The Ron DeSantis Thread

[scorpion]

Secondly he's only going to fracture the base which is 100 percent what the Dems and Soros want. This is all obviously part of there agenda and something Soros openly spoke about. Doesn't mean Ron's in on it..But he would effectively create a Buchanan/Ross Perot type split among the Republican party IF he beat Trump.

Thirdly it's irrelevant what Donald would or wouldn't do as far as endorsements go. His base of voters will not show up and vote for the challenger who ousted him. They will stay home.

The only person capable of fracturing the Republican base is Donald Trump himself, by refusing to endorse DeSantis should he lose the primary, or worse, deciding to run as an Independent in the general election. Sadly, both of these potential outcomes are well-within the realm of possibility given what we know about Trump's fragile ego and well-documented pattern of vindictive and petty behavior. Conversely, if Trump defeats DeSantis in the primary, I have zero doubt that DeSantis would readily endorse Trump. As for Trump's hardcore base, they are not exactly known for their independent judgment and critical thinking skills (about what you would expect from a group consisting primarily of half-senile boomers, QAnon true believers and an assortment of credulous marks who can rationalize away all of Trump's glaring faults and failures). In the end, they'll do whatever their leader Trump tells them to do, because that is how the members of a personality cult behave.

 

[get2choppaaa]

The only person capable of fracturing the Republican base is Donald Trump himself, by refusing to endorse DeSantis should he lose the primary, or worse, deciding to run as an Independent in the general election. Sadly, both of these potential outcomes are well-within the realm of possibility given what we know about Trump's fragile ego and well-documented pattern of vindictive and petty behavior. Conversely, if Trump defeats DeSantis in the primary, I have zero doubt that DeSantis would readily endorse Trump. As for Trump's hardcore base, they are not exactly known for their independent judgment and critical thinking skills (about what you would expect from a group consisting primarily of half-senile boomers, QAnon true believers and an assortment of credulous marks who can rationalize away all of Trump's glaring faults and failures). In the end, they'll do whatever their leader Trump tells them to do, because that is how the members of a personality cult behave.

So what?

Ill accept your premise as correct...

Then what happens?

You really don't see how DeSantis not endorsing Trump falls in line to serve the divisional goal of the left towards Populism?

No. They won't just do what Trump says. Clearly you'd missed the 2020 senate campaigns where Trump told people to vote for Kelly lauffler (spell check) and Sonunuu.

He said vote for them yet we have 2 democrats in office. So they are a little more independent than you're giving them credit for.

Trump down ticket vs Trump endorsements are 2 different things.

 

[Papaya]

Firstly Ronald needs to hop in the race for Donald to do this. Right now he's doing book tours and bobbleheading his way in Israel, Japan and UK looking like mickey mouse. He needs to get better advisors and get serious IF he's gonna do this, and he needs to shift to the right/isolationist on the foreign wars and the Ukraine in order to get my vote.

Secondly he's only going to fracture the base which is 100 percent what the Dems and Soros want. This is all obviously part of there agenda and something Soros openly spoke about. Doesn't mean Ron's in on it..But he would effectively create a Buchanan/Ross Perot type split among the Republican party IF he beat Trump.

Thirdly it's irrelevant what Donald would or wouldn't do as far as endorsements go. His base of voters will not show up and vote for the challenger who ousted him. They will stay home.

We may not like the above three points... But they are all true.

I disagree. Just as there are huge blocks of “anybody but Trump” voters on the left / Dem side , there are as well , many many voters in the middle on and right who know the Dems have jumped the commie shark and will vote for the Republican nominee no matter what.

 

[scorpion]

You really don't see how DeSantis not endorsing Trump falls in line to serve the divisional goal of the left towards Populism?

Dude, why should DeSantis endorse Trump? Do you understand why parties even have primary elections to begin with and don't just simply coronate a candidate? The entire purpose to to allow the voters to express their judgment in regards to whom the superior candidate would be, which is a process that often takes time to figure out, as the candidates are forced to reveal more about their character, their personal history and their political views on the campaign trail.

You seem to be operating under the guiding principle that Donald Trump is OWED the Republican nomination for President. But this is not the case, and should never be the case under our system of government. If Trump can defeat DeSantis in the primary, then he has EARNED the nomination by EARNING the confidence of the majority of GOP primary voters. The same goes for DeSantis if he should win. Neither man is OWED the nomination. Trump is NOT an incumbent President at this point, so he should have to compete for the nomination the same as every other contender.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I disagree. Just as there are huge blocks of “anybody but Trump” voters on the left / Dem side , there are as well , many many voters in the middle on and right who know the Dems have jumped the commie shark and will vote for the Republican nominee no matter what.

thats fine but the math doesnt add up. Those voters are either staying at home or voting Left regardless.

You can look at the data analytics and see Trump actually does well with these "independent women" that might fit a majority of your sentiment. He also captures the rural whites/ the hispanics/ ect ect ect.

Here's three hours of math as to why....

Dude, why should DeSantis endorse Trump? Do you understand why parties even have primary elections to begin with and don't just simply coronate a candidate? The entire purpose to to allow the voters to express their judgment in regards to whom the superior candidate would be, which is a process that often takes time to figure out, as the candidates are forced to reveal more about their character, their personal history and their political views on the campaign trail.

You seem to be operating under the guiding principle that Donald Trump is OWED the Republican nomination for President. But this is not the case, and should never be the case under our system of government. If Trump can defeat DeSantis in the primary, then he has EARNED the nomination by EARNING the confidence of the majority of GOP primary voters. The same goes for DeSantis if he should win. Neither man is OWED the nomination. Trump is NOT an incumbent President at this point, so he should have to compete for the nomination the same as every other contender.

Dude, spare me the rhetorical "do you even understand" garbage... It's not persuasive and only serves to alienate someone from meeting in the middle...which isn't really your point since you like to win over convincing people.

You've rushed to mischaracterize my comments. I personally WANT Ronald to run against Donald. been saying that 20 + pages ago.

Youre mischaracterizing what I've said... you should apologize if you're being intellectually honest. But no matter...

I'll reiterate my point, since I'm clearly very dense....:

You're championing a guy who doesn't have the convefe to announce, bobbles his head in Japan, gets yawned out of UK, and singes hate speech bills in Israel affecting Floridians. I get it, he's a great gov... one day he will be a great president. But he's not earned my vote yet. I need multiple assurances he isn't gonna pull a w and champion isolationism only to wind up in a war. He doesn't have the record of denouncing foreign intervention such that I'm willing to pounce on that.

You seem to not have read any of the times I said, going back like 20 pages or so ago. or in the last page or above in this post....I welcome Ron getting in. Lets not distill our conversations into inaccurate caricatures of past comments. I think we are both too acerbic for that to be the approach. Please spare me the commentary like I dont understand what a primary is or how this works. I watched it in 2015/2016 also in 2012/2008/2000 and am not clueless.... I'm not saying the following to pull the life experience or veteran card on you... but I will say I was overseas fighting in a war in 2016 when Donald was elected and I happen to be particularly aware of the difference between a president who's pro-war vs a non-interventionist president. RDS does nothing for that for me. I've said this in multiple posts and you brush by it. Of course thats the common sense thing to do... but it doesnt change that RDS is part of that establishment and many veterans like myself have that view of him accordingly (there are other well established veterans posting on this forum who have said as much.... )

Re RDS entering the race. I hope he does, it only pushes Donald further to the right and I am all about it. I've said it repeatedly. I HOPE HE GETS IN. No one is owed anything. I just don't see YOUR guy being the one to be the mantle barer. The fact remains that RDS doest turn out non-participant voters like I get that seems foreign to you because you've divested yourself of Trump and anyone who continues to back him is a cultist... but honestly that doesnt HAVE to be the case.

One could just simply be skeptical of a Governor who buckled on immigration after making a PR stunt and sending them to Kamala's house after having threats of investigation and conveniently pivoting to a hurricane in his state (for which he uses the wailing wall prayer as a reason for it getting him through) AND having a career in the ivy leagues and a .mil background. Compare that to crippled fascist Abbot who's sending illegals to Chicago daily and has been doing so for months. OR has Ken Paxton (one of the top gov officials in ALL us gov) getting things done for the state.

I'm sure youre much smarter than me.... so make sense of it for me: You've got a guy whos a money raising behemoth, who's gotten 75 million votes in a general election, and is a proven leader, whom avoided getting us into additional foreign wars and make efforts in rebuilding our economy/infastructure/military/ et all. To the point they had to use bioweapons to destroy him after multiple deep state coup attempts.

Why would I walk away from that guy, who still is pissing vinegar to support a governor that I have doubts about? Again... he is welcome to enter the debate. I hope he does. If he goes far isolationist...I'm listening. I honestly hope he runs because I will, and go back many pages ago to reaffirm my point, enjoy the heck out of watching him getting Jebbed. Bigly...

 

[Wutang]

No. They won't just do what Trump says. Clearly you'd missed the 2020 senate campaigns where Trump told people to vote for Kelly lauffler (spell check) and Sonunuu.

Trump's base voted for Loeffler in GA. The problem is that she was seen as a Trump candidate which inspired tons of people who are not in Trump's base in a now purple Georgia to vote against her so you could say that this yet another example of Trump's endorsement ruining yet another winnable election for the GOP. This is pretty much what will happen with Trump himself in the general election where you'll have independents and Democrats voting. He'll bring out the MAGA vote but he'll also bring out a bunch of voters with TDS that might otherwise vote for a more "normal" GOP candidate or wouldn't vote at all. Sleepy Joe by himself relying on his own qualities isn't going to bring out these sort of voters to vote for him but if Trump is his opponent then it will fire these voters to come out to vote for Biden.

 

[Wutang]

How DeSantis gave Democrats the ‘session from hell’

Florida Republicans fuel DeSantis’ likely 2024 bid.

www.politico.com

And it revealed a powerful governor at the zenith of his sway. DeSantis’ allies in the Legislature delivered nearly everything he asked for, whether it was imposing new regulations on Disney or a law designed to block China from buying land in Florida.

DeSantis successfully pushed Republican lawmakers to fulfill his conservative agenda, and legislators acknowledged that DeSantis is emerging from the session with a checklist that is unrivaled by other recent Florida governors. If the governor worried at any point that his conservative victories could become liabilities with moderate Republican voters or in a general election, he did not show it — choosing instead to push for every last bill lawmakers would pass.

But most of the focus remained squarely on DeSantis’ and his legislative wish list. Lawmakers not only gave DeSantis what he wanted on a long line of culture war issues, they also agreed to change state law so he does not have to resign if he becomes the Republican nominee for president. The GOP also used its supermajority to pass a bill shielding his travel records from public scrutiny.

DeSantis on Friday touted several education proposals that Republican lawmakers passed this session, highlighted by legislators expanding the state’s parental rights law by broadening the policies labeled “Don’t Say Gay” by critics

 

[get2choppaaa]

Trump's base voted for Loeffler in GA. The problem is that she was seen as a Trump candidate which inspired tons of people who are not in Trump's base in a now purple Georgia to vote against her so you could say that this yet another example of Trump's endorsement ruining yet another winnable election for the GOP. This is pretty much what will happen with Trump himself in the general election where you'll have independents and Democrats voting. He'll bring out the MAGA vote but he'll also bring out a bunch of voters with TDS that might otherwise vote for a more "normal" GOP candidate or wouldn't vote at all. Sleepy Joe by himself relying on his own qualities isn't going to bring out these sort of voters to vote for him but if Trump is his opponent then it will fire these voters to come out to vote for Biden.

Löffler also did some insider trading as COVID became a deal and wouldn't endorse looking into the voter fraud so no, she didn't get the support needed to get her over the margin of fraud.

She was pretty much unelectable after that even though Trump did go to GA and tell people to vote ... Because there wasn't voter signature match it but only a recount...the whole thing was a sham.

I think the election fraud in Dekalb and Fulton county were more of an issue that anything Trump did or didn't do... Ballot boxes been removed ECT and random pipes bursting ... But hey ... That's just what I remember from 2020/2021

 

[scorpion]

Billionaire Says He’ll Back DeSantis, Suggests One Part Of His Campaign Needs To Change | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I thought this was funny and revealing:

Thiel’s comments come as at least two other billionaire donors have soured on DeSantis. For instance, billionaire Thomas Peterffy said in a recent interview with the Financial Times that he was ceasing donations to the governor due to his perceived opinion on abortion and other issues.
“I have put myself on hold. Because of his stance on abortion and book banning,” he told The Financial Times, without elaborating on what books were actually banned or their content. “Myself, and a bunch of friends, are holding our powder dry,” Peterffy said, without elaborating.

Some conservatives have sounded the alarm that some school libraries allow books that contain pornographic content such as, “Gender Queer: A Memoir.” DeSantis has signed a law that is designed to give parents more say over the books in Florida classrooms and granted them the ability to object sexually explicit or pornographic content. The governor has also signed legislation to ban abortion after a heartbeat can be detected.

Another billionaire, John Catsimatidis, said he has reservations about DeSantis, claiming in a recent interview that the governor has not returned his phone calls. “Why would I support somebody to become president of the United States that doesn’t return phone calls?” he told the Washington Examiner in a recent interview.

I was told repeatedly in this thread that DeSantis is a GOP hack who is a slave to his billionaire donors, and yet here he is, refusing to change his stance on abortion to please his donors, and apparently not even bothering to return their phone calls. It's almost as if many of DeSantis's critics have been and remain completely mistaken about the man.

Also, that quote from Catsimatidis is hilariously tone deaf in itself in how it speaks to the typical corruption of Washington, and the degree to which the billionaire class feel entitled to exert control over our political system. Not only is the guy is literally outraged that he can't get a potential future President on the phone at will, he is so out of touch that he feels no shame in airing this frustration publicly, apparently blind to what that says both about him and the current pathetic state of American politics.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Billionaire Says He’ll Back DeSantis, Suggests One Part Of His Campaign Needs To Change | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I thought this was funny and revealing:



I was told repeatedly in this thread that DeSantis is a GOP hack who is a slave to his billionaire donors, and yet here he is, refusing to change his stance on abortion to please his donors, and apparently not even bothering to return their phone calls. It's almost as if many of DeSantis's critics have been and remain completely mistaken about the man.

Also, that quote from Catsimatidis is hilariously tone deaf in itself in how it speaks to the typical corruption of Washington, and the degree to which the billionaire class feel entitled to exert control over our political system. Not only is the guy is literally outraged that he can't get a potential future President on the phone at will, he is so out of touch that he feels no shame in airing this frustration publicly, apparently blind to what that says both about him and the current pathetic state of American politics.

Could it not just be that because he's not doing well in the polls the billionaire donors are using his abortion stance a means to dump him?

This is something Barnes posited in his interview with Barris this week at least.

 

[scorpion]

Could it not just be that because he's not doing well in the polls the billionaire donors are using his abortion stance a means to dump him?

This is something Barnes posited in his interview with Barris this week at least.

Barnes and Baris are both completely in the tank for Trump. Their analysis is about as objective as Samseau's. If you're basing your political understanding on guys like that, you're going to be easily misled, because they're financially incentivized to push an anti-DeSantis message (whether that entails receiving money directly from the Trump campaign, or simply from grifting off the Trump base - they're smart enough to know where their bread is buttered).

And to answer your question: no, because a billionaire donor doesn't need an excuse to dump a candidate if he suddenly thinks he's a loser. Being seen as a loser is more than sufficient reason itself for money to start drying up right away, because billionaires view political donations as investments and want them to pay off. But most donors don't see DeSantis as a loser, because they're playing for the long game and are politically astute enough to understand that national polling data is meaningless at this point in a race. We can be confident that these donors probably do not spend much time listening to Barnes and Baris.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Firstly Ronald needs to hop in the race for Donald to do this. Right now he's doing book tours and bobbleheading his way in Israel, Japan and UK looking like mickey mouse. He needs to get better advisors and get serious IF he's gonna do this, and he needs to shift to the right/isolationist on the foreign wars and the Ukraine in order to get my vote.

Secondly he's only going to fracture the base which is 100 percent what the Dems and Soros want. This is all obviously part of there agenda and something Soros openly spoke about. Doesn't mean Ron's in on it..But he would effectively create a Buchanan/Ross Perot type split among the Republican party IF he beat Trump.

Thirdly it's irrelevant what Donald would or wouldn't do as far as endorsements go. His base of voters will not show up and vote for the challenger who ousted him. They will stay home.

We may not like the above three points... But they are all true.

Shadow presidential campaign or not, it's not at all uncommon or illegitimate for state governors to travel overseas while in office. States have direct trade ties with foreign countries, etc. Don't recall the details but I remember reading late May/early June is the most likely time for an official campaign announcement, something to do with Florida's legislative calendar IIRC.

Why would the vast majority of Trump's voters not support RDS if Trump tells them to? I think the infighting is mostly on Twitter and the like anyway and the vast majority of the base is open to supporting their second choice in the general, but Trump isn't owed the nomination and if he loses the primary and provokes a split that's 100% on him.

Both men should be willing to endorse the other should they lose the primary. Either is far preferable to the left remaining in the White House. Ideally, both would pledge to do so ahead of time but Trump wouldn't even do that in 2016 so certainly won't now.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Trump's base voted for Loeffler in GA. The problem is that she was seen as a Trump candidate which inspired tons of people who are not in Trump's base in a now purple Georgia to vote against her so you could say that this yet another example of Trump's endorsement ruining yet another winnable election for the GOP. This is pretty much what will happen with Trump himself in the general election where you'll have independents and Democrats voting. He'll bring out the MAGA vote but he'll also bring out a bunch of voters with TDS that might otherwise vote for a more "normal" GOP candidate or wouldn't vote at all. Sleepy Joe by himself relying on his own qualities isn't going to bring out these sort of voters to vote for him but if Trump is his opponent then it will fire these voters to come out to vote for Biden.

A more instructive Senate endorsement is Oz. Guy is an out and out leftist (had gone on his show promoting "trans kids" just a year or 2 earlier) and was a horrible candidate, he didn't even live in Pennsylvania. Yet Trump endorsed him in the GOP primary because....I'm not sure why exactly other than the ego trip of having a fellow TV celebrity brown nosing him. He picked Oz out of a primary field that had 2* other excellent candidates: Dave McCormick, who I don't agree with on everything (a bit too neocon for my liking but not nearly to the extent of a Lindsey Graham type) but who is a patriot with a great resume and would have won by 10, or Kathy Barnett who was the strongest MAGA candidate of the 3 and likely to beat Fetterman in the general albeit less of a sure thing than McCormick. Endorsing either of them would have launched that person to victory in the primary and ultimately kept that seat red, yet Trump went with Oz. Great character judgement.


(* - it was actually 3 other candidates--Sean Parnell was the early front runner and best of the bunch, but dropped out because the communist judge overseeing his divorce case basically threatened to never let him see his kids again if he didn't--this was before Trump made an endorsement so can't blame him for that one)

 

[Papaya]

Shadow presidential campaign or not, it's not at all uncommon or illegitimate for state governors to travel overseas while in office. States have direct trade ties with foreign countries, etc. Don't recall the details but I remember reading late May/early June is the most likely time for an official campaign announcement, something to do with Florida's legislative calendar IIRC.

Why would the vast majority of Trump's voters not support RDS if Trump tells them to? I think the infighting is mostly on Twitter and the like anyway and the vast majority of the base is open to supporting their second choice in the general, but Trump isn't owed the nomination and if he loses the primary and provokes a split that's 100% on him.

Both men should be willing to endorse the other should they lose the primary. Either is far preferable to the left remaining in the White House. Ideally, both would pledge to do so ahead of time but Trump wouldn't even do that in 2016 so certainly won't now.

Correct. Its all part of the show.

Look at Kamala and Biden. She called him a "despicable racist" during a debate and she end up being VP (vice puppet)

 

[budoslavic]

So she's mad about the insurance company increasing premiums so it can afford to pay out in the case of claims. But then she's also mad that the insurance company is insolvent and can't afford to pay out claims? Huh?

The Florida home insurance industry has been a dumpster fire of fraud and lawsuits for at least the past two decades. If you're trying to blame that on DeSantis, you might as well go ahead and try to blame him for the hurricanes themselves (why not? It might work, people seem to be that dumb these days).

I'll have to admit I sided with the insurance company on this too. It sucks to have a $105k premium for home insurance, but if you buy an expensive house in an area that's highly prone to storm damage, the insurance company is going to have to set premiums to cover the risk and the cost of claims, and make a profit doing so. Or worse still, the government will have to do it on a supposedly non-profit basis, with a corrupt, bloated, woke bureaucracy that bleeds the taxpayers white, and still is forced to charge high premiums.

Are you guys talking about Citizens Insurance or private insurance carriers?

1. Citizens Insurance is overseen by the State of Florida. It is a state-created insurer.
2. The Citizens Insurance's Board of Governors is overseen by the Governor of Florida.
3. For some reason, DeSantis commented last March that Citizens Insurance is "not been solvent". What exactly did he mean by this?

DeSantis Turns Heads with Comment that Citizens Insurance 'Not Solvent;' Board Approves Cat Bond

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis raised some questions Friday when he suggested that Citizens Property Insurance Corp., the state-created insurer, has "not been

www.insurancejournal.com

4. DeSantis "has handed favors to his big-money donors in the insurance industry at the expense of cash-strapped residents of his state". Whoopsies...that is not good for the Florida's homeowners. They're royally screwed.

DeSantis accused of favoring insurance-industry donors at residents’ expense

Florida governor has ‘lavished the industry with favors and benefits while everyday Floridians suffer’, key report says

www.theguardian.com

Ron DeSantis Has Raked in $3.9 Million From Insurance Industry, New Report Reveals

The governor has overseen a dramatic rise in home insurance premiums and legislative giveaways to insurance companies.

theintercept.com

5. Floridians are paying premium coverages for their damaged home. A home insurance bill that skyrocketed from $8,000 in 2022 to $105,000 in 2023 like the example below, it reeks defraud.

 

[scorpion]

The Florida insurance market has been screwy for a long time, and the problems have been exacerbated in recent years by the massive inflation of property values in Florida post-COVID along with the fallout from Hurricane Ian. Trying to lay the problem at the feet of DeSantis is not really fair, as it's literally a systemic issue at this point, with a lot of moving parts that need to be fixed, most of which are heavily guarded by deeply-entrenched and well-connected special interests in the construction and legal industries. If you want a better understanding of the problem, read below:

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/06/1127083845/hurricane-ian-florida-property-insurance

The big reason Florida insurance companies are failing isn’t just hurricane risk – it’s fraud and lawsuits

Shahid S. Hamid, professor of finance at FIU writes about Florida insurance companies in The Conversation.

news.fiu.edu

 

[get2choppaaa]

Welllllll....0-1

 

[Going strong]

Or 0-0.

 

[Parmesan]

A more instructive Senate endorsement is Oz. Guy is an out and out leftist (had gone on his show promoting "trans kids" just a year or 2 earlier) and was a horrible candidate, he didn't even live in Pennsylvania. Yet Trump endorsed him in the GOP primary because....I'm not sure why exactly other than the ego trip of having a fellow TV celebrity brown nosing him. He picked Oz out of a primary field that had 2* other excellent candidates: Dave McCormick, who I don't agree with on everything (a bit too neocon for my liking but not nearly to the extent of a Lindsey Graham type) but who is a patriot with a great resume and would have won by 10, or Kathy Barnett who was the strongest MAGA candidate of the 3 and likely to beat Fetterman in the general albeit less of a sure thing than McCormick. Endorsing either of them would have launched that person to victory in the primary and ultimately kept that seat red, yet Trump went with Oz. Great character judgement.


(* - it was actually 3 other candidates--Sean Parnell was the early front runner and best of the bunch, but dropped out because the communist judge overseeing his divorce case basically threatened to never let him see his kids again if he didn't--this was before Trump made an endorsement so can't blame him for that one)

Fetterman won by like 4 or 5 points, it wasn't really close. Their Dem governor handily beat Mastriano, who was a right leaning MAGA type (hired Torba/Gab at one point for PR), so I don't think it's safe to assume the conservative electorate was just waiting for the right candidate, they didn't come out for Mastriano. You could look at it the other way, and say Republicans put up their own objectively liberal candidate and STILL couldn't beat the leftist NPC voter cult. Fetterman was a literal retard, he had the most embarrassing prime time debate performance in televised history, yet Democrats showed up to vote against the "evil Republican", Oprah's buddy, Dr. Oz. Democrats always do this. They say they would vote Republican "if only they ran a moderate", but they still fear monger and call anyone that opposes them a Nazi. Liberals in CA all say they hate Newsom, yet they come out and vote like loyal NPCs every. single. time. I agree they should have just run a true conservative, but I don't think they would have won considering how many people still voted for brain dead Fetterman against a Republican candidate (Oz) that was basically being offered up as a giant concession to the left in the first place. At very least the liberal turn out should have low due to Fetterman's weakness. PA is a blue state now, we caught them sleeping in 2016, but the demographics are different now, and the Dem ballot machine go brrrr.

 

[Enoch]

^ Neither one could endorse the white guy who advocated for farmers and the working class? (Ryan Quarles)

We deserve what we get.