The Russian-Ukrainian War of 2022 (News and battle updates)

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
I'd also say it's quite easy for us to make comments safely from our computers whilst men in country are dealing with the reality of being in a warzone.

There are countless motivations for service and I'm sure a majority of the military is not Nazi... There are professional soldiers/Marines who have been doing the bulk of the killing of Russians who would not do the nasty things the Azov types did.

There's also an outlier of sickos who have no problem torturing others for fun.

The Azov crowd is very similar to the SS in WW2 Germany or the Bolsheviks on the Soviet side, they are the political enforcers within the ranks of the regular army. The bolshies for instance would shoot in the back any Russians who refused to attack in human waves, There is no question that many more Ukrainians would have deserted or surrendered had those political enforcers not been present within their ranks. Mariupol for instance would have been over a month ago without the Azov ideological element.

Also their hateful barbaric outlook in for example the torture and execution of Russian POWs probably seeped through to some regular units, they are the cultural drivers in their war, setting the tone. Those white ISIS ads with psychotic women slashing POWs throats are part and parcel of the ideological message.


The dimwits keep switching back and forth between the 'NATO BTFO'd out of Afghanistan, fake tranny countries with pozzed degenerate military, West is OVER just wait until they'll square off with the scary Russians' line and the 'NATO supersoldiers leading the defence of Ukraine, Russia military setbacks mostly due to foreign interference from the West' shtick.

The 180 backflips are hilarious to watch. Just casually changing gears as if noone notices

Try to at least keep some sort of consistency, as difficult as it may be.

NATO provides a whole lot of added value, especially with intelligence and satellite info, as well as some big tactical operations like the sinking of the Moskva. They can delay the outcome, raise the cost to Russia, but ultimately they cannot prevent the ultimate defeat of Ukraine.

Meanwhile the 'special operation' is now in month 3 with the cauldron closing at a snail's pace and at least another 2 to 3 months the clear the cauldron once that is done.

You're looking at the map of the biggest country in Europe, and a progress of several kms/day against a very heavily fortified defensive position that they have spent years setting up, that is solid progress, but it might not look that impressive on a large map.

Also you're ignoring the fact that there are crucial political considerations here which are slowing down the Russian progress, mainly the fact that they do not wish to completely annihilate Ukrainian forces and carpet bomb entire cities the same way US/NATO forces devastated Iraq. They want a political victory, not just a military one.
 
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TruckDriver9

Woodpecker
Lugansk front - Popasna / Popasnaya update

"Almost the entire southern part of the city came under the control of the allied forces. /doesn't look like "almost" to me/
At the same time, the offensive continues from the northeast, where they advanced to Orekhovo"



Two American mercenaries were seriously injured in Orekhovo - Russian Defense Ministry.
Manus McCaffrey and Paul Gray - former US Army soldiers - fought as part of the Javelin ATGM crew on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Today at about 14.35 /Moscow time/
in the Orekhovo area they were in position, waiting for Russian tanks that were approaching the city from Novotishkovsky.
It was at that moment that the allied forces began an artillery barrage, and one of the shells landed near the position of the American mercenaries. Both received shrapnel wounds to the face, head and body, and a concrete wall behind which he was hiding also fell on a mercenary with the surname Gray.
Currently, both Americans are in the hospital and apparently they will not be able to return to Orekhovo - the allied forces are already fighting inside the city.

Beware - picture below shows injured / bandaged mercenary

 
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TruckDriver9

Woodpecker
"In Svyatogorsk /halfway between Izium and Lyman/, the Armed Forces of Ukraine deployed artillery right in the monastery
Information was received that Ukrainian militants deployed their artillery on the territory of the Holy Dormition Monastery of the Svyatogorsk Lavra. According to local residents, there are about 10 self-propelled guns and MLRS near the temple. Ukrainian atheists and Nazis step over any red lines. The use of civilians as human shields has long become the norm for them, now they are ready to hide behind Ukrainian shrines as well"

 

TruckDriver9

Woodpecker
According to military commander Poddubny, the combined unit of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is pressed against the Oskol reservoir. About 1000 soldiers were surrounded.

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Under Izyum.
"The militants of the VFU (combined BTGr of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) were surrounded, pressed against the Oskol reservoir, which is located east of Izyum. On April 20, the General Staff assigned the command of the 1st brigade the task of launching offensive operations. The BTG was supposed to advance on Izyum. Any competent officer understands that the idea is suicidal. But for the sake of PR in Kyiv, they are ready for any sacrifice. The boys went on the attack, but quickly got hit in the face and were blocked on three sides by Russian troops, and on one side by water. There are now 1000 people in the circle. Naturally, the boys asked for help.The General Staff refused to organize a breakthrough and deblockade. Now Russian artillery is methodically grinding the BTGr”
Poddubny reports
 

TruckDriver9

Woodpecker
Ukrainians blew up the railway bridge across the Seversky Donets, trying to slow down the advance of Russian troops.
Bridge on the way to Slavyansk from Lyman between Raygorodok /Raihorodok/ and Brusino /Brusivka/



US Marine killed in Ukraine.
Willie Joseph Kansel - information about his death was confirmed by the mercenary's mother, who also told the details of her son's "combat history"
- He served in the US Marine Corps, after which he worked as a warden in a prison in Tennessee.
- 22-year-old Kansel arrived in Ukraine on March 12, having previously signed a contract with an American PMC.
- The Marine died on April 25, it was not possible to take out his body from the battlefield.
- At home, the mercenary left a wife and a 7-month-old child.
- The US State Department refused to disclose information about Willy Kansel's stay in Ukraine "for security reasons."



Also - unconfirmed but possible - there is another "boiler" of surrounded ukrainian soldiers in the Kherson/Nykolaev area
 
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911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
According to military commander Poddubny, the combined unit of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is pressed against the Oskol reservoir. About 1000 soldiers were surrounded.

Under Izyum.
"The militants of the VFU (combined BTGr of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) were surrounded, pressed against the Oskol reservoir, which is located east of Izyum. On April 20, the General Staff assigned the command of the 1st brigade the task of launching offensive operations. The BTG was supposed to advance on Izyum. Any competent officer understands that the idea is suicidal. But for the sake of PR in Kyiv, they are ready for any sacrifice. The boys went on the attack, but quickly got hit in the face and were blocked on three sides by Russian troops, and on one side by water. There are now 1000 people in the circle. Naturally, the boys asked for help.The General Staff refused to organize a breakthrough and deblockade. Now Russian artillery is methodically grinding the BTGr”
Poddubny reports

The top Ukie brass actually wants to maximize their own casualties in order to prevent a long-term peace with Russia. Every Ukie soldier death will harden Russian hatred of his friends and family. It's quite cynical really.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
NATO provides a whole lot of added value, especially with intelligence and satellite info, as well as some big tactical operations like the sinking of the Moskva. They can delay the outcome, raise the cost to Russia, but ultimately they cannot prevent the ultimate defeat of Ukraine.

This is a controlled bleed of the Russian armed forces - balance participation just enough to stagnate the fighting so Russia either runs out of materiel and/or willpower to continue. By the time the fighting in Ukraine has ceased, Russia will have not only all but exhausted its means to secure other territory as safeguards, but also most of its ability to defend itself.

The only wild card is and always has been low-yield tactical nuclear weaponry.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
This is a controlled bleed of the Russian armed forces - balance participation just enough to stagnate the fighting so Russia either runs out of materiel and/or willpower to continue. By the time the fighting in Ukraine has ceased, Russia will have not only all but exhausted its means to secure other territory as safeguards, but also most of its ability to defend itself.

The only wild card is and always has been low-yield tactical nuclear weaponry.
By all accounts, its the Western powers that are bleeding themselves dry of materiel.

How is the Lithuainian air defence network today?
How many panzerfausts are left in Germany?
How many Javelins in the UK/USA?

Russia (mostly not Russia, but actually militia forces from Donetsk and Luhansk) have recouped the majority of their losses by recovering abandoned Ukrainian equipment.
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
By all accounts, its the Western powers that are bleeding themselves dry of materiel.

How is the Lithuainian air defence network today?
How many panzerfausts are left in Germany?
How many Javelins in the UK/USA?

Russia (mostly not Russia, but actually militia forces from Donetsk and Luhansk) have recouped the majority of their losses by recovering abandoned Ukrainian equipment.
What do you mean "bleeding themselves dry of materiel"? Do you mean that if the Western powers will give their military equipment to Ukraine, they will not have any military equipment left for themselves?

They will just make more moar military equipment! That's what the military industrial complex is for, to make more military equipment. If anything, losses of already existing military equipment is good for them, because it means that they get to make more military equipment to cover those losses.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Kingfisher
What do you mean "bleeding themselves dry of materiel"? Do you mean that if the Western powers will give their military equipment to Ukraine, they will not have any military equipment left for themselves?

They will just make more moar military equipment! That's what the military industrial complex is for, to make more military equipment. If anything, losses of already existing military equipment is good for them, because it means that they get to make more military equipment to cover those losses.
They cant replace them, not at the speed they are being lost.
 

Helmsman

Robin
Protestant
What do you mean "bleeding themselves dry of materiel"? Do you mean that if the Western powers will give their military equipment to Ukraine, they will not have any military equipment left for themselves?

They will just make more moar military equipment! That's what the military industrial complex is for, to make more military equipment. If anything, losses of already existing military equipment is good for them, because it means that they get to make more military equipment to cover those losses.
The contractor that makes Javelins has told the Army it will be years until stocks are back to pre-Ukraine levels. Component shortages. This is indicative of production shortfalls across every sector of a war effort. Similar issues have developed in the AIM-120 supply chain over the past several years.

The reckless and foolish decisions to supply materiel to Ukraine will hamstring Western militaries for years regardless of any profits the Military-Industrial complex will accrue.
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
This discussion reminds me of a meme, which means that the military industrial complex is a waste of money and resources.

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Pointy Elbows

Kingfisher
Orthodox
According to military commander Poddubny, the combined unit of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and the Armed Forces of Ukraine is pressed against the Oskol reservoir. About 1000 soldiers were surrounded.

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Under Izyum.
"The militants of the VFU (combined BTGr of the 1st brigade of the National Guard and units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine) were surrounded, pressed against the Oskol reservoir, which is located east of Izyum. On April 20, the General Staff assigned the command of the 1st brigade the task of launching offensive operations. The BTG was supposed to advance on Izyum. Any competent officer understands that the idea is suicidal. But for the sake of PR in Kyiv, they are ready for any sacrifice. The boys went on the attack, but quickly got hit in the face and were blocked on three sides by Russian troops, and on one side by water. There are now 1000 people in the circle. Naturally, the boys asked for help.The General Staff refused to organize a breakthrough and deblockade. Now Russian artillery is methodically grinding the BTGr”
Poddubny reports
Similar to this one on the Nykolaev/Kherson front:



Might be some Russian propaganda, but these two western cheerleaders are letting the bad news creep out also:



I believe these stories are well-hidden from the Ukrainian public. I had a hard conversation with my one contact there who had little idea how difficult the eastern front has become.



Ukrainian top leadership might not have the resources to fight this fight with proper reserves/counter-attack/quick reaction forces. Still, they seem willing to let their men get cornered and hung out on suicide missions. Mariupol, plus these two cauldrons, have all elicited similar comments from the local commander: "we called for help, got none, were told to fight in place, with diminishing basic supplies, and ordered to not surrender under any circumstance." Some local commanders are probably under criminal threat if they surrender instead of carry on their suicide missions.

This willingness to let their guys get isolated violates the "first, live today to fight tomorrow principle." It gives credit to suspicions Kiev is willing to let these units get crushed for the PR, the inspired hatred toward Russia sure to come from it, and their suppleness before their western masters (who want this thing to run long and hard).
 
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