. Not gonna say he was inspirational because the only thing he inspires from me is disdain. So it doesnt relate to me, like it wont relate to many many blue collar folks that HW, the captain of the Yale team, is someone to idolize given the current disdain majority of the base has regarding the political class...

You may say these are mischarachtarizations of what happened or out of context... but you shouldnt pretend for a second that it's not going to come up if they get on the debate, and he's going to have to address it. If he comes out and says something to the effect that I was incorrect or clarifies in a specific way that assuages those concerns good.



This thread has DeSantis own words. He's comes off as politacally malleable. Why would I and other's who are distrusting of people who are perceived as career political operators and who've seen this dog and pony show before (like we did with W Bush who ran on securing the border and ran on isolationism) assume that DeSantis would be any different once a Crisis occurs which he can be convinced to exploit.
If he does so, it will be because he has to play catch up to Trumps proactivitity and is reactive to the MAGA base.

He may be an excellent administrator, but he is not a populist in nature, rather merely trying to adopt what is in the overton window of the base.

It's not sycophantic to merely say that I don't have a reason based off what I am discovering to expect DeSantis to be more on the money than Trump. Your criticisms are fair that Trump has made some follys, possibly DeSantis will be better if he is elected.... but I am not sold on that propisition.

DeSantis, If he runs, will have to answer all that.... Just like Trump will for his valid criticsms. Maybe there is a genuine change of his political beliefs. It would be a lie to say that at 33 I believe the same things I did at 18 in college or 27 when I was overseas deployed. So I'm not saying it's impossible for change.

I welcome it the spirited debate and if he convinces me otherwise, I'll happily support him. BUT I'm not walking in to this with rose tinted glasses when I've just witness a president win 72 Million votes being challenge by a Govenor who didnt even address the Mara Lago raid in any public or significant manner at the time of it's immediate occurance. That's when I started to begin to have suspicions about him.

Excellent.....totally agree with your sentiment above. Let them battle! It's great because it will push both of them to the right. At the end of it they both could be promising to prosecute Bill Gates...who knows.

Regarding Desantis, I support him but not entirely and the campaign could put me back supporting Trump. One question I hope he gets and believe could make or break his campaign: Do you believe the 2020 election was rigged in favor of Biden? If he was to answer 'no' it would be political disaster for him. I would probably go over to Trump if he answered that way.

The clip above is a bit disappointing, but I'll point out, Trump hasn't been great in regards to Putin either. His stock response is always, 'let me tell you, if I was president Putin would have never invaded Ukraine....' He never says, 'Putin had good reasons for invading Ukraine, and I wish Russia the best in their endeavor....' or something like that. He's basically saying, if I was president this tragedy that Russia has started would never have happened. That said, I suspect Trumps personal views on the subject are better (more pro Russia) than Desantis. If I was Trump, I would try to get daylight between me and Desantis on this issue. Force Desantis to be anti Ukraine basically and if not hammer him.....that will play well with right wingers like me that aren't presently in the Trump camp.

 

[Aloha50]

How is the comment about Soros incorrect? He supports DeSantis winning the primary for the goal of splitting the vote. It's a political means to an end. Therefore he will fund division. This is a form of support.

It's not the same as saying his views align, but it's a form of support. Its frankly true that many many of the Neocon establishment folks, like literally all of them want DeSantis. That's problematic for him among the base. That's all Trump is playing into. It's messaging and politics.

No. The tweets that went out on Twitter were saying that Soros supports Ron Desantis like he approves of his campaign and would like him for president. Never mentioning the context which is he wants the GOP vote split so a Dem wins in a landslide (his word). The TrumpTards all around ran with it and the lie spread. Also I'll note, I never see any lies about Trump from Desantis world going out similar to the above Soros lie or the doctored picture of Christina Pushaw, it's always in the bowels of Trump world where this bile comes from. Sorry, that's just what I see.

 

[Dusty]

 

[get2choppaaa]

This goes to my concern with the DeSantis natural support, which is not White Populist.

 

[Samseau]

DeSantis was made by Trump. For DeSantis to run against Trump shows a betrayal. Of course it's going to be hard to win over Trump voters after treachery. Also, the clip posted here a few pages back of FOX news being unable to find a single DeSantis supporter in Florida, including a woman wearing a DeSantis T-Shirt, completely matches my experience. Why would Floridians want to lose their beloved Gov, who saved them from the gay crackhead? What is in it for Floridians to elect DeSantis to the presidency? Crickets about this from the DeSantis camp. Every Floridian I've spoken to about DeSantis all support Trump, and I have family in Florida.

DeSantis is simply out of touch with reality, he's blinded by push polls and huge donor bucks. For me, I'm more curious about how DeSantis even saves his political career after Trump demolishes him. If DeSantis had been a team player he could have been a shoo-in for 2028, now he's known as the backstabber.

 

[scorpion]

1) We do not live in an aristocracy. No man has a right to the Presidency. The very idea is insulting and antithetical to American values. Trump is not entitled to the Republican nomination. He's perfectly capable of winning it on his own merits and should be prepared to do so. Whining about DeSantis's running as "treachery" simply makes him look weak and pathetic. If he can't withstand a primary challenge then he sure as hell doesn't have the mettle to dismantle the Deep State.

2) DeSantis will be term-limited out of the Florida Governorship in 2026 and has no clear exit ramp besides the Presidency or possibly Rick Scott's Senate seat (if he declines to run for re-election - he is currently 70, but sadly that's not even that old for a Senator these days). His popularity is currently as high as it will ever be, and Trump is a candidate with serious baggage and liabilities. He has every good reason to run in 2024 and will do so. He will also receive enormous support from Floridians and will be extremely competitive in the Florida GOP primary, likely edging Trump out in a close race.

 

[Samseau]

1) We do not live in an aristocracy. No man has a right to the Presidency. The very idea is insulting and antithetical to American values. Trump is not entitled to the Republican nomination. He's perfectly capable of winning it on his own merits and should be prepared to do so. Whining about DeSantis's running as "treachery" simply makes him look weak and pathetic. If he can't withstand a primary challenge then he sure as hell doesn't have the mettle to dismantle the Deep State.

Aristocracy? If someone is a friend to you, helps you succeed, and then you stab that same friend in the back for your own gain, that makes you a backstabber.

Who knows where DeSantis' loyalties lie? This has nothing to do with Trump being the anointed one, and everything to do with DeSantis' character. Loyalty is my #1 trait I look for in anyone, and DeSantis is severely lacking. Everyone knows DeSantis would not have won his first Governor bid without the Trump endorsement. DeSantis looks like a Romney.

2) DeSantis will be term-limited out of the Florida Governorship in 2026 and has no clear exit ramp besides the Presidency or possibly Rick Scott's Senate seat (if he declines to run for re-election - he is currently 70, but sadly that's not even that old for a Senator these days). His popularity is currently as high as it will ever be, and Trump is a candidate with serious baggage and liabilities. He has every good reason to run in 2024 and will do so. He will also receive enormous support from Floridians and will be extremely competitive in the Florida GOP primary, likely edging Trump out in a close race.

Actually this is not true. As a seasoned political strategist, I can tell you DeSantis would be much more popular in 2028. This is because after his term ends in 2026, he could then spend 2 years without any Governorship duties distracting him to campaign across the country. He could also singularly focus on his 2022-2026 term fully, come out with high popularity and accomplishments, and tout that on the campaign trail. It would also be FAR easier for the DeSantis staff to sell a young Governor with two successful terms and no baggage, then a Governor with 1.25 terms and a blatant betrayal of a former Republican president.

The fact DeSantis is trying to juggle two balls at once (running Florida, running for President) just means he's likely to come up short on both. His timing is horrible, and he's biting off more than he can chew, but, when millions are waived in someone's face it makes them do strange things.

 

[scorpion]

How can you consider yourself a "seasoned political strategist" if you don't understand that timing is everything when running for office?

By your logic, Obama should not have run against Hillary in 2008. I'm old enough and have been interested in politics long enough that I followed that election very closely. And I distinctly remember at that time MANY Democrats and media personalities making the EXACT same argument against Obama that you are currently making against DeSantis. It isn't his turn! He should wait until next time! Running against Hillary (Trump) is so presumptuous and ungrateful of him!

All of those objections were dumb then, and they're dumb now, because the most crucially important factor in Presidential politics is timing. You MUST strike while the iron is hot. DeSantis is hot now and he will NOT be hotter in 2028, I can assure you of that. Scott Walker, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush can also assure you of that, all of whom missed their windows of peak popularity as Presidential contenders and paid the price.

DeSantis is bolder and more intelligent than all of those men, and thus is he running when the time is right, despite the risk and uncertainty. And that is exactly the sort of courage and clear-headed thinking you want in a leader.

 

[Samseau]

How can you consider yourself a "seasoned political strategist" if you don't understand that timing is everything when running for office?

By your logic, Obama should not have run against Hillary in 2008. I'm old enough and have been interested in politics long enough that I followed that election very closely. And I distinctly remember at that time MANY Democrats and media personalities making the EXACT same argument against Obama that you are currently making against DeSantis. It isn't his turn! He should wait until next time! Running against Hillary (Trump) is so presumptuous and ungrateful of him!

Obama owed Hillary zero favors. He made his own way up the Democrat ladder. There was no betrayal.

All of those objections were dumb then, and they're dumb now, because the most crucially important factor in Presidential politics is timing. You MUST strike while the iron is hot. DeSantis is hot now and he will NOT be hotter in 2028, I can assure you of that. Scott Walker, Chris Christie and Jeb Bush can also assure you of that, all of whom missed their windows of peak popularity as Presidential contenders and paid the price.

DeSantis is bolder and more intelligent than all of those men, and thus is he running when the time is right, despite the risk and uncertainty. And that is exactly the sort of courage and clear-headed thinking you want in a leader.

Nah, he'd be much hotter in 2028, it's astoundingly poor judgement to think otherwise. He'd have a beautiful record and virtually no one to contest him. He could have followed the Reagan formula, who focused on California before going for the Presidency. Now he's probably going to have to fight for his life to beat someone like Ye (if DeSantis still has the heart to run again).

 

[Going strong]

Maybe the stupid "Democrats", blinded with hatred, will solve the whole riddle for us.

If they put the Donald behind bars, on ludicrous charges, either the Conservative people will revolt (at long, long last) and forcefully free D. Trump, or there'll be no vigorous revolt and therefore (Trump being sidelined) De Santis will be the good, logical remaining choice.

 

[BillMcNeal]

This week will be interesting. If Trump is arrested/indicted as is predicted, the absolute worst thing DeSantis could do is officially announce his candidacy. It's something that would look really smart to the 24/7 news channel crowd, but would leave a bad taste in the mouth of every Trump supporter (possibly being the first knock against DeSantis in the eyes of many), and DeSantis will never win the general election without them. I guess that will be the true test of how much of an establishment politician he really is, since most Republicans in that position are all too happy to lose.

Maybe the stupid "Democrats", blinded with hatred, will solve the whole riddle for us.

If they put the Donald behind bars, on ludicrous charges, either the Conservative people will revolt (at long, long last) and forcefully free D. Trump, or there'll be no vigorous revolt and therefore (Trump being sidelined) De Santis will be the good, logical remaining choice.

That's just silly. He won't be behind bars after being charged. They'll book him and release him on bail. He's not going to be held without bail on some bribery charge.

 

[get2choppaaa]

DeSantis is tone deaf on this one just like he was about Mara Lago.

Like him or not it will hurt him with middle class Americans in rural areas.

People expect Trump to be petty and a jerk. It's his persona.

It will not wear well for Ron. I now get why Donald called mom DeSanctimonious.


Ron looks like amateur hour to me.

 

[scorpion]

Trump shills are more upset at DeSantis for mentioning Trump paying hush money to a porn star than Trump for actually doing it in the first place. Weird ethical standards on the Trump train.

It's also bizarre these people think that DeSantis owes Trump anything at this point, given that Trump has been badmouthing DeSantis for the past year for literally no reason whatsoever, given that DeSantis is not even a declared Presidential candidate.

People need to seriously take a step back and ask themselves why they give Donald Trump a pass for behavior that they would find pathetic, distasteful and outright embarrassing in anyone else. Is it because you really think he's your champion fighting against the Deep State on your behalf? The guy who got totally outmaneuvered and politically neutered by his opponents, constantly undermined and betrayed by his handpicked subordinates (including his Jew son in law who ran his White House), was twice impeached and finally run out of Washington on a rail with his tail between his legs, tweeting all the way, and leaving his supporters in the lurch to face prison time? That guy? How did that work out for you? You really wanna go down that road again?

 

[RedLagoon]

I think it's mainly because Trump is extremely charismatic and enigmatic and it's easy to understand why people still like him while also being disappointed in him at the same time. People WANT to give him a second chance and see him succeed which I don't see happening with his hands still tied behind his back. The false accusations are actually helping him secure a victim status, many of his supporters will feel a strong bond again. Ultimately politics won't change a thing.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Trump shills are more upset at DeSantis for mentioning Trump paying hush money to a porn star than Trump for actually doing it in the first place. Weird ethical standards on the Trump train.

It's also bizarre these people think that DeSantis owes Trump anything at this point, given that Trump has been badmouthing DeSantis for the past year for literally no reason whatsoever, given that DeSantis is not even a declared Presidential candidate.

People need to seriously take a step back and ask themselves why they give Donald Trump a pass for behavior that they would find pathetic, distasteful and outright embarrassing in anyone else. Is it because you really think he's your champion fighting against the Deep State on your behalf? The guy who got totally outmaneuvered and politically neutered by his opponents, constantly undermined and betrayed by his handpicked subordinates (including his Jew son in law who ran his White House), was twice impeached and finally run out of Washington on a rail with his tail between his legs, tweeting all the way, and leaving his supporters in the lurch to face prison time? That guy? How did that work out for you? You really wanna go down that road again?

Thats all good and well, but what does it say about Ron DeSantis that his natural state is not to attack, and when he makes snide, scripted remarks it only results in his poll number drop. That line could be how he geinuinely feels. but why is he saying it now, why not years ago when he had to get support for Trump to not lose to a homosexual black man in florida?

People in general don't care about the Stormy Daniels. Trump is a sleezebag no doubt. No one ever honestly though otherwise. I think its contemptable behaviour on a personal/moral level.

I do think DeSantis is a genuinely good person and family man and I respect him for being a good father, and husband, he is a much much better example of this than Donald Trump.

You are a really bright guy, and while the below doesnt compute for you, it does for many many supporters of Trump and its irreconcible:

It is disengenous of DeSantis to attack Trump now while he is running in a race, when DeSantis needed his support to get on the map for Govenor to begin with. Everyone has known Trump to be a man whore for ever. I mean his affairs are documented and well known. So somehow it was ok to seek help for self interested poltiical motives, then, but now he's a scumbag all the sudden because you are focused on boosting your national attention.

See what DeSantis should have said is "I Think Trump is being persecuted over something that is purely politicall" and NOT one word more. That would help him significantly.

Instead he's gonna get a bloodbath in the polls. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this wrecks him.

No-one does better in the mud than Trump. Now he's really able to turn up the heat. It was a foolish move. Between the body language coaching, the hand gesture delivery, and the inflection all of that. He just looks incredibly scripted.

Again, For Trump supporters, who like DeSantis otherwise.... The thought is if DeSantis cant handle Trump, and getting through him, then how is there any future for his presidency if not to be aligned WITH him.

The narrative over the next week will shift to comparing DeSantis and Scott Walker. Good governance. Solid leadership at the state level, but not so much at the national level. It's a bad look to trash the guy who represents the will of the people, EVEN if you are right that Trump isnt actually doing any of the things the people want. Even if your sentiment about his inneffectiveness is true, and there is some truth to it for sure..... It doesnt change the perspective of the base and the people involved in the polls and primary.

ETA, its just not a politically astute move to go after Trump when he faces legal persecution over false accustations or fabricated charges. It helps lionize him. It's a bonehed move.

 

[Samseau]

Trump shills are more upset at DeSantis for mentioning Trump paying hush money to a porn star than Trump for actually doing it in the first place. Weird ethical standards on the Trump train.

It's also bizarre these people think that DeSantis owes Trump anything at this point, given that Trump has been badmouthing DeSantis for the past year for literally no reason whatsoever, given that DeSantis is not even a declared Presidential candidate.

People need to seriously take a step back and ask themselves why they give Donald Trump a pass for behavior that they would find pathetic, distasteful and outright embarrassing in anyone else. Is it because you really think he's your champion fighting against the Deep State on your behalf? The guy who got totally outmaneuvered and politically neutered by his opponents, constantly undermined and betrayed by his handpicked subordinates (including his Jew son in law who ran his White House), was twice impeached and finally run out of Washington on a rail with his tail between his legs, tweeting all the way, and leaving his supporters in the lurch to face prison time? That guy? How did that work out for you? You really wanna go down that road again?

Few people want the shill DeSantis, whose is obviously spouting fake news lies to try and build himself up at Trump's expense. You're supporting a fraud, because you are disappointed with Trump.

I get that Trump is flawed, but the way people are going to someone much worse than Trump is like a wife who is unhappy with her husband, causes a frivolous divorce, ends up being used by a string of men before becoming a cat lady.

Going from bad to worse is clearly illogical and shows deep emotional attachment to Trump. At least present a better candidate, sheesh!

 

[scorpion]

What you guys are saying would make sense IF Trump hadn't spent the past year sniping at DeSantis for literally NO REASON besides his own massive ego and insecurities. It's like a high school bully who's been tormenting his classmate all semester, then suddenly needs his help and whines when his former victim doesn't run to his side. Imagine that!

 

[Going strong]

That's just silly. He won't be behind bars after being charged. They'll book him and release him on bail. He's not going to be held without bail on some bribery charge.

So, Crooked Hillary doesn't get her "because he'd be in jail" revenge moment?

In any case, some fanatical, leftist judge could very well deny bail :

What about Flight Risk? Someone who has private jets and buildings bearing his good name all over the world, could fly abroad.

Plus, if the judge disrespects D. Trump during the legal hearing, the Donald might in turn mock or confront or even curse this leftist judge, and then it'd be Bail Denied, off to Epstein's cell with nappy guards and convenient hanging.

Also, I could bet that Trump, being courageous and dignified, will refuse to go to some random, unwarranted court hearing, and then, again, it's a case for denying him bail.

By the way, all this, it's because the worldwide Right allowed the Bolivian Left to throw right-wing president Jeanine in a dark medieval jail, with not a word of protest or sympathy. I knew then that the Global crooked leftist Establishment would go after Bolsonaro, Uribe, Trump, Du30 and ultimately Vlad, trying to jail them all on ludicrous charges.

The Right-Wing presidents of the world should have initiated the first strikes, jailing their adversaries. They had opportunities and means to do it. Now, their crooked Globalist leftist adversaries won't show mercy.

Regarding DeSantis, my question therefore would be :

If elected president, would DeSantis (or, his US State Attorney) vigorously prosecute his leftist opponents and somehow get them jailed for good? If so, he'll be a good, tough and efficient president indeed.