The Second Amendment

inthefade

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
In America they don’t have to remove the 2nd amendment but could easily require registration of your weapons with stiff penalties. Look at how they already have taken away the right to gun ownership by US citizens from people with Medical Marajuana Card registered. Yes that is true, look it up and it’s all because politically they still consider ganja a Schedule 1 narcotic. So the government can and will manipulate within the laws to get what they want.
No one is forcing you to get a medical card to register your cannabis usage with the state. Grow your own. This is the exact reason I never tried to get a medical card or let my ID be scanned at a recreational facility when I used cannabis. Also state dependent recreational doesn't register IDs.
 
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fr0st

Pigeon
Catholic
I have noticed there seems to be many more mass-shootings nowadays. Naturally, this is being used to stole resentment of the Second Amendment.

I'm Scottish, but fascinated by the US gun culture. I absolutely like the idea of the Second Amendment - that people should be free to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. However, when the Constitution was drafted for a God-fearing citizenry...nowadays people smoke tons of weed, watch masses of porn and violent films. Mental illness is through the roof.

Do you believe this is under threat?
Can Americans be convinced to give up their guns?
What are the implications, if so?

If the Second Amendment can be scrapped, 'they' might well do away with the First Amendment, too and introduce hate speech laws.

I have seen comments to the effect that the Constitution was written by a bunch of slave-owning white guys, and so it shouldn't be respected. I think the best thing about America is the Constitution, particularly the First Amendment. I am concerned for its future, though.

Here's an interesting article about how mass-shootings are reported, by Steve Sailer: https://www.takimag.com/article/triggered/
In the U.S. they have already essentially gotten rid of the 1st Amendment, except instead of the government prosecuting you for speech it’s major corporations, banks, payment providers, etc.

The 2nd Amendment is to “protect against a tyrannical government” yet the U.S. is more tyrannical now than it has ever been at any point in history and getting worse by the day. Doesn’t seem to be working but boomers usually only buy guns to show off like Zoomers and their Pokémon cards.
 

bubs

Robin
Protestant
No one is forcing you to get a medical card to register your cannabis usage with the state. Grow your own. This is the exact reason I never tried to get a medical card or let my ID be scanned at a recreational facility when I used cannabis. Also state dependent recreational doesn't register IDs.
I wonder if when you talk to a Dr to get your Medical card, the Dr informs you that your gun ownership rights will be taken away. I have no idea but I doubt it. Then your screwed if you actually have greater convictions for gun ownership over ability to obtain medical marajuana (for argument sake let’s say it’s legitimate to cure pain).
 

bubs

Robin
Protestant
That would constitute a declaration of war by the federal or state government against the citizens of the state or entire country. An actual hot war would ensue.
Agree, government won’t go physical, they’ll do it passive aggressively thru economic hardships and laws and regulation to make people fall in line vs brute force and a boot on the neck (initially anyway).
 

The Prime Minister

Robin
Orthodox
I have noticed there seems to be many more mass-shootings nowadays.
I wrote this comment earlier in the Uvalde thread, but I'll repeat it here.

Many of these mass shootings have false flag and glowie fingerprints on them. Also another angle that many have not mentioned are the backgrounds of the shooters. I can't remember where I read this statistic before but it said something like 85-90% of mass shooters come from broken and dysfunctional families. Meaning they had no father in the home, raised by a single mom most of the time, abused/bullied, and mentally ill (given all sorts of antidepressant pills). On top of that they are sexually frustrated, have pent up aggression, and then legally buy guns to do copycat mass shootings (with glowie support). In this case Salvador Ramos grew up without a dad and did this mass shooting to get the attention of an OnlyFans-type of e-girl.

Mass shootings in the US were extremely rare before the year 2000, even with guns being widely available. The reason why mass shootings are increasing in my opinion is because of the rise of single motherhood, broken families and antidepressant pills in the US. Many violent criminals in prison also came from fatherless homes. Single motherhood and broken families along with pharmaceutical drugs will increase both violent crimes and mass shootings in the US. Unless this root cause is addressed and properly fixed, expect to see mass shootings continually increase.
 

The Penitent Man

Kingfisher
Protestant
In the U.S. they have already essentially gotten rid of the 1st Amendment, except instead of the government prosecuting you for speech it’s major corporations, banks, payment providers, etc.

The 2nd Amendment is to “protect against a tyrannical government” yet the U.S. is more tyrannical now than it has ever been at any point in history and getting worse by the day. Doesn’t seem to be working but boomers usually only buy guns to show off like Zoomers and their Pokémon cards.
People will realize the value in it when it’s gone and their nice neighborhoods and communities are subjected to all types of violent crime, property crime, “flash mob” attacks, all types of new psychotic mass murdering sprees, political violence indirectly and directly supported by the state, corrupt policing, insidious bureaucracy run by violent homosexuals who want your children (think CPS in Sodom and Gomorrah), and an evolution towards a South African style state. The cops won’t be there to stop any of it and, at best, will turn a blind eye if they aren’t directly participating in it.

I think this may be a good depiction of what to expect within our lifetime or our children’s (absent the heroic underground resistance theme):

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Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
People will realize the value in it when it’s gone and their nice neighborhoods and communities are subjected to all types of violent crime, property crime, “flash mob” attacks, all types of new psychotic mass murdering sprees, political violence indirectly and directly supported by the state, corrupt policing, insidious bureaucracy run by violent homosexuals who want your children (think CPS in Sodom and Gomorrah), and an evolution towards a South African style state. The cops won’t be there to stop any of it and, at best, will turn a blind eye if they aren’t directly participating in it.

I think this may be a good depiction of what to expect within our lifetime or our children’s (absent the heroic underground resistance theme):

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I happen to be in South Africa and although we can still get guns at quite an expense and after all the permits etc its very hard to be allowed to actually use the gun in an emergency, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him it can be a huge problem, iv heard so many stories, the law protects the criminals not the good guys, the criminals actually have rights while breaking into a home they not allowed to be shot if they turned their backs and only if the so many meters from you and directly threatening your life then after so many warning shots can you then shoot etc, a crazy situation, our police have actually admitted publically that they are unable to handle all the crime yet at the same time they still trying to disarm law abiding citizens, they recently passed a bill to say NO to people who want to purchase a gun for self defense reasons, so to get around that you need to join a hunting club and make that a reason to buy a gun but God bless you if you defend yourself with that hunting gun, thats why I said you guys in USA are blessed, enjoy it
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I happen to be in South Africa and although we can still get guns at quite an expense and after all the permits etc its very hard to be allowed to actually use the gun in an emergency, if someone breaks into your house and you shoot him it can be a huge problem, iv heard so many stories, the law protects the criminals not the good guys, the criminals actually have rights while breaking into a home they not allowed to be shot if they turned their backs and only if the so many meters from you and directly threatening your life then after so many warning shots can you then shoot etc, a crazy situation, our police have actually admitted publically that they are unable to handle all the crime yet at the same time they still trying to disarm law abiding citizens, they recently passed a bill to say NO to people who want to purchase a gun for self defense reasons, so to get around that you need to join a hunting club and make that a reason to buy a gun but God bless you if you defend yourself with that hunting gun, thats why I said you guys in USA are blessed, enjoy it
What happens if you use other weapons there such as a sword or a bow and arrow? I am not trying to make a joke, I am seriously wondering if you could get away with using these to defend your home. However, I know if you are dealing with more than one invader, this would be a huge challenge with just these weapons unless you are an expert.

Is this a racial issue or does it affect everybody the same. If a black man kills a black criminal invading his home, is he also treated badly by the court?
 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
What happens if you use other weapons there such as a sword or a bow and arrow? I am not trying to make a joke, I am seriously wondering if you could get away with using these to defend your home. However, I know if you are dealing with more than one invader, this would be a huge challenge with just these weapons unless you are an expert.

Is this a racial issue or does it affect everybody the same. If a black man kills a black criminal invading his home, is he also treated badly by the court?
Its basically the same with any weapon just because you have a bow or knife doesnt mean you can just shoot or attack a guy climbing over your wall, I dont think its really racial but it does become worse if the home owner is white and the thief is black, even the recent riots we had in South Africa the army and cops were non existant and white people literally just defended themselves and did an amazing job and they were very critisized in the media for it and some politicians said they didnt like seeing white people just taking guns and shooting at blacks they said its not allowed haha but the Indian community literally went into the black community and set their neighborhoods on fire and burnt down all the shacks and that story was not really highlighted in the media even though it was far worse, I even had videos of coloured people tying up black people and whipping them and beating them up and that also never made the news so although its not really a racial thing it becomes a racial thing like nobody in the media ever critisized the black looters! Iv heard many stories where cops and lawyers actually encourage you to rather shoot and kill home invaders and some even suggest keeping plastic guns in zip lock bags at home incase they ever shoot a criminal to rather plant the toy guns in their hands and prefably call the Ambulance first as this shows you tried to save life, the ambulance can take hours to arrive so if you have a serious wound you probably wont make it anyway, but if the criminal lives its his word against your word and they know this, my uncles friend shot a home invader once and the criminal literally told the courts he was just thirsty and wanted to drink water and the guy spent like 8 million in court fees, the funny thing is there was a swimming pool to drink water from yet he justified breaking a window to enter the house to drink water
 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
What happens if you use other weapons there such as a sword or a bow and arrow? I am not trying to make a joke, I am seriously wondering if you could get away with using these to defend your home. However, I know if you are dealing with more than one invader, this would be a huge challenge with just these weapons unless you are an expert.

Is this a racial issue or does it affect everybody the same. If a black man kills a black criminal invading his home, is he also treated badly by the court?
To answer if a black person kills another black person, well its kind of light the BLM issue in USA nobody cares if blacks kill other blacks, in the black community they dont even call the cops they have something called mob justice where they basically tie up criminals and rapists and go to the public squares with thousands of residents and they will either stone you, burn you alive or beat you to death in a very brutal way, I even saw videos of guys being stripped naked, tied up and beaten with wooden axe handles which breaks bones, im sure if you go on youtube there might be videos, probably the worst is when they necklace people, they put a car tyre over your head with petrol, tie you up and burn you, I watched some before on videos and its a really horrible way to go
 

Yeagerist

Woodpecker
Orthodox Catechumen
Gonna throw in my two cents as a foreigner who has been following U.S. politics for a long time. The only conclusion I could make is that the elites who run this country will find one way or another to disarm the American populace--or more specifically, gaslight them into giving up their firearms out of a guilty conscience towards the victims of mass shooters who more or less have tacit glowie and fed support. The American Constitution as the Founding Fathers designed had long been broken and subverted by those who seek to usher the New World Order using the United States' economic and industrial base, and they're going to use each and every loophole to bring American society towards their dystopian rule.

This is not just with 2A but also with 1A (the whole church vs state "issue" which is just a smokescreen to drive out Christian morals out of the public school system) and 4A (after 9/11 and the establishment of the DHS and the TSA).

Mass shootings in the US were extremely rare before the year 2000, even with guns being widely available. The reason why mass shootings are increasing in my opinion is because of the rise of single motherhood, broken families and antidepressant pills in the US. Many violent criminals in prison also came from fatherless homes. Single motherhood and broken families along with pharmaceutical drugs will increase both violent crimes and mass shootings in the US. Unless this root cause is addressed and properly fixed, expect to see mass shootings continually increase.
Take note that these social trends are also being pushed as part of social engineering by the elites, and they're conveniently overlooked while the public is kept distracted by the "debate" over gun control. Combine this with the destructive grooming of woke capitalism, among other things, and the USA is steadily going towards being like Brazil or South Africa.

To answer if a black person kills another black person, well its kind of light the BLM issue in USA nobody cares if blacks kill other blacks, in the black community they dont even call the cops they have something called mob justice where they basically tie up criminals and rapists and go to the public squares with thousands of residents and they will either stone you, burn you alive or beat you to death in a very brutal way, I even saw videos of guys being stripped naked, tied up and beaten with wooden axe handles which breaks bones, im sure if you go on youtube there might be videos, probably the worst is when they necklace people, they put a car tyre over your head with petrol, tie you up and burn you, I watched some before on videos and its a really horrible way to go
This mob justice thing is also a common occurrence in some sub-Saharan countries.
 

John777

Sparrow
Protestant
Gonna throw in my two cents as a foreigner who has been following U.S. politics for a long time. The only conclusion I could make is that the elites who run this country will find one way or another to disarm the American populace--or more specifically, gaslight them into giving up their firearms

The elites will fail at this.

If you think their failure to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain peasants in the Middle East was embarrassing, just wait until they try to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain Americans.
 

Mike_Key

Woodpecker
The elites will fail at this.

If you think their failure to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain peasants in the Middle East was embarrassing, just wait until they try to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain Americans.
The BLM cattle police backed away and stood down.

Sad day, really ... overall.

Ahem, during the Obama Admin, no surprise there ... (2014 BLM Agents of Nevada versus the Bundy family).

There are massive forces at play, hopefully peace is kept.

John 3:16
 

The Penitent Man

Kingfisher
Protestant
The elites will fail at this.

If you think their failure to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain peasants in the Middle East was embarrassing, just wait until they try to subdue illiterate, heavily-armed mountain Americans.
Overconfidence, as opposed to cautious optimism and pragmatism, has been a trademark characteristic of Americans for the duration of my lifetime. This is especially true of the right, which has done nothing but lose any ground they ever held, also for the duration of my lifetime.

Those Middle Eastern mountain peasants had a resolve Americans no longer possess. Americans have never known hardship. Those Middle Eastern peasants, to borrow the phrase, were born into it. I like your sentiment, but I only have faith in God. Talk is cheap. I’ll believe the “come and take it” bumper sticker crowd when I see it.
 

Good_Shepherd

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Gonna throw in my two cents as a foreigner who has been following U.S. politics for a long time. The only conclusion I could make is that the elites who run this country will find one way or another to disarm the American populace--or more specifically, gaslight them into giving up their firearms out of a guilty conscience towards the victims of mass shooters who more or less have tacit glowie and fed support. The American Constitution as the Founding Fathers designed had long been broken and subverted by those who seek to usher the New World Order using the United States' economic and industrial base, and they're going to use each and every loophole to bring American society towards their dystopian rule.

This is not just with 2A but also with 1A (the whole church vs state "issue" which is just a smokescreen to drive out Christian morals out of the public school system) and 4A (after 9/11 and the establishment of the DHS and the TSA).


Take note that these social trends are also being pushed as part of social engineering by the elites, and they're conveniently overlooked while the public is kept distracted by the "debate" over gun control. Combine this with the destructive grooming of woke capitalism, among other things, and the USA is steadily going towards being like Brazil or South Africa.


This mob justice thing is also a common occurrence in some sub-Saharan countries.
I dont like mob justice a human being should have a fair trial to first find out if he is guilty and then either freed if innocent or punished reasonably according to the crime, you are right about America they always trying to make an excuse to take away guns, to fight this the pro gun people need to start showing videos and reporting stories of all the mass shootings that were prevented by gun owners and the home invaders defending themselves and promoting how many lives law abiding gun owners have saved.
 

presidentcarter

Ostrich
Protestant
Gold Member
Overconfidence, as opposed to cautious optimism and pragmatism, has been a trademark characteristic of Americans for the duration of my lifetime. This is especially true of the right, which has done nothing but lose any ground they ever held, also for the duration of my lifetime.

Those Middle Eastern mountain peasants had a resolve Americans no longer possess. Americans have never known hardship. Those Middle Eastern peasants, to borrow the phrase, were born into it. I like your sentiment, but I only have faith in God. Talk is cheap. I’ll believe the “come and take it” bumper sticker crowd when I see it.
The ‘come and take it’ folks that I know are as serious as a heart attack.

Many of them more than eager to prove the slogan.

Many of them already have a body count from the sandbox. Others stand on the shoulders of veteran family members, some of which have Nazi body counts.

Many will offer you a spare rifle, so I’d decide ahead of time if you’ll criticize from the sidelines or if you’ll take up the sword in addition to prayers.

I agree trust in God is the only hope but it doesn’t sound like we know the same crowd.
 

John777

Sparrow
Protestant
Those Middle Eastern mountain peasants had a resolve Americans no longer possess. Americans have never known hardship. Those Middle Eastern peasants, to borrow the phrase, were born into it. I like your sentiment, but I only have faith in God. Talk is cheap. I’ll believe the “come and take it” bumper sticker crowd when I see it.

I agree this is true of most Americans, including most Americans in rural areas. But, there is always a remnant left of God's people. I believe it will be in the mountainous regions of the USA, from the Rockies to Appalachians, to Ozarks and everywhere in between. Mountains are harder to attack and easier to defend. The tough, determined remnant will be able to move and concentrate in specific locations.

Only God knows the outcome of course, and there will be many wars before the end comes. But my personal opinion is America is the great city which spiritually is known as Sodom and Gomorrah, the Great Babylon, the whore that sits upon many waters, corrupted the earth, and made the merchants of the earth rich by her many fornications. I think Babylon represents actual historical Babylon of course, Rome too, the British Empire, really every great, modern empire that all became degenerate and were judged by God and destroyed, or greatly reduced. When I read in the Apocalypse about how Babylon will be split into three parts, and the Lord will destroy two and preserve one, I personally am convinced that refers to America of the modern day.

At some point the armies of the beast and Satan will be allowed to make war on the saints and prevail over them. It's already happened many times since Christ first came, and surely will again. But, I don't think that is going to happen this time.

In the near future, I think the gay armies of soy-eating, gender-confused, God-hating she-men are going to be destroyed, and the brown world + Russia will get its temporary revenge on the elites who currently rule the former European colonial powers that colonized the brown lands (Africa, Asia, South America) in the 1400s-1800s. Part of that will be, the invading armies will stop when they encounter tough resistance in the mountainous areas. But the gay, weak, female coastlands will be completely destroyed. No nation can survive without men, and there are many nations in the world (mostly brown) who do not have this problem, of punishing and hating masculinity, then ending up with incompetent female and gay leadership. Think of the Islamic nations, all of the Hispanic nations, India, China, and Russia. These nations have strong family values, intact tradition, and strong men. The women generally respect the men, and male leadership in general.

There is a reason banners across the Islamic world now proudly proclaim "The Armies of God Have Defeated The Great Satan". I think we will see a lot more of that, and closer to home. Just like when Rome fell, it didn't take more than a few brief forays into Roman territory for the Gothic armies to realize Rome could be easily sacked, which it then was.

My personal prediction. If my thinking is naive, please point it out. I certainly don't know everything, but I do my best to read the writing on the wall, and act on what I see.
 
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MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
Overconfidence, as opposed to cautious optimism and pragmatism, has been a trademark characteristic of Americans for the duration of my lifetime. This is especially true of the right, which has done nothing but lose any ground they ever held, also for the duration of my lifetime.

Those Middle Eastern mountain peasants had a resolve Americans no longer possess. Americans have never known hardship. Those Middle Eastern peasants, to borrow the phrase, were born into it. I like your sentiment, but I only have faith in God. Talk is cheap. I’ll believe the “come and take it” bumper sticker crowd when I see it.
I think a few brave ones will resist and get killed or get thrown in prison for many years and CNN will quickly label those who dare to resist as Nazis, white supremacists, and domestic terrorists while blaming Tucker Carlson for inciting people to rebel against laws that require Americans to hand in their weapons. The number resisting will be small, but there will be a few.

The good thing is that if you believe in god, you will be braver to face death versus the average person. I suppose there is some comfort in this.

The Middle Eastern peasants have resolve partly because of their strong religious beliefs. It is also psychologically easier to face an outside enemy. It is hard to face internal enemies when this not only includes politicians and soldiers but also your own neighbors and relatives. It might compare to being anti-Communist in Stalin's USSR (not as bad yet but in the future USA, it very well might be).
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
I dont like mob justice a human being should have a fair trial to first find out if he is guilty and then either freed if innocent or punished reasonably according to the crime, you are right about America they always trying to make an excuse to take away guns, to fight this the pro gun people need to start showing videos and reporting stories of all the mass shootings that were prevented by gun owners and the home invaders defending themselves and promoting how many lives law abiding gun owners have saved.
I dislike mob justice as well, but it is understandable when the nation's court system lets guilty people go free or gives them slaps on the wrist and the police are paid off by gangs and won't arrest gang members. Vigilante justice is preferable to no justice at all.

I can't imagine the South Africa justice system is fair and impartial. My guess is also that most of the police are lazy and corrupt and you can't really blame them because they likely just learned this from their bosses and more experienced colleagues.

I feel bad for the decent law-abiding people in S. Africa that just want to live a simple life and can't because of lowlife scum in their area. Maybe more vigilante justice is needed.
 
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