The Sopranos Discussion/Appreciation Thread

M3B

Ostrich
Gold Member
Just finished watching it for the first time. For me, it’s the best TV show out there.

I think that with shows/films from the late 90s and early 2000s, there’s much more of an emphasis on atmosphere and tension through acting, whereas these days they make things too obvious for the viewer. There’s not as much subtlety, and obvious camera methods, close ups and so on spoon feed the viewer.

Some of the tensions and character building in the Sopranos was world class. The acting throughout was world class, and didn’t fall into cliched methods that you see across different shows or movies.

For example, I was watching Thor 2 the other day, and there’s a bit where Natalie Portman’s Intern interrupts her on a date. The girl starts grabbing their food rudely and talking really loudly with her mouth full, and comes across really arrogant and flippant. I see this particular style all the time in Hollywood productions and even in TV these days. I guess some of you will know what I’m getting at.

It was refreshing how “real” it all was, and that’s a huge testament to the cast and producers.

I’ll defintely re-watch it. I’m glad I watched it for the first time at my current age rather than when I was younger and wouldn’t have appreciated it as much.

Some points:

- nobody else could have been Tony and brought that show together as well as Gandolfini did
- Tony’s expressions were brilliant throughout, particularly when he was laughing or smiling because it seemed so genuine
- Tony (and all of them really) were highly emotional guys. Tony was shown to be but he was a smart guy too. You see somebody wrong him or talk shit to him sometimes and he lets it go, after thinking that he will fuck the guy up, but you know he’s playing the long game
- not closing out a particular part of a story arc was genius. Sometimes you think you can predict how the show is going to go but then they don’t address an issue again
- Isabella for me was the hottest in the show. As close to a 10 for me as possible. The chick he bangs in Vegas a close second
- Chris and Paulie’s relationship was brilliant
- the scene posted on here about Melfi almost asking for Tony to kill the rapist was incredibly done. I actually felt a bit uncomfortable during her rape scene and was surprised at how they did it given how things are these days
- Edie Falco/Carmella’s acting when she was hurt by Tony when they broke up was some of the best I’ve seen. Anyone who has hurt a girl like that before or been in a vulnerable state like that themselves will know how pure and well done that was. Her crying into that pillow was something else
- any red pill guy would want a wife like Carmella. She made the home, always had food on the go, supported Tony when he needed backing up (at the teacher’s meeting about AJ you think she is going to side with the teacher but she backs Tony up for example)
- Richie Aprile was the scariest fucker on the show. I wish he had lasted longer because he was genuinely one of those characters that had you on the edge of your seat. When he saw the maid’s husband wearing that leather jacket - priceless.
- Puss talking to AJ while wearing the wire was tense
- I really liked Bobby’s character. I felt sorry for him at first and thought he was a genuine nice guy that was acting up to his role in the family as things progressed. The train set thing was to me a reminder that he was just a big kid
- I loved Tony asking Paulie if he had Tourette’s. I’d noticed he had that little laugh all the time and thought it was good for a character in the show to address it
- although they were great characters, I couldn’t bear Janice or Livia
- I found the final scene with Junior pretty harrowing
- I found the development of AJ into a little bitch whinging about the environment quite puzzling
- I found the come and go nature of Meadow in and out of the show also a bit weak
- the guy going “oh shit!” after Phil died cracked me up to no end

Many more good points have been made in this thread but that’s my take without going a lot further.
 
I don't see what the big deal with product placement is. I'd much rather characters in movies use brands that we all know because it's far more realistic. In the Sopranos, a lot of the guys wear Fila tracksuits for example. Guess what, Italian gangsters actually wear that brand quite often. It wasn't thrown in there to give Fila exposure (although I'm sure it didn't hurt).

There's also a scene where Paulie is drinking Yoohoo chocolate milk (lol). I later looked it up and apparently Yoohoo was a NJ-based company.
 

456

Kingfisher
Absolutely -- even random minor items they use (milk, shipping logos on random trucks that drive by) are local to the tri-state area.
 

Kona

Crow
Gold Member
TigerMandingo said:
There's also a scene where Paulie is drinking Yoohoo chocolate milk (lol). I later looked it up and apparently Yoohoo was a NJ-based company.

Here's another scene involving yoo-hoo:


Aloha!
 

456

Kingfisher
Yoohoo really was ubiquitous around the tri-state area in the 90's.

It wasn't chocolate milk, it was chocolate milk flavored "something" that went down easy. There's a chain of italian ices that has a yoohoo flavor; incredible.

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Out of curiosity -- was it ever popular in the south, or west, or anywhere else??
 

RIslander

Hummingbird
456 said:
Yoohoo really was ubiquitous around the tri-state area in the 90's.

It wasn't chocolate milk, it was chocolate milk flavored "something" that went down easy. There's a chain of italian ices that has a yoohoo flavor; incredible.

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Out of curiosity -- was it ever popular in the south, or west, or anywhere else??

It was popular in New England. Snapple was also popular in NJ but I don't remember any references in The Sopranos.
 

456

Kingfisher
RIslander -- yeah figured Yoohoo for a Northeastern drink.

Snapple guy had a mansion on Long Island and I think was a general NY guy, hence its popularity in tri-state area.
 

456

Kingfisher
Tony, by the way, is a hell of a repository for "Agree and Amplify" and myriad other verbal quips and comebacks. His verbal intelligence makes the show -- even his errors.
 
I feel like media on organized crime is very lacking currently. Goodfellas, Sopranos, Godfather are arguably the best movies and tv show but currently there is no media focusing on organized crime that is really comparable to those great movies/shows. I'm watching boardwalk empire and to me it doesn't even come close to the sopranos. So far I feel like season 1/2 are much better then season 3/4.
 
Boardwalk was amazing for Seasons 1 and 2. Even 3 was really good.

It's an abortion after that. And I hate having to say that, because I wanted it to be great. But the talent of the Sopranos technical crew and the energy of Scorsese's pilot really carried the first few seasons.
 

porscheguy

Ostrich
Not sure if this has been mentioned. Joe Pantoliano played Ralph Cifaretto for two seasons. He was interviewed and dropped a serious red pill truth about his experience.

"After a Sopranos episode in which his character brutally beat a young stripper to death, during an interview he stated, "After the episode aired a lot more women started hitting on me. I thought it was very revealing."
 
My favourite show of all the time. Sadly it never took off in Italy (where the characters heritage is from) due to shitty dubbing and the episodes being aired at 11pm.

My two favourite scene:


When Tony says "we gotta hit first" you can see in Sil face that he does not agree at all, but even though he's the consigliere he can not go against the boss since its too late in the game. Also the first time where Bobby Baccala is given any real sign of respect from Tony, all mixed with the amazing reference to raging bull playing the Intermezzo.


This is probably the saddest scene of the whole series. When Tony tells Uncle Junior about this thing of ours and how he used to ran North Jersey all he could answer was "oh that's nice". Anyone that has had a relative with dementia can recognise the blank stare in their face and the sadness in knowing that all the memories you have built together your whole life have been flushed away from the illness.
Then you are just powerless and left in tears as Tony is in this scene.
 

RIslander

Hummingbird
wellrockthecity said:

This is probably the saddest scene of the whole series. When Tony tells Uncle Junior about this thing of ours and how he used to ran North Jersey all he could answer was "oh that's nice". Anyone that has had a relative with dementia can recognise the blank stare in their face and the sadness in knowing that all the memories you have built together your whole life have been flushed away from the illness.
Then you are just powerless and left in tears as Tony is in this scene.

I think this scene is about the futility of life... and Tony recognizing the fact that life is, in the end, meaningless. Junior made it to old age after being the head of a family only to dismally wither away, alone, in a cloud of nothingness. This scene is about Tony recognizing a harsh truth, and both figuratively and literally walking away from it, as he always does.
 

Barron

Ostrich
Gold Member
Been taking my time going through this show the past couple months. About to finish season 6, The Sopranos has definitely become one of my all time favorites. Planning on going through this thread in its entity once I finish the series to add my two cents on just how beautifully red pill the show is.

Also just noticed that HBO's prequel movie, The Many Saints of Newark, will feature Gandolfini's son as the young Tony Soprano in 1960s Newark.
 

mr-ed209

Sparrow
Almost finished watching it for the first time. Already the best show i've seen.

One thing that struck me, is the casting of Gandolfini; as the brutish, not conventionally handsome alpha is quite key to much of its realism, and something that likely wouldn't be tolerated by audiences today. Tony's appeal would trigger too many vice articles about patriarchal oppression etc and comparisons to Weinstein etc. But anyone watching that show with a brain can feel how real the interactions are, between Tony, his wife and all the goomahs. You just know that many of the storylines and events will be roughly transcribed from real life experience or reportings from the mob.

I think the Italian mafia genre (The Sopranos, Godfather, Goodfellas etc) was so successful purely because of the realism they portray thats so lacking in almost every other movie or tv show. Watching them feels almost like an education on social ladders and alpha qualities.
 
Last 3 years I've watched the entire series twice for the same reasons:
-greatest characters;which other series had a Christopher,Dr Melfi,Paulie and a slew of supporting characters like Hesh,Gloria and Father Phil?
-greatest dialogue that could honestly win an award of its own like this:http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdUOG8pL_m0
"He killed 16 Czechoslovakians; guy was an interior decorator"

Priceless!
-all helping to propel a story along so well every episode was as good as the previous

Breaking Bad came close but never reached Sopranos class. The Shield would have been great not just very good had Chase not given us the Sopranos.
 
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