Yes, but I just have lost faith in the nation. The virus and the BLM riots and the homosexual agenda made me realize the USA that the founding fathers imagined doesn't exist anymore. The US Constitution will be twisted so that citizens will comply.
The Second Amendment
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Another way to ban guns without directly banning them. Make it unprofitable to make guns by suing manufacturers. Let's hope Californians never expected Governor Newsome would be anti-gun when they elected him, but I am sure they are pleased with this. This shows many Americans want guns banned.
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All you have to do is not participate, give your energy, or contract with the nonsense. There is no way they can ever take the millions of firearms or convince everyone to comply.
True. However, imagine if 90% of Americans register their weapons because the leader ensures them that guns will never be taken away and it is a crime prevention act. You are right that some will hide their guns and this is the wise thing to do. However, not everybody has a safe place to hide their guns. Also, hiding your gun far from your home means you lack protection from home invasions.
It took one massacre: how Australia embraced gun control after Port Arthur
The decisive political response to the killing of 35 people in Tasmania by a gunman 20 years ago changed Australia – and has lessons for the US today
www.theguardian.com
I can't imagine that. They'll only get your guns if you give them away.
The Australian gun control tricks does not work as effectively on Americans. Same goes for gun control measures from other commonwealth nations and Great Britain. There are no 2nd Amendment protections or anything similar in these nations. They just needed one tragic event playing at the heartstrings of the masses and the sitting political class will sign off on the already prepared gun control measures they had sitting on a desk for years. Even with that, the Australians never went on any house to house gun confiscation. They relied on fools turning their guns in and then letting time fly by. People are unable to buy firearms. There are probably only a few gun ranges in the country. People's exposure to firearms become more obscure and foreign. Add that to the propaganda that only criminals use firearms, then you get a defenseless population. They're in the early stages of that in New Zealand.
Contrast that to the United States, the Globalist are reduced to nickel and diming the American gun owner due to the 2nd amendment,
- Outlawing automatic weaponry
- messing with the ammo capacity
- removing vital aspects off weapons(NY and CA removing the pistol grip off the AR-15)
- attempting to introduce taxes on ammo and gun parts
The gun confiscation fear in my opinion is a pipedream by Globalist control freaks and gun nuts who want to get revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge. It's impractical to have law enforcement, Nat Guard or active duty military to go collect 400 million guns owned by 81 million Americans. Most of that burden will fall on local law enforcement. I've seen enough videos over the years where even in localities that are democrat held, officers state they will not conduct such action no matter where the orders came from. Officer's actions during covid made me very wary of taking them at their word. There are areas where I think it could happen like NYC, LA, and other blue strongholds. Even with that, they did a test run during the 2012 Boston Marathon Bombing conducting house to house searches and the residents that were victims of that did not welcome it. The Globalist only trick they have is to play the same emotional trick similar to Australia and cigarettes where they make guns obscure and foreign with way less return on value. That why you see Beto O'Rourke making a fool of himself interrupting Abbot's press conference. They are desperate and time is not on their side. They need everyone dead or on their knees by 2030. The issue with that strategy is that due to other initiatives being put in place in the U.S.(No cash bail, releasing prisoners, inflaming race relations), it has push people to buy firearms.
In regards to the gun registry, there is a good chance the feds already created one and has been collecting information for years via form 4473, the background check form. They already know who owns what.
The Globalist found a new tactic during the 2020 summer riots by using Antifa and criminals as cannon fodder and terrorize the civilian populous along with leveraging their powers at their respective levels in government. They saw how effective they were at pillaging businesses especially small businesses and allowed them to ransacked communities with impunity. They intentionally held back police and National Guard units. When they activated them, they had one arm tied behind their backs. We then saw how they went after men that defended their properties and communities like Jake Gardner and Kyle Rittenhouse. They will build on this and next time, I fear it will be people homes and the use of firearms and weaponry by criminals/Antifa will be overt.
Contrast that to the United States, the Globalist are reduced to nickel and diming the American gun owner due to the 2nd amendment,
- Outlawing automatic weaponry
- messing with the ammo capacity
- removing vital aspects off weapons(NY and CA removing the pistol grip off the AR-15)
- attempting to introduce taxes on ammo and gun parts
The gun confiscation fear in my opinion is a pipedream by Globalist control freaks and gun nuts who want to get revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge. It's impractical to have law enforcement, Nat Guard or active duty military to go collect 400 million guns owned by 81 million Americans. Most of that burden will fall on local law enforcement. I've seen enough videos over the years where even in localities that are democrat held, officers state they will not conduct such action no matter where the orders came from. Officer's actions during covid made me very wary of taking them at their word. There are areas where I think it could happen like NYC, LA, and other blue strongholds. Even with that, they did a test run during the 2012 Boston Marathon Bombing conducting house to house searches and the residents that were victims of that did not welcome it. The Globalist only trick they have is to play the same emotional trick similar to Australia and cigarettes where they make guns obscure and foreign with way less return on value. That why you see Beto O'Rourke making a fool of himself interrupting Abbot's press conference. They are desperate and time is not on their side. They need everyone dead or on their knees by 2030. The issue with that strategy is that due to other initiatives being put in place in the U.S.(No cash bail, releasing prisoners, inflaming race relations), it has push people to buy firearms.
In regards to the gun registry, there is a good chance the feds already created one and has been collecting information for years via form 4473, the background check form. They already know who owns what.
The Globalist found a new tactic during the 2020 summer riots by using Antifa and criminals as cannon fodder and terrorize the civilian populous along with leveraging their powers at their respective levels in government. They saw how effective they were at pillaging businesses especially small businesses and allowed them to ransacked communities with impunity. They intentionally held back police and National Guard units. When they activated them, they had one arm tied behind their backs. We then saw how they went after men that defended their properties and communities like Jake Gardner and Kyle Rittenhouse. They will build on this and next time, I fear it will be people homes and the use of firearms and weaponry by criminals/Antifa will be overt.
In a normal society, strangers killing each other, *particularly* children murdering other children, would signal a huge alarm bell that something is seriously wrong. The canary in the coal mine so to speak.
The more dysfunctional a society, the more we see absolutely dysgenic behavior like incest, murder, self mutiliation (tattoos, trannies, etc.).
Michael Moore made this the theme of his film about the Littleton, CO shootings, Bowling for Columbine.
Manson said the main issue was fear. Well, what do you think 2 years locked down covering the face when you are a socially developing teenager, does for your mental health. Would that cause some fear and anxiety? You betcha.
Moore concurs, and also brings up the fact that the US cannot kill thousands of foreign brown people abroad and pretend it won't have implications back home, and in fact there was a strong correlation between massive weapons manufacturing and Littletown, CO.
They also point to the tie between fear and capitalistic consumption. Of course, we saw plenty of that in the wake of 9-11 when President Dubya told people the best way they could help was to "go out and shop." Well, with the rampant inflation and labor and goods shortages, the outlet of consumption is not available as a pressure release valve. When there is no release valve, pressure builds up until there is an explosion. Could that be what we've seen here?
But Moore's biggest point in the film (as well as Dave Cullen's excellent book Columbine) was really that no one was looking at the actual causes or wondering why this was happening. Of course, they did the same thing after 911 where any attempt to understand exactly what happened and why was met with condemnation that you were "siding with terist" because literally nothing could justify what had happened. Well, that's a nice story if you believe it.
I predict society will also fail to analyze why this shooting happened.
Of course analysing why these events happen is the first step to stopping them. Much as society is not concerned about the majority of births being out of wedlock bastards, or the majority of marriages ending in divorce. No, we don't want to "blame" anyone so we just cover our eyes and ears and pretend that bad things just happen randomly without reason.
Will the second amendment be rescinded?
No, primarily because "they" don't care enough about an armed population.
Sure, they fear violent action, and the last thing they would want is anyone using the strategies of Ted Kaczynski -- targeting of elites in academia and business -- and violently removing them (note that he never used a gun--the fear is in his thinking and who he targeted, not his means).
But when are elites ever threatened by the public?
There are millions and millions of guns in America. Are they ever used to defend against tyranny? Maybe once every 20 years or so, and then the state comes down with such brutality, as they did in Waco, TX, and in fact as they did way back during the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1700s, they brutally put down anyone opposing their power.
The days of forcefully opposing the government are gone. The Covid lockdowns proved that they have far more control over us by controlling our ability to buy and sell (a new non-private digital currency bill was introduced last month) than they ever could with force.
Plus, on top of that, America has this weird worship of the 2nd Amendment. You can figuratively tear up every single one of the other bill of rights, but if you say anything bad about using weaponry, you are an evil traitor! So it's simply impractical for them to end the 2nd Amendment.
It is both not useful, and difficult pragmatically to end the mass ownership of weapons by the public. But sure, it will change a bit. If I had to guess, the model would be what they've done with every other "freedom" we have, which is that we magnify the worst parts of the freedom and curtail the best parts: IE prosecute Julian Assange for telling the truth while having free pornography available to anyone with an internet service, and call that "freedom of speech".
So we will get all the worst parts of the "freedom" while the good parts are attacked. By that analogy, I would expect that hunting will become more difficult,rifles and other long guns and other white-people-weapons will be restricted, but there will be plenty of armed hoodrats, and the handgun favored by criminals everywhere, will proliferate.
They have already scrapped every single one of the bill of rights, except the one about quartering soldiers (which was just replaced by a trillion dollar military that in contravention to the Constitution that forbids a standing army for more than 2 years, spends lavishly on foreign and domestic bases where these soldiers have no need to quarter in your house, as they have housing built for them to use all around the world). They have even already passed hate speech laws (though they are less onerous than the European ones so far)
The implications would be a lot of faux outrage from boomers if the 2nd Amendment were seriously revised.
What the elites really dislike is any sort of cohesive or organized opposition to what they represent, which is why even when this forum was organized around fornication, it because public enemy number one when nationwide meetups were planned. So the plan is to continually destroy the family, destroy rural life, and then there is no future threat of an armed militia or breakaway movement or anything. The fear is the organization, much moreso than the armed component.
How do I feel about firearms personally? I was raised in southern gun culture, learned to shoot long guns in Boy Scouts and with family and friends. I have never desired to own firearms. I think the collective reasoning of America will move through 3 stages:
1) Guns are fun to hunt with if you are in to that
2) Guns are an essential form of self defense as crime levels approach Brazil and South Africa
3) Guns become a huge liability, as they are no longer primarily used as a tool to kill meat to eat, or to have around for home protection, but they quickly become a tool used by the common thug to commit crimes. Guns in America today usually mean "that guy likes to hunt deer." Guns in Brazil mean "I like to carjack toursists and old ladies"
We are somewhere between 1 and 2 right now.
Basically, they will remove the desire for gun ownership itself, as they make America a fundamentally different country than it was before. John Adams said as much:
Once the character of America changes significantly, you will not WANT Americans to have weapons.
The more dysfunctional a society, the more we see absolutely dysgenic behavior like incest, murder, self mutiliation (tattoos, trannies, etc.).
Michael Moore made this the theme of his film about the Littleton, CO shootings, Bowling for Columbine.
Manson said the main issue was fear. Well, what do you think 2 years locked down covering the face when you are a socially developing teenager, does for your mental health. Would that cause some fear and anxiety? You betcha.
Moore concurs, and also brings up the fact that the US cannot kill thousands of foreign brown people abroad and pretend it won't have implications back home, and in fact there was a strong correlation between massive weapons manufacturing and Littletown, CO.
They also point to the tie between fear and capitalistic consumption. Of course, we saw plenty of that in the wake of 9-11 when President Dubya told people the best way they could help was to "go out and shop." Well, with the rampant inflation and labor and goods shortages, the outlet of consumption is not available as a pressure release valve. When there is no release valve, pressure builds up until there is an explosion. Could that be what we've seen here?
But Moore's biggest point in the film (as well as Dave Cullen's excellent book Columbine) was really that no one was looking at the actual causes or wondering why this was happening. Of course, they did the same thing after 911 where any attempt to understand exactly what happened and why was met with condemnation that you were "siding with terist" because literally nothing could justify what had happened. Well, that's a nice story if you believe it.
I predict society will also fail to analyze why this shooting happened.
Of course analysing why these events happen is the first step to stopping them. Much as society is not concerned about the majority of births being out of wedlock bastards, or the majority of marriages ending in divorce. No, we don't want to "blame" anyone so we just cover our eyes and ears and pretend that bad things just happen randomly without reason.
Will the second amendment be rescinded?
No, primarily because "they" don't care enough about an armed population.
Sure, they fear violent action, and the last thing they would want is anyone using the strategies of Ted Kaczynski -- targeting of elites in academia and business -- and violently removing them (note that he never used a gun--the fear is in his thinking and who he targeted, not his means).
But when are elites ever threatened by the public?
There are millions and millions of guns in America. Are they ever used to defend against tyranny? Maybe once every 20 years or so, and then the state comes down with such brutality, as they did in Waco, TX, and in fact as they did way back during the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1700s, they brutally put down anyone opposing their power.
The days of forcefully opposing the government are gone. The Covid lockdowns proved that they have far more control over us by controlling our ability to buy and sell (a new non-private digital currency bill was introduced last month) than they ever could with force.
Plus, on top of that, America has this weird worship of the 2nd Amendment. You can figuratively tear up every single one of the other bill of rights, but if you say anything bad about using weaponry, you are an evil traitor! So it's simply impractical for them to end the 2nd Amendment.
It is both not useful, and difficult pragmatically to end the mass ownership of weapons by the public. But sure, it will change a bit. If I had to guess, the model would be what they've done with every other "freedom" we have, which is that we magnify the worst parts of the freedom and curtail the best parts: IE prosecute Julian Assange for telling the truth while having free pornography available to anyone with an internet service, and call that "freedom of speech".
So we will get all the worst parts of the "freedom" while the good parts are attacked. By that analogy, I would expect that hunting will become more difficult,rifles and other long guns and other white-people-weapons will be restricted, but there will be plenty of armed hoodrats, and the handgun favored by criminals everywhere, will proliferate.
They have already scrapped every single one of the bill of rights, except the one about quartering soldiers (which was just replaced by a trillion dollar military that in contravention to the Constitution that forbids a standing army for more than 2 years, spends lavishly on foreign and domestic bases where these soldiers have no need to quarter in your house, as they have housing built for them to use all around the world). They have even already passed hate speech laws (though they are less onerous than the European ones so far)
The implications would be a lot of faux outrage from boomers if the 2nd Amendment were seriously revised.
What the elites really dislike is any sort of cohesive or organized opposition to what they represent, which is why even when this forum was organized around fornication, it because public enemy number one when nationwide meetups were planned. So the plan is to continually destroy the family, destroy rural life, and then there is no future threat of an armed militia or breakaway movement or anything. The fear is the organization, much moreso than the armed component.
How do I feel about firearms personally? I was raised in southern gun culture, learned to shoot long guns in Boy Scouts and with family and friends. I have never desired to own firearms. I think the collective reasoning of America will move through 3 stages:
1) Guns are fun to hunt with if you are in to that
2) Guns are an essential form of self defense as crime levels approach Brazil and South Africa
3) Guns become a huge liability, as they are no longer primarily used as a tool to kill meat to eat, or to have around for home protection, but they quickly become a tool used by the common thug to commit crimes. Guns in America today usually mean "that guy likes to hunt deer." Guns in Brazil mean "I like to carjack toursists and old ladies"
We are somewhere between 1 and 2 right now.
Basically, they will remove the desire for gun ownership itself, as they make America a fundamentally different country than it was before. John Adams said as much:
Once the character of America changes significantly, you will not WANT Americans to have weapons.
TLDR of above is that you could turn boomers into literal slaves, and as long as they had their guns they wouldn't care, and would worship the state and its Judeo-Christian principles, so the 2nd Amendment will never be repealed, but its fundamental purpose for being will be erased. The 2nd Amendment is so incredibly valuable for propaganda purposes that the government will never scrap it.
Government actually likes the gun ownership because the sheep will loudly proclaim how FREE they are as they walk around with a gun, but meanwhile you can't speak the truth, travel freely, are taxed to death, cannot practice your religion, etc.
The freedom to fire a gun is very, very low down on my list of personal liberties. Most of the ones I care about are gone already.
Government actually likes the gun ownership because the sheep will loudly proclaim how FREE they are as they walk around with a gun, but meanwhile you can't speak the truth, travel freely, are taxed to death, cannot practice your religion, etc.
The freedom to fire a gun is very, very low down on my list of personal liberties. Most of the ones I care about are gone already.
In the US, there is literally 1 (ONE) registered firearm per every 299 unregistered firearms.True. However, imagine if 90% of Americans register their weapons because the leader ensures them that guns will never be taken away and it is a crime prevention act. You are right that some will hide their guns and this is the wise thing to do. However, not everybody has a safe place to hide their guns. Also, hiding your gun far from your home means you lack protection from home invasions.
It took one massacre: how Australia embraced gun control after Port Arthur
The decisive political response to the killing of 35 people in Tasmania by a gunman 20 years ago changed Australia – and has lessons for the US today
There is absolutely no way that a single law is going to make 270 of those unregistered firearms (to get to that 90 percent number) all of sudden decide to become "lawful" gun-owning citizens.
Even then, I would bet the house that the vast majority of shootings would originate from those outstanding 30, unregistered weapons.
Beta certainly isn't what one may define as a 'self made' man. Meet his father in law puppet master...
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Their best option would be to stop the trucks running & starve everyone out. Those who understand the situation would do well to prepare now as the exhorbitant prices will only get worse; they mean to deal with the human cattle for good & all.
If memory serves, it requires a 2/3 majority in Congress to change the US Constitution. Interesting how in decimal form this is 0.666, the number of the beast. Also close to the 60-70% of the population who were able to be coerced into the fake vaccine.
My personal prediction is roughly 1/3 of the population and land area of the US becomes a new nation located in the heartland, while the remaining 2/3 (East and West Coast regions) attempt further demonic acts, including changing or discarding the original Constitution in favor of some Orwellian garbage. One of their many futile actions on their way to eternal perdition.
This will encourage the civil war, and accelerate the planned takeover of east and west by China, Russia, and others.
Good luck trying to get past the Rocky Mountains or the more remote regions of Appalachia. Tough Americans with guns and homemade bombs defending their homeland in the back woods and remote mountains will be more difficult to subdue than the homosexual/female US "military".
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I can only guess that a lot of the posters in this thread are not American. I invite them to take a look at the map on this page (and realize that many more counties and states, especially in the South, would declare themselves 2nd amendment sanctuaries if the threat became real):
en.wikipedia.org
There is massive local and state resistance to any gun grab, and these mass shootings have only ever moved the needle in favor or more gun rights in the US, not fewer. Perhaps we will cease to be a union of 50 states over this, but most places will not be disarmed, especially after the awakening of last couple of years.
Second Amendment sanctuary - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
There is massive local and state resistance to any gun grab, and these mass shootings have only ever moved the needle in favor or more gun rights in the US, not fewer. Perhaps we will cease to be a union of 50 states over this, but most places will not be disarmed, especially after the awakening of last couple of years.
All it takes to remove all of the unregistered weapons is to instill fear in everyone that has an unregistered weapon. How does the govt do that? Well here’s a theory that seems plausible. Step 1: US pases a law like in Australia (turn in your weapons or register them, if you don’t you get hit with huge fine or long term imprisonment). Step 2: Through current data collection and AI scouring social media, pictures on the cloud etc. it won’t be too hard to find proof of lots of people with unregistered guns. Step 3: Get a warrant and go search and seize those weapons from people. Step 4: word spreads that Joe down the street got taken away to prison. Rest of population gets scared they may be next and registers or turns in their guns. The govt only needs to make a few examples of people to scare the other 99% into compliance.
This isn't plausible though. The USA is not Australia.
In America they don’t have to remove the 2nd amendment but could easily require registration of your weapons with stiff penalties. Look at how they already have taken away the right to gun ownership by US citizens from people with Medical Marajuana Card registered. Yes that is true, look it up and it’s all because politically they still consider ganja a Schedule 1 narcotic. So the government can and will manipulate within the laws to get what they want.
Also another huge benefit of the 2nd Amendment is that it gives the Republican party the fake proof that they are "fightin for yer freedumbs." The left wing will play their role by bringing up a gun law and then the right wing can come out and say "Oh no you don't you dumb libtard! You will get my gun from my cold dead hands!"
Meanwhile the same right wing creates the dept of Homeland Security, the TSA, the Space Force, rolls out the vaccinations, allows social media to censor and ban free speech, tortures political prisoners, but always remembers to make a tv ad where they blow away libtarded bills with their high powered guns 'cause freedom!
It's classic deception.
The same occurs with the abortion issue. Abortion is not going away, and has existed for my entire life, but the libtarded party will pretend they are constantly fighting to keep it after the right wing pretends to attack it.
In both cases government is happy for us to keep aborting and shooting ourselves, and will gladly pretend to fight for our rights to do so.
Meanwhile the same right wing creates the dept of Homeland Security, the TSA, the Space Force, rolls out the vaccinations, allows social media to censor and ban free speech, tortures political prisoners, but always remembers to make a tv ad where they blow away libtarded bills with their high powered guns 'cause freedom!
It's classic deception.
The same occurs with the abortion issue. Abortion is not going away, and has existed for my entire life, but the libtarded party will pretend they are constantly fighting to keep it after the right wing pretends to attack it.
In both cases government is happy for us to keep aborting and shooting ourselves, and will gladly pretend to fight for our rights to do so.
Many of them also support red flag laws, raising age to buy guns to 21, etc.
Where I am from, they have been doing this for decades. Threatening unregistered gun owners with 5-10 year mandatory sentences. The clowns walk around with their pistols basically concealed carry. This is not Texas, this is a blue city. Everyone knows and some of these people carry because others do, regardless of the risk of going to jail. The black market relies on cash transactions/bartering and word of mouth, no paper trails. Their would be idiots to use cashapp or paypal(there's a lot of idiots). For the average citizen, some buy into the fear propaganda and some might have guns themselves and are smart enough to not say anything.
Yes, the powers that be can manipulate the laws here and there. They have an army of lawyers that exist for the sole purpose is to pervert the legal framework of nations. This is why Hungary and Russia banned George Soros and his NGOs, that is one of their primary objectives. How many people are affected by not being able to obtain a firearm due to holding a medical marijuana card? In the grand scheme, it a minuscule part of the population. They should be able to obtain guns, but in the bigger picture the Globalist have been throwing gun restrictions and laws for the past 100 years and where has it gotten them. Nowhere. They need the guns gone now, they can't afford to wait for the next generation. They cannot have the masses even moderately armed when they fully kick off their plans. Look at Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the examples of what they wanted to do in the States. The government's ability to exert force to gain compliance will be undermined and it won't take a significant amount of the population to fight back.
I don't prescribe to the two party paradigm. Its obvious most republicans support gun rights in the hope to keep the boomers and gun bros vote. The reason I support the 2nd amendment is that it gives us the chance to fight off this blatant, crude attempt to ensnare us into a serfdom class that other countries aren't blessed with. Many 2nd amendment advocates don't see that and just rattle off the same nauseating state approved talking points(self defense, my rights to bear arms, etc.). Guns are tools and nothing more, they shouldn't be as controversial as it is made out to be. But they are essential to protect yourself. I rather have them instead of having slingshots and bows and arrows if the nation turns into 90s South Africa or the French Revolution pops off.
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