DeSantis' Jewish handlers are spending a lot of money for his campaign. By now, I think it's safe to say the campaign is not very cash-efficient as his polling is weak. He was supposed to be a serious contender against Trump and that is simply not panning out that way. People are not sold. Vivek on the other hand is evidently grooming himself to be Trump's VP by never criticizing him and appropriating many of his policies and rhetoric. I think this is a foolish move, but he believes that it will work for him in the long run.
The Ron DeSantis Thread
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DeSantis' Jewish handlers are spending a lot of money for his campaign. By now, I think it's safe to say the campaign is not very cash-efficient as his polling is weak. He was supposed to be a serious contender against Trump and that is simply not panning out that way. People are not sold. Vivek on the other hand is evidently grooming himself to be Trump's VP by never criticizing him and appropriating many of his policies and rhetoric. I think this is a foolish move, but he believes that it will work for him in the long run.
More likely a cabinet pick than VP.
But Vivek is playing it smart... And he's not given any reason for Trump to have to dump on him... So he likely won't. I think @scorpion accurately said it that once you dig in on Vivek... He doesn't stand up to criticism....but he is very good with the rhetoric. His campaign is here to raise his stake on the national stage for some future benefit...and he'll have not issue capitulating to Trump down the road.
DeSantis may indeed be an effective governor, but honestly his timing was so poor, mostly due to the energy behemoth that is Trump and getting caught in between the MAGA movement (the biggest political movement of our lifetime) and their love for Trump and his repeated missteps in messaging, and consultants taking money hand over fist....all culminated in the destruction of his brand.
It was avoidable, but honestly I think he got caught in the 2012 Chris Christie trap and thought that this was his moment... Then like Arnold gave Franco bad "advices" he got talked so far into it that it was too late.
Regardless of what polls say (heavily biased), I think Vivek is the second strongest candidate besides Trump in the GOP. He could get VP or he might settle for cabinet position depending on circumstances but I think it's fair to assume it would be one or the other at this point.
It's funny, even the RFK Jr psy op is losing steam. I'm noticing less people talk about him and let's be honest, I don't think the DNC ever had any plans of nominating him. It was pure publicity which really says a lot about the system by now that they are willing to put up a guy to deliberately introduce conspiracy theories on vaccines, assassinations, etc. I think they call this 'revealing the method' or some form of deliberate predictive programming. They are controlling the opposition well with all of these candidates by telling some truths but of course mixed in with lies and manipulation as expected. It's sad because you really want to believe that RFK Jr is genuinely standing up for his murdered family, but when you realize he is controlled by the very deep state that assassinated his own family. That is some deep trauma man.
It's easy to say that his timing was bad in hindsight (especially at this juncture), but if he'd waited until 2028 there's no guarantee his timing would have been any better. DeSantis was basically at his zenith when he decided to run in 2022 (remember he'd just won re-election by 20 points in a swing state and was the most popular and well-known Republican Governor in the country); but in 2028 he'd be two years out of office and out of the spotlight, and he doesn't have the charisma to easily stay relevant if he isn't actively in government. He's the sort of politician who has to run on a record of accomplishment, not his personality. He would have been forced to cozy up even closer to the donor class than he is now to maintain his relevance and connections over that time. All things considered, he obviously thought the iron would be hottest in 2024 and so that would be the right time to strike. I can't fault him for taking his shot, I would have done the same thing in his position.
I really think this entire race comes down to the indictments. If the Dems had just left Trump alone rather than intentionally turning him into a martyr, I think we'd be looking at a much closer race than we are now. DeSantis was always going to be forced to thread the needle between the MAGA base and the Trump-fatigued wing of the party, which was a difficult proposition to begin with. But with the indictments and the invigorating effect they've had on moderate Trump supporters, he's currently boxed in to an almost impossible situation. How are you supposed to win a primary against a guy who you basically can't criticize whatsoever? (Both because he enjoys the sympathy of most of the party and because you share the same natural constituency/voters).
I think Vivek is playing the long game, if he figured he can find an opening now in a fractured Republican Party or in 4 or 8 years he could find a spot part of a future cabinet or whatnot
Hell it’s just a sign that we are going to get more and more irt. They will always keep coming
Hell it’s just a sign that we are going to get more and more irt. They will always keep coming
This may be the last presidential election in America. If they do bluebeam before 2028, all bets are off.
I think there's a significant amount of validity to this. He's very formulaic and does well with high IQ people. questions like, what is your policy on XYZ he answers very well... "we are gonna do x and here's why ...." I like his answers when he does this.
I've obviously made my assessment of the personality type very clear... but objectively I do think he is a good governor and if I was a Floridian I'd be proud of him.
The issue is that the American public is so heavily drawn by Pathos (over Ethos or Logos) that a failure to connect, when compared to a candidate that is a rhetorical genius (Like Trump or Huey Long types) they're destined for failure. Trump is a once in a lifetime type candidate, we will likely not see another independently wealthy figure repeat what he has done due to the way he's been butchered by the 5th column of the press and the establishment.
I think DeSantis honestly thought he had a shot to debate with Trump on a stage... and garner the same level of appeal that was so freely given to Trump because of his successes in Florida (though as a Texan, they were pretty much the same policies across the board....) but he failed to realize that the base he owes allegiance to wants Trump, and its personal to them. It may be irrational to many on this board, and many other educated folks.... but to the 20-30% of voter base of the republican party that is die hard Trump.... that's it.
He made a gamble that pissing off MAGA by challenging Trump would be ok.... and sure... he cant control the indictments.... but as long as Trump's around... theres no way anyone is gonna beat him.... so again, it was quite short sighted to think that alienating a radically motivated group in the Primary season was an intelligent move.
This is all true. Maybe he thought its now or never.... but discretion is the better part of valor and I would have thought that as calculating has he is... he would have seen that he was on the fast tract for the 2028 coronation via MAGA. That's my biggest thing I just dont get. Now its likely because I am not in the rooms with the donors and the people telling him things... but it seemed like so much wasted opportunity for him here.
I think it's generally good for candidates to run as early as possible. Quite often an earlier shot at the presidency increases name recognition the next time around.
Nixon ran in 60, and won later. Reagan ran in 76 and won later. Mondale was a second tier candidate in 76, and the Dem nominee in 84. Bush Sr. ran and ended up as VP before he won. Dole and McCain were primary losers before they won the republican nomination in 96 and 08. Same with Al Gore and John Kerry. Previous campaign experience tends to lead to a stronger effort the next time around.
I think DeSantis has raised his profile by coming out early in this race, and I don't think he'll be hurt in the long run for challenging Trump.
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I agree with most of this but he shouldn't touch Andrew Tate with a 10ft pole.
Why then the vitriol towards him from Trump influencers? Why is he expected to be "loyal" to Trump when people like Nikki Haley, who literally worked for Trump, aren't?
I don't think "wait until 2028" was ever a viable strategy, for one thing Trump is likely to keep running until he either wins or dies (or is in prison), for another if RDS didn't run this time and Trump were to somehow win the general election his heir apparent would be whoever he picked as VP, not DeSantis (and the Constitution makes it effectively impossible for DeSantis himself to be Trump's VP unless Trump were to declare residency in a different state, which his ego would not have allowed him to do).
Nobody owes Trump loyalty, he didn't show his base loyalty when he turned the country over to Fauci (and continues to defend doing so)...and DeSantis doesn't need the relatively small number of Trump diehards, he just needs to clear the field of non-Trump votes which will get him to around 50% and then work on chipping away at the less committed Trump supporters from there. The question is whether he'll be able to do so quickly enough before Trump reaches critical mass of support, which is basically how he won against a fractured field in 2016. He needs to kill it at the debate this week, if he does that then the next task is winning Iowa.
Keep in mind 8 years ago today Trump was polling at 1-2%. Not saying it's the same exact situation, just that it's still very early.
"Wait until 2024" was what we were saying to Ted Cruz back in 2016. It doesn't work that way. DeSantis is in the right to make a move now. If Trump had done everything he said he would've done then we wouldn't even be having this debate.
So much time until first votes cast in Iowa. I hate polls. Hated them before this cycle and like others have mentioned think they should be banned. They can be paid for and a desired outcome can be had which can then effect low IQ normie types who go for the alleged consensus candidate. They're so Jewish.
But this is the world we live in and the Trump camp seems to love them (except for the ones that show 60% of voters will never vote for him) so below is a Dem Moines register (gold standard) poll from today:
What the below doesn't show is that Desantis' favorability is 66% and Trumps 64% with Trump having 4% more unfavorable so basically the same. Also doesn't show that about 60% of both candidates are not locked into their guy. So, significant change is still possible. There's like 160+ days until Iowa votes. Desantis will have almost shaken every voters hand by then. Trump is effectively not campaigning; going with the bunker strategy (worked for Biden and Hobbs I guess). Rare does the leader at this point in the race go on to win Iowa so a big lead now is meaningless. Unless Desantis chokes tomorrow night in the debate (all will be attacking him so anything's possible) I suspect further tightening; Trump's refusal to debate + a strong Desantis performance would do that. Regarding below, if Trump had a 23 point lead with a few days left until election day that would be great, but again having that lead at this point means nothing. Giuliani, Perry, Thompson, Jeb, Walker can confirm.
If Desantis does not win Iowa it is over unless he can somehow go on to win NH and I only add that because that's what McCain did. But if he does win Iowa and then NH it's game on. We'll see!
Time will tell and it's all up to God. He's sovereign and whoever he's chosen will win. I would be content winning back Congress (both Houses) and Biden getting re-elected (Trump in my view has a 0% chance in the general).
But this is the world we live in and the Trump camp seems to love them (except for the ones that show 60% of voters will never vote for him) so below is a Dem Moines register (gold standard) poll from today:
What the below doesn't show is that Desantis' favorability is 66% and Trumps 64% with Trump having 4% more unfavorable so basically the same. Also doesn't show that about 60% of both candidates are not locked into their guy. So, significant change is still possible. There's like 160+ days until Iowa votes. Desantis will have almost shaken every voters hand by then. Trump is effectively not campaigning; going with the bunker strategy (worked for Biden and Hobbs I guess). Rare does the leader at this point in the race go on to win Iowa so a big lead now is meaningless. Unless Desantis chokes tomorrow night in the debate (all will be attacking him so anything's possible) I suspect further tightening; Trump's refusal to debate + a strong Desantis performance would do that. Regarding below, if Trump had a 23 point lead with a few days left until election day that would be great, but again having that lead at this point means nothing. Giuliani, Perry, Thompson, Jeb, Walker can confirm.
If Desantis does not win Iowa it is over unless he can somehow go on to win NH and I only add that because that's what McCain did. But if he does win Iowa and then NH it's game on. We'll see!
Time will tell and it's all up to God. He's sovereign and whoever he's chosen will win. I would be content winning back Congress (both Houses) and Biden getting re-elected (Trump in my view has a 0% chance in the general).
Naw... no one cares how many babies he kisses or hands he shakes.
Trump snubbing the debates is a smart move. It denies the second tier candidates an ability to share his aura and stage presence, and attention, AND further solidifies that he is the front runner and the rest are all lapping his table scraps like dogs at the master's feet.
Suggesting the Trump campaign is in the same vein as Guliani or Fred "Rack em and Stack em" Thompson is an incomplete comparission and a total misjudgment of circumstance. Guliani ran a terrible campaign and bet everything on Florida. He was foolish. Thompson didnt really want to run, he had no fire in his belly (I was a big Thompson supporter, second to Alan Keys whom I liked the most at the time)
There is ZERO comparison to anything like Trump in our lifetime. Maybe Huey Long or George Wallace... but thats about as close as it gets.
Trump loses only if he is dead.
No one is going to watch the debate tomorrow. I'll predict that all the candidates will go on to attack Trump, and only Vivek will defend him. DeSantis will get further Bodied by an Inidian Demon worshipper because of the corner he's painted himself into.
When Trump wins Iowa, and New Hampshire what then?
At first I thought it was a Hunt for Red October reference but looked it up and it was Die Hard 2. NICE!
There's a debate tomorrow?
haha ... glad you got found it. For an East Texas Aggie...I get around.
Some time this week. No one will care. MSM will go on about it, but practically no-one outside of folks who write about it for a living will care.
Zero "current Trump" supporters will watch and be swayed.
So its a self licking ice cream cone. DeSimps will love all his posturing. Vivek India Cucks will love his defense. Christie donut Tards will love his comments.... ect ect... I might watch just to see Mike Pence crap himself on tv.
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The outcome of a Republican Congress and Biden winning is World War 3 which will almost certainly go nuclear.
The Executive branch staff driving the Biden admin are State Department which is run by Neocons Warmongers. The senior Republican leadership like Lindsey Graham also all want war; recall Lindsey's comment that the war spent in Ukraine is the best money ever spent.
Only one thing can prevent the eventual collapse of the US government these policies will cause: mass firings of the incompetent, single issue ideologues who populate the foreign policy agencies. That in turn can only happen by putting a reform candidate in office regardless of that person's personal ideology.
I think that self-preservation, in other words ego, protects us against nuclear war no matter what. The elites will also lose everything in such a scenario. It will be even more stalemate in the situation you mentioned. Just more funds and propaganda, maybe a covert attack on Russian interests here and there. (And nukes also prevents a conventional weapons WW3)
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It does not. The current thought among the NeoCons is that Russia will never dare use nuclear weapons.