The Sopranos Discussion/Appreciation Thread
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Mikan said:
I just had a realization and have not found any info on whether anyone else has noticed.
As fans know, Chris Moltisanti thought Tony and Adriana had an affair. Tony was able to convince Chris that nothing had happened, but it created a rift in their relationship. The rift magnified when Tony ordered the hit on Adriana.
Later, Chris created a movie called "Cleaver." In the movie, the main character, obviously an avatar of Tony Soprano, has sex with his nephew's girlfriend. When the film was screened, everyone (Carmela, Jackie Jr.'s mom) noticed the uncomfortable implication, except Tony himself.
So here's my realization. In the Shakespeare play Hamlet, the Hamlet character thinks his Uncle Claudius murdered Hamlet's father. But Hamlet isn't sure. So Hamlet stages a play (play-within-a-play) in which a man murders his brother, as a sort of test to see how Claudius reacts to the performance. I think Chris's motivation in making "Cleaver" was the same. It was intended to test Tony.
There are other parallels between Chris and Hamlet. Both bedeviled with uncertainty, both having murderous feelings toward their father figures, both feeling they had to avenge the death of their real fathers. Hamlet appears to go mad throughout the play, and Chris loses his cool too, even succumbing to drug addiction.
Anyway, I found this parallel quite interesting. And would be surprised if it were pure coincidence.
As fans know, Chris Moltisanti thought Tony and Adriana had an affair. Tony was able to convince Chris that nothing had happened, but it created a rift in their relationship. The rift magnified when Tony ordered the hit on Adriana.
Later, Chris created a movie called "Cleaver." In the movie, the main character, obviously an avatar of Tony Soprano, has sex with his nephew's girlfriend. When the film was screened, everyone (Carmela, Jackie Jr.'s mom) noticed the uncomfortable implication, except Tony himself.
So here's my realization. In the Shakespeare play Hamlet, the Hamlet character thinks his Uncle Claudius murdered Hamlet's father. But Hamlet isn't sure. So Hamlet stages a play (play-within-a-play) in which a man murders his brother, as a sort of test to see how Claudius reacts to the performance. I think Chris's motivation in making "Cleaver" was the same. It was intended to test Tony.
There are other parallels between Chris and Hamlet. Both bedeviled with uncertainty, both having murderous feelings toward their father figures, both feeling they had to avenge the death of their real fathers. Hamlet appears to go mad throughout the play, and Chris loses his cool too, even succumbing to drug addiction.
Anyway, I found this parallel quite interesting. And would be surprised if it were pure coincidence.
TigerMandingo said:Meat Head said:
My guess is they've been typecast. Imperioli, Tony Sirico, the guy who played Big Pussy have been relegated to mob movies only. Imperioli is getting some work here and there but it's nothing compared to the success he had on The Sopranos.
You're right though, it's a damn shame that we don't get to see these guys meanwhile Zac Efron or Seth Rogen get $50 million movie deals
I heard a story that the guys typecast in the Sopranos and other mob shows used to hang out together at all the NYC restaurants together... Apparently the real mob guys were eager as hell to hang out with them, because they liked these guy's performances so much.
Surprisingly good, guy was excellent as Tony
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^-- that's also one of my favorite scenes.
It's the "meta conversation" between the show creators and the audience.
Okay: you guys got to see all of this fun, glorified violence, crime, etc. You rationalized it as a come-up and economic alpha male force to be reckoned with.
But: you don't get EVERYTHING you want. You don't get to see the pitbull (of Melfi's dream) go on the attack to avenge our innocent shrinktagonist.
Beautiful restraint shown.
It's the "meta conversation" between the show creators and the audience.
Okay: you guys got to see all of this fun, glorified violence, crime, etc. You rationalized it as a come-up and economic alpha male force to be reckoned with.
But: you don't get EVERYTHING you want. You don't get to see the pitbull (of Melfi's dream) go on the attack to avenge our innocent shrinktagonist.
Beautiful restraint shown.
David Chase Revives ‘The Sopranos’ With New Line Prequel Movie ‘The Many Saints Of Newark’
http://deadline.com/2018/03/david-c...he-many-saints-of-newark-new-line-1202319202/
Called it:
http://deadline.com/2018/03/david-c...he-many-saints-of-newark-new-line-1202319202/
Called it:
Sombro said:I know they'd never do it, but a Sopranos prequel series would have been great. Focusing on Johnny Boy Soprano and his crew, the family antics that led to Tony and Janice's neuroses, etc. There's plenty of characters and backstory that could've been developed further.
Wow, this is interesting, l wonder was Paulie Walnuts always a cunt or was it just in later years