The Srebrenica massacre: a lesson in Western propaganda

[Irenicus]

Interesting, do you have some articles or studies that detail this? I need to visit Bosnia soon to find out for myself. I am not Bosnian Serb btw but i knew people that lived there.

The only thing i have heard from Serbs that live there and Serbian media is the exact opposite. Like PainPositive said, we Serbs are like one big family, i know people in Zurich, Stockholm, Berlin, Vienna, Rotterdam, if i want to know what is going on there or make business i just have to make a quick call. I hope we never lose this quality.

You Croatians are alot different in this regard, young Croats are liberal and more individualistic.

I am sorry for not answering earlier, I forgot about this thread.


In several forums, this has been discussed, and many facts that have been brought to light in the 2013 population census, have been predicted at least few years prior. Also, a lot of local newspapers and experts took information and observations from these two forums.


Although these forums are more concerned about the Croat population in Bosnia, there is also plenty of information concerning the local Serbs as well (written by Serb members mostly).


Yes, both threads are huge, but you can truly learn a lot.


http://hercegbosna.org/forum/politi...i-arsko-demografske-politike-bosnji-t252.html

http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=880575

 

[TigerMandingo]

Madeleine (((Albright))) - the mastermind behind the bombing of Serbia - was confronted a few years back at some conference in Prague.

She yelled out "Disgusting Serbs" during the incident. A major western politician demonized an entire people and not a peep in the MSM. Incredible.

 

[sterling_archer]

Saw this thread because of your bump TigerMandingo. I must say I am surprised by the amount of easygoing about this, still a pretty much taboo subject.

Based on research, I must say that massacre happened and it was instigated by Serbs as part of ethnic cleansing (their modus operandi during 90s), but also there is heavy propaganda against Serbia being ultimate bad guys. So we have mixed situation here.
So no black/white thinking will help understand the foreigners (and even domestic people) nature of the war in Yugoslavia.

 

[Meister Eckhart]

Saw this thread because of your bump TigerMandingo. I must say I am surprised by the amount of easygoing about this, still a pretty much taboo subject.

Based on research, I must say that massacre happened and it was instigated by Serbs as part of ethnic cleansing (their modus operandi during 90s), but also there is heavy propaganda against Serbia being ultimate bad guys. So we have mixed situation here.
So no black/white thinking will help understand the foreigners (and even domestic people) nature of the war in Yugoslavia.

I agree. The problem is Western Europe forgot that nation-states are never formed without bloodshed. Since Western Europe did all of the population-transfers/genocide by the end of WWII, people forgot that ethnic groups don't have clean boundaries. Nobody remembers the issues regarding places like Alsace-Lorraine or Silesia nor do they really care.

Supposedly, the idea was to preserve borders at status-quo to freeze conflicts, but then the Kosovo adventure blew up that agreement.

 

[sterling_archer]

I like your nickname. Its great that you are familiar with the work of this great thinker.

 

[Khan]

Madeleine (((Albright))) - the mastermind behind the bombing of Serbia - was confronted a few years back at some conference in Prague.

She yelled out "Disgusting Serbs" during the incident. A major western politician demonized an entire people and not a peep in the MSM. Incredible.

It's not the first time Albright had an incident in which the Serbs were involved. In 1996, while serving as the United States Ambassador to the UN, she came to visit the Croatian city of Vukovar. The city was then still held by the Serbs, but a peaceful reintegration of the whole region into Croatia was underway. While walking around the city, local Serbs pelted her motorcade with stones. That could be the reason for her personal animosity towards the Serbs.

Not that Albright was any better towards us, anyway. When she was appointed as Secretary of State in 1997, she took an active role in US attempts to undermine the Croatian government and replace it with a more compliant one. Our first president Franjo Tuđman was often at odds with her, as he always supported Bosnian Croats and never wanted to agree with American plans for Bosnia. A fun fact - Albright later complained that while having a phone talk, he hung up on her twice.

I wish today we had a president or prime minister that would have the balls to hang up the phone to our US overlords. It wouldn't have to be the Secretary of State. A simple ambassador would do just as well.

 

[sterling_archer]

In times like these now, you are asking too much!

 

[TigerMandingo]

Saw this thread because of your bump TigerMandingo. I must say I am surprised by the amount of easygoing about this, still a pretty much taboo subject.

Based on research, I must say that massacre happened and it was instigated by Serbs as part of ethnic cleansing (their modus operandi during 90s), but also there is heavy propaganda against Serbia being ultimate bad guys. So we have mixed situation here.
So no black/white thinking will help understand the foreigners (and even domestic people) nature of the war in Yugoslavia.

Sources? Links? Besides the Wiki entry on the massacre...

 

[sterling_archer]

Most of it is in Croatian, but for that guy it was ensured to me that he is a real deal. There is no reason for a Croat or Bosniak to question this story as we were first hand witnesses to what Serbs did during this war and in World War 2. Propaganda is another matter, but telling that Serbia is innocent is another thing.

 

[TigerMandingo]

Most of it is in Croatian, but for that guy it was ensured to me that he is a real deal. There is no reason for a Croat or Bosniak to question this story as we were first hand witnesses to what Serbs did during this war and in World War 2. Propaganda is another matter, but telling that Serbia is innocent is another thing.

Surely if Serbia committed all these terrible crimes there must be reputable sources in English as well, no?

 

[Khan]

Surely if Serbia committed all these terrible crimes there must be reputable sources in English as well, no?

The massacre in Srebrenica was executed by Bosnian Serbs, not by the government in Belgrade. As for the extent Serbia itself was involved (if it was involved at all) in that particular crime, that's another matter.

 

[tomzestatlu]

Madeleine (((Albright))) - the mastermind behind the bombing of Serbia - was confronted a few years back at some conference in Prague.

She yelled out "Disgusting Serbs" during the incident. A major western politician demonized an entire people and not a peep in the MSM. Incredible.

It's not the first time Albright had an incident in which the Serbs were involved.

In this video there are not any Serbs involved, they all are Czechs (maybe there can be someone with serb origin). I wish somebody punched her in the face, she is disguisting.

Srebrenica massacre is a lie. Of course, war was horrible and there were bad guys on all sides, also between Serbs. What can be said for sure that Serbs are too much demonized and many crimes they are accused off are not real or done by them. And Srebrenica is one of them.

A lor of Serbs were acused of war crimes and were held in Hague for many years. But none of the crimes were sticked. They were just held there, so they couldn´t politically influence their country.

Don´t listen to Croats blaming Serbs. They have enough blood on their on hands and have no right to speak against different nation.

 

[sterling_archer]

They have enough blood on their on hands and have no right to speak against different nation.

With that logic, no Serb can speak against different nation also. Research Greater Serbia plans and Serbian war crimes during WWII and the 90s.

 

[Irenicus]

Can we have yet another Croats vs. Serbs topic, please?


Especially on the forum that discuses a variety of topics that benefit both nations?


U vrazhju mater! (God damn it!)... .

 

[sterling_archer]

U pichku materinu! (Into the mother's cunt!)

 

[sterling_archer]

Was there ever Croats vs. Serbs topic?

 

[Irenicus]

I think one went that way (can't recall which one), but, thank God for a ban hammer.


As you can see (especially on this topic), Croatian and Serbian members get along fine in this forum (we are not Yugoslavia fans as I can see). Speaking for myself, I would prefer this forum to stay that way, and I urge forum members (especially non natives), to avoid causing drama between us.

 

[tomzestatlu]

I am not Serb and I don´t have anything to do with Serbia. Sorry for that comment, I don´t want to start any flame between any nations on this forum. I only overreacted that somebody Croatian spread "truth" about Serbs from Croatian sources. I have nothing against Croatia.

 

[Irenicus]

I am not Serb and I don´t have anything to do with Serbia. Sorry for that comment, I don´t want to start any flame between any nations on this forum. I only overreacted that somebody Croatian spread "truth" about Serbs from Croatian sources. I have nothing against Croatia.

I know that it was not your intention and there is no need for apologize. Many good topics, on various forums devolved into Croats vs. Serbs, and I do not want this to happen on this forum as well.


Yes, both nations have committed crimes on each other, and there is absolutely no doubt about that. But, instead of wasting all our energy on things that happened long ago, and which we cannot change, would not be nicer if we focus all our energy at things that are happening right now, and we can actually change?

 

[Khan]

But, instead of wasting all our energy on things that happened long ago, and which we cannot change, would not be nicer if we focus all our energy at things that are happening right now, and we can actually change?

That would indeed be nice. Actually, what people both domestic and abroad nowadays rarely perceive is the fact that, if you exclude endless bickering about history and who is responsible for more crimes and whatnot, Serbs and Croats don't have a single major point of conflict anymore. None whatsoever.

What we do have is one major point of joint interest. And that is the status of Bosnia, which is a failed state destined to break apart in the future, which can drastically affect the security of our countries. And when it does break apart, we ought to cooperate in order to protect our joint interests and help safeguard the safety of Serbs and Croats living in Bosnia. Naturally, I'm more skeptical about our part of the deal since Croatian politicians, unlike the Serbian ones, are major cucks who always do what they're told from Washington or Brussels.

What I'd also like is for people in our respective countries to realize the following:

- in Croatia, the people should realize that Republika Srpska is a done deal, and accept to live with it and move on. A lot of people oppose it's potential independence because they think having a Serbian state 50 miles away from the Croatian capital would somehow be disastrous for our geopolitical position and security. On the other hand, the same people think it's perfectly OK to let Izetbegović's closet Islamists enforce their ideas about a multi-ethnic (which practically means Muslim-dominated) Bosnia on everyone else. That's utter nonsense.

I don't think a single Croatian politician has ever thought of doing a 180-degree turn - that is, covertly supporting Dodik's ambitions in order to bring Srpska into our sphere of influence. This is something that would be very well within the realms of possibility, if you consider geography and Dodik's character.

- in Serbia, some politicians should finally accept that Croatia is an independent country, that former Yugoslavia is gone, and move on. Things are never going to return to what they were during Yugoslav times. For example, it's annoying to listen to Serbian PM Vučić and his supporters, who continually complain and bemoan about ze evil Croats who expelled millions of Serbs from their ancestral motherland. Even if Vučić's tirades are just a part of pre-election trash talk, they're still annoying and very...bitch-like. If I were a Croatian politician and had a chance to meet Vučić, I'd politely ask him to either invade us, or shut the fuck up.