The RVF community should become a polygynous tribe

[Comte De St. Germain]

Traditional polygynous cultures also tend to shelter their unmarried girls, requiring them be accompanied in public places with a family member who can cockblock anyone trying a cold approach.

This forum might not be for you.

 

[Hades]

Polygyny is associated with tropical environments where resources are plentiful. And in these environments, men hardly do any work, while women do all the work.

Consequently, polygyny is NOT compatible with the self-improvement, civilization-protecting message that RVF is most proud to hold and promote.

I'd rather be a lazy lion letting the hoes do all the work than a hard working beta male. Granted I do provide but it's a conditional kind of thing. It's not good to not be generous with people.

 

[Vanthassel]

Polygyny creates blood thirst. Simple as that. The global birth ratio is 107 men for 100 women. So there's already 7 men going without a wife. Now you add on polygyny. To illustrate: now the top 25 men are getting the 100 women. So you've got 82 men who aren't going to reproduce by decision of the women. What is there best chance to reproduce? It's to rape as many of the wives as possible, and murder as many of the upper class males as possible. The upper class males know this -- so they send them off into bloody, rapey wars with neighbors, so they kill and rape the neighbors instead.

This is part of the reason mistresses are frowned upon and kept hush hush. There must at the very least be the illusion of one man one woman marriages as the norm, to keep the peace.

First of all, we have to define polygyny. It could mean:

(1) Simultaneous legal marriage of a man to more than one woman at a time; or

(2) A man having an ongoing sexual relationship with more than one woman at a time (a "hard harem"), possibly while legally married to one woman.

In either case, the assumption is that any given woman will be exclusive with one man.

In our society, we don't have (1) but (2) is fairly commonplace. But more significantly, we also have an incredible number of "free agent" women who have all kinds of hookups without being committed to any one man. This is the real problem.

There needs to be a certain percentage of "free agent" women -- maybe 10-15% -- so the lower status men can still get sex from time to time. But when that percentage gets to 30%, 40% or more, then we have a real problem with the destruction of the family unit.

So I would say 10-15% free agents, maybe 80% of women in monogamous marriages, and then a small number of women available to be second wives for the top guys would be about the right mix.

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

I'm going to echo Phoenix here, this is a silly idea.

"I disagree. I think I might find a higher-quality husband for my daughter by expanding the pool of potential husbands to include those who are looking for a polygynous relationship. Because I hold these kinds of unorthodox views, I lost custody of the only daughter I currently have..."

Yeah, that sounds about right. How did that conversation with the judge go, anyway?

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

Actually, I thought about this for a while, and I'm totally down with it. In fact, I volunteer to be the very first example of a RvF polygynous relationship.

So who wants to let me at their daughter?
Does anybody want to let me bang their daughter as part of a non-exclusive relationship? Since it's "polygynous" there's no need to worry that I might already be in a relationship with someone else. I will happily screw all of your daughters, preferably at once as part of some kind of crazy Arabian harem fetish thing.

I'm "red pill", so you can totally trust me with them. 100% totally, rock-solid reliable. Look, I've even got rep points, which means I'm sure to be a top-quality catch!

Send PMs by clicking on my name to the left, and let's get this polygynous party started!

 

[Vanthassel]

Actually, I thought about this for a while, and I'm totally down with it. In fact, I volunteer to be the very first example of a RvF polygynous relationship.

So who wants to let me at their daughter?
Does anybody want to let me bang their daughter as part of a non-exclusive relationship? Since it's "polygynous" there's no need to worry that I might already be in a relationship with someone else. I will happily screw all of your daughters, preferably at once as part of some kind of crazy Arabian harem fetish thing.

I'm "red pill", so you can totally trust me with them. 100% totally, rock-solid reliable. Look, I've even got rep points, which means I'm sure to be a top-quality catch!

Send PMs by clicking on my name to the left, and let's get this polygynous party started!

The question isn't whether you'll happily screw them, it's whether you will commit to supporting them for life (along with any kids you have with them until the kids turn 18).

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

"The question isn't whether you'll happily screw them, it's whether you will commit to supporting them for life (along with any kids you have with them until the kids turn 18)."

Absolutely. 100%. You can trust me to take care of your daughters because I am a valued and trusted member of this online, anonymous message board.

Now make with the free pussy.

 

[Blobert]

Somehow I missed this post

Polygyny is associated with tropical environments where resources are plentiful. And in these environments, men hardly do any work, while women do all the work.

Consequently, polygyny is NOT compatible with the self-improvement, civilization-protecting message that RVF is most proud to hold and promote.

With all due respect, this is just false, unless you were being sarcastic. There is no evidence that supports such views. Assuming that this is not sarcasm, it is armchair theorizing at its worst. There is no patriarchal society in which women do all or most of the work. Men holds power because they do most of the (hard) work. And living in tropical environment doesn't guarantee food security. Life was as tough for many of them as for people elsewhere, if not tougher.

Men from tropical environment, typically patriarchal societies like South East Asia worked very hard in the past and in the present. Much harder than women, and even those women probably also worked harder than Western women. Do you really think that those dudes from patriarchal Japan and China hardly did any work back then?

Your statements can amount to saying that men in tropical area are not masculine, self-reliant and hard-working. As a matter fact (and not of feeling), that's not true. I don't think you meant to say that, and I certainly hope not, but that's what your statements entail. Please think more carefully before you make such statements next time.

I have to agree that Asian women are strong, tough and hard-working though, especially Vietnamese women.

Back to the topic, I'm not arguing that polygyny is superior to monogamy. Just gently reminding that we gotta be more careful in dismissing polygyny (that doesn't have to have anything to do with RVF becoming a polygynous tribe). I myself am wondering why polygyny seems to create such trouble in the current Middle East whereas it seemed to work fine for pre-modern East Asians. It seems to me that polygyny itself is not the main problem. Maybe that's just my bias though, because in where I'm from (Vietnam), polygyny used to be common sense and it still leaves many trace in our language, in such a way the idea never sounds so outrageous to our ears as it is to Western ears.

MMX2010's post is accurate for big parts of polygamous Africa.

 

[ElConquistador]

All the people that say "you should do x, y, z..." in society are trying to manipulate you either out of projection or trying to achieve their own agenda.

Anytime someone starts telling me "you should do x..." I become very skeptical. I consider it emotional abuse.

EDIT:

Also, I'm waiting for Samseau, Libertas, and Quintus to come in here and point out that western civilization was so successful because of monogamous marriages. Polygamy sounds great in theory, but it doesn't work on a societal level (see: holdout mormon polygamy cults and Saudia Arabia).

I would say it doesn't work out on an individual level either. Children from a polygamous family will never be as well developed as children from monogamous families. There is only so much time in a day and dealing with one woman and raising your 3 children would be draining enough. Dealing with multiple wives, their infighting, and raising all of the 3+ children? No way. This discussion is basically a debate between r vs. k reproductive strategies (r= South America, Africa, Middle East, India, etc.; k = Europe, Japan, etc.)

Recently, I was personally curious about polygamous marriages, so I looked into it (mormon polygamy). I was not impressed with what I found.

 

[Atheistani]

Well, the more women you can get the more you can deprive your enemies (in this case the liberals).

Polygamy would be the best way to get your genes and your beliefs passed on and in a better position to succeed. This would be the best way for a 'tribe' to grow and marginalise its enemies.

Given the current state of cultural degeneracy in the West and the level of unhappiness of women, it's now simply a case of he who dares wins.

One does not need money or good looks or even advanced game. It's just a case of acting on opportunity.

I can think of few things more beta than the idea that a man can only have one wife.

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Well, the more women you can get the more you can deprive your enemies (in this case the liberals). "
This is a frankly insane way to look at marriage. "Why do you want three wives?" "Because that's two women who won't be marrying liberals!"

"Polygamy would be the best way to get your genes and your beliefs passed on and in a better position to succeed. This would be the best way for a 'tribe' to grow and marginalise its enemies."

This is completely wrong. The only polygynous tribes in North America exist in the deserts of northern Utah. They are hardly "successes". If the welfare funding was cut off they'd be dead within 3 generations. Also, polygynous tribes don't grow faster than monogamous tribes.

"Given the current state of cultural degeneracy in the West and the level of unhappiness of women, it's now simply a case of he who dares wins. "
"One does not need money or good looks or even advanced game. It's just a case of acting on opportunity. "

This strikes me as a lot like the guy in the Donald Trump thread who said it was "easy" to make 10 million dollars in real estate. When I asked him how much he'd made, he said that he hadn't actually earned a single dollar yet, but that he would totally drop a data sheet 6 years from now once he was a millionaire. If it's "easy" to convince two women or more women to break the bigamy laws and get married to you, have you done it? Do you know anyone, personally, who's done it successfully? Would you, or they, be willing to write up a data sheet on it?

"I can think of few things more beta than the idea that a man can only have one wife."
Polygamy is the province of regressive savages. (With weird exceptions like the Mormons in the 1800s, who had a huge surplus of women who needed husbands to survive in the deserts.) There's a reason every advanced society, from the Europeans to the Japanese, ditched it for monogamy. When a monogamous culture encounters a polygamous one, the polygamous one is reduced to humiliating irrelevancy. So if you want to be an alpha in a society of dirt-eaters who die at age 30, go for it. I think I'll stick with being Beta.

 

[Phoenix]

I can think of few things more beta than the idea that a man can only have one wife.

Better hope you're born into the "haves" cast rather than the "have nots". Marriage is one of the few places where the socialist myth of the "zero sum game" is actually true.

I don't buy into this "got to have multiple women" stuff, I think it's largely a male reaction fueled by a degenerate society rather than a natural healthy order. It just smacks of low-life monkeys rather than higher-life civilized humans.

I know it was never my desire. I only got caught up in it as a massive overreaction to the suffering I felt in my youth. When I was young it never even occurred to me the idea of banging multiple women as some kind of calculating sex-ravenous hedonist. I always just wanted one special one who loved me. Indeed I guess I still want that, as distant as it still seems, in spite of the progress I've made. I don't enjoy playing, it's just a necessary part of avoiding the horrifying life of the third scenario: having nothing.

 

[Atheistani]

Whatever. Sometimes you need to think out of the box.

I reckon polygamy was always the norm in any society where marriage was an institution. For the simple reason that many men would die in war, many men would die hunting or whatever riskier activities men would have done in those times. Also factor in the number of men who for whatever reason didnt succeed. It's just a case of numbers.

It doesnt really mean most men would be left without, it just means most women can get married.

Anyway, it certainly looks like monogamy is working out well in the West given the divorce rate is only 50% and most women get married at the young age of 30-35. I can see your point.

I always just wanted one special one who loved me.

You sound like someone who hasn't taken the red pill properly. This is exactly the type of Hollywood Romantic nonesense that is prevalent as the standard view in the current disfunctional marriage culture.

I would put any money on it:

If a man is capable of being loved by one woman, he is capable of maintaining a polygamous marriage with multiple women.

It's not easy for the average guy to be truly loved by a woman.

 

[Dantes]

As my friend Cobra says, doing things for the sake of red pill is just more blue pill.

To each his own.

Men are the true romantics and unfortunately the only acceptable way of expressing it is through music, art and poetry.

Nothing wrong with committing to a good woman as long as it is done properly. It's taboo here but many men seek connection and dare I say love from a good woman. It's unfortunate that there aren't enough of these good women in the West today. But it doesn't negate the desire for love.

 

[Phoenix]

Whatever. Sometimes you need to think out of the box.

I reckon polygamy was always the norm in any society where marriage was an institution. For the simple reason that many men would die in war, many men would die hunting or whatever riskier activities men would have done in those times. Also factor in the number of men who for whatever reason didnt succeed. It's just a case of numbers.

It doesnt really mean most men would be left without, it just means most women can get married.

Anyway, it certainly looks like monogamy is working out well in the West given the divorce rate is only 50% and most women get married at the young age of 30-35. I can see your point. [sarcastic snark]

Perhaps you can refrain from being an arrogant, condescending, snarky cunt. When someone disagrees with you, they are not "failing to think outside the box". They just disagree because you're wrong.

What you 'reckon' is irrelevant. Just read a history book.

You sound like someone who hasn't taken the red pill properly. This is exactly the type of Hollywood Romantic nonesense that is prevalent as the standard view in the current disfunctional marriage culture.

I would put any money on it:

If a man is capable of being loved by one woman, he is capable of maintaining a polygamous marriage with multiple women.

And you're nothing more than a keyboard alpha, and you sound like one of our recent Asperger's cases. You are a zero-value member, and I'd put money on El Chinito loco's neutral rep that you are in fact the next IRT. I've tried to communicate my feelings stemming from my life experience. You have done nothing here but spray your opinion around. What gives you the right to talk down to other members like this? You haven't posted a single thing about your own experiences, because you have none other than sitting in your mom's basement with a keyboard and a box of tissues. All you do is swing your 2-inch keyboard alpha dick on the internet, and you think that makes you significant. Have you ever stuck that dick in a woman? You should give it a go. One of your other Asperger's buddies recently had success! What have you done? Perhaps you should start there before embarking on your grand plans to have 4 wives. :lol:

 

[Tuthmosis]

You sound like someone who hasn't taken the red pill properly. This is exactly the type of Hollywood Romantic nonesense that is prevalent as the standard view in the current disfunctional marriage culture.

You sound like some who just got a 3-day suspension.

Show some respect to the community if you'd like to remain a part of it.

 

[Tuthmosis]

Perhaps you can refrain from being an arrogant, condescending, snarky cunt. When someone disagrees with you, they are not "failing to think outside the box". They just disagree because you're wrong.

Refrain from engaging in back-and-forth ad hominems. Just hit the report button and let the moderation team take care of it.

 

[SamuelBRoberts]

Well, it's been several days, and despite my rep count not ONE PERSON has offered to let me marry their daughter as part of a polygynous relationship.

Not a single one!

I'm feeling really let down by you guys! I even went and redecorated my room!

Anyway, I think we can put this silly idea to bed now.

 

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Considering OPs threads and post history.....I wonder if OP has girls locked up in his basement or in a shed in his backyard.

 

[armenia4ever]

Someone mentioned that women dont mind sharing high valuend men. That's incorrect from my personal experiences, as well as observations of others here, as well as what we know about game - dread game in particular.

Women don't want to share high value men. They want them for themselves only, as well as kind of trophy they can show off and spite other women.

Notice how jealous women get when a high value male is swimming in options as well as other women pursuing him.

If you want a house full of vicious angry jealous quarreling wives then polygamy may be for you. Imagine raising kids though....