The Star Wars thread

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Oh brother...these people are taking it way too seriously over a fictional movie character.

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Easy_C

Peacock
I suspect the goal is more to push propaganda than make money.

Which STILL means they've failed. It's too on the nose to succeed. The right way to do it is like those 90's cartoons that starred a cast of "diverse" teen heroes. Those were subtle enough to be effective.
 

CaptainS

Hummingbird
CynicalContrarian said:
^
Heh.
Couldn't have happened to a nastier company - Disney.

There was a massive shift in Disney in the mid 80s. After a ton of takeover rumors and stagnant stock price, Roy (Walt's nephew) helped force out Walt's son-in-law Ron Miller who was CEO. That's when Eisner and Katzenberg came in and almost immediately cut Lilly (Walt's wife) out. She was even denied access to the Disneyland apartment she and Walt shared, they wouldn't even let her go in to clean out her personal possessions. A security guard did it for her and was fired for it. Prior to Eisner, the Disney family were treated like royalty at the parks - suddenly, they were just another paying customer.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
We can laugh at these people but keep in mind that you're sharing apartment blocks with them. Busses. Trains. Workspaces. You're standing in front of and behind them at the supermarket aisle.

This is severe demonic oppression at work made more drastic by the impossibly vast amount of psychotropic drugs people, particularly Americans, are taking just to get through the day.

My first response is always to laugh at these people but that's foolish. These people are no joke. As MW noted, they vote. Moreover they are everywhere and can impact your life for the worse in a vast number of ways.

Pray for them to be freed from their satanic influence if you wish but build a spiritual shield between yourself and them. This doesn't involve mocking them and taking pleasure in their suffering. When you do that you create a spiritual connection between them and yourself, like negative and positive sides of two magnets coming together.

And make sure your disaster preparedness plans take into account what will happen when the 25%+ of the population taking mood pills suddenly loses access to their supply.
 
CynicalContrarian said:
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Heh.
Couldn't have happened to a nastier company - Disney.

They wanted woke?
They're going to get it...
Plus, all the while, going broke...

Disney won't get broke, but they got a whiff of real fan toxicity. When the sheisters talked about "toxic fans', they meant the people who did not like the woke garbage. No one of them went out of his way to stalk Rian Johnson or Daisy Ridley.

They exchanged the old fans with woke SJW fans. And we all know that SJWs are utterly and completely unhinged. They will come down hard on anyone who stops adhering to the religion of woke. And I am pretty sure that this is actually a tiny minority compared to the Fandom Menace which probably numbers millions.

This tiny minority of woke morons tweet hundreds of times a day and make Twitter into the liberal shitshow it is - on top of the bots.

And they bring their obsession to the real world harrassing for real actors, their families. One woman is reported to have seen an actress from the movie and screamed at her for not having opposed JJ Abrams over the killing of Krylo!

Congrats Disney - you have you Tumblrized Star Wars - enjoy your dip in the ballpit:

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Leonard D Neubache said:
We can laugh at these people but keep in mind that you're sharing apartment blocks with them. Busses. Trains. Workspaces. You're standing in front of and behind them at the supermarket aisle.

This is severe demonic oppression at work made more drastic by the impossibly vast amount of psychotropic drugs people, particularly Americans, are taking just to get through the day.

My first response is always to laugh at these people but that's foolish. These people are no joke. As MW noted, they vote. Moreover they are everywhere and can impact your life for the worse in a vast number of ways.

Pray for them to be freed from their satanic influence if you wish but build a spiritual shield between yourself and them. This doesn't involve mocking them and taking pleasure in their suffering. When you do that you create a spiritual connection between them and yourself, like negative and positive sides of two magnets coming together.

And make sure your disaster preparedness plans take into account what will happen when the 25%+ of the population taking mood pills suddenly loses access to their supply.

Happily it's almost all women who have bottom-rung jobs that they struggle to retain. They are the offshoots of this society that is bereft of any norm and guidance for women. Especially women can stomach those media star creations badly. They get infatuated with those men very easily. Then you find real actual 9s finding themselves ass up next to 10 other girls getting banged out by one sweaty overpaid actor and they might ask themselves: "How did I get here anyway?"

Hollywood created male fame is like porn to men - most have trouble resisting it, because it taps into this primal desire for the Apex-Alpha-male. The movies make that man into a being that is far more attractive than he would be in reality. Hardly any girl would care about Adam Driver or even Leo DiCaprio if they were not famous. In the Reylo fans it manifests by being enamored with the bad guy - as badly as he was written, it was again the Dark Triad traits that attracted them to him.

The elders knew for good reason that the best way for women is to marry young up to age 21 and have 1-2 kids. Married mothers don't give a rat's ass about Krylo. They likely wouldn't know the difference between Star Wars or Star Trek.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
With Star Wars gutted, Disney prepares to suicide its other huge franchise:

CNN said:
A transgender character is coming to the Marvel Universe

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige confirmed the news during a question-and-answer session Saturday at the New York Film Academy.
A student asked if Feige if there were any plans to add more LGBTQ characters to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, specifically transgender characters.

"Yes, absolutely yes," Feige said. "Very soon. In a movie we're shooting right now."

Feige talked at length about Marvel's future on the Disney+ streaming service and emerging platforms like virtual reality.

He also said Marvel would strive to be diverse and inclusive. Two movies coming out this year were directed by women and some of new shows coming to the Disney+ platform also have female directors, he said.

"We have three other shows we've announced, we haven't announced the players yet, but spoiler alert -- two out of three of them are women," Feige said.

"It makes for better stories. I say, when you are sitting at a table and everyone looks like you, you're in trouble. You aren't going to get the best story out of that."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/01/entertainment/transgender-marvel-character-trnd/index.html
 

CynicalContrarian

Owl
Gold Member
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
With Star Wars gutted, Disney prepares to suicide its other huge franchise:
...

Without Star Wars & if they ruin the MCU any further.
What will they have left?
More sequels & remakes of their old animated movies?

Do the kids get to look forward to Toy Story 10 & The Lion King 4K redux...?
 

Cr33pin

Peacock
Gold Member
CynicalContrarian said:
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
With Star Wars gutted, Disney prepares to suicide its other huge franchise:
...

Without Star Wars & WHEN* they ruin the MCU further.
What will they have left?
More sequels & remakes of their old animated movies?

Do the kids get to look forward to Toy Story 10 & The Lion King 4K redux...?

Fixed*
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
John Nolte at Breitbart neatly sums up 11 reasons why Disney's Star Wars trilogy is a massive failure:

Nolte: 11 Ways Kathleen Kennedy Killed the ‘Star Wars’ Golden Goose

Had you told me in 2015 that as a film franchise Star Wars would be dead in five years, that it would survive only as a television show, I would have called you crazy. I would have said, Lucas couldn’t kill Star Wars with those still-born prequels! TeeeVeee? You must be out of your mind!

I also would have said, Do you know who’s in charge of Star Wars now? Disney, you dolt. You know, Marvel’s Disney? Pixar’s Disney? Fifty-percent of the American box office Disney? The same Disney that’s been dry-humping the same 25 movies for the last 35 years into gold Disney? Disney is Disney. Disney bats a thousand. Disney does everything right.

But here we are , it’s 2020, and as a film franchise Star Wars is dead.

Oh, sure, this latest trilogy made boatloads of money. But the diminishing returns continue to diminish. By this time (day 12), The Last Jedi had brought in $423 million. Rise of Skywalker is trailing with just $377 million, and this is the Big One, the ninth and final chapter of a 42-year-old saga. Like Avengers: Endgame, Skywalker should be the biggest one of them all.

Oh, sure, there’s something-something-something-Star-Wars-Movie on the calendar for 2022, but there’s zippo in the works. Everyone who’s supposed to be developing something has either fled or been fired. The only guy still on board is Last Jedi director Rian Johnson, who did almost as much to kill Star Wars as Kathleen Kennedy, and there’s already talk Johnson is out.

To understand just how big of a failure this is, you have to remember what the original plan was: to turn Star Wars into the next Marvel, to expand the Star Wars universe into two blockbusters a year, all of which was more than possible. After all, we are talking about the most beloved film franchise in history — one with endless possibilities and a devoted fan base that includes a talent pool of some of the best filmmakers and storytellers in the world.

Most of all, though, there was all that goodwill. Millions and millions and millions of fans wanted this franchise to succeed… Do you know how rare that is?

And they squandered it.

Well, not they…

She.

She, as in Kathleen Kennedy, the producer in charge of Star Wars and all things Lucasfilm.

Boy, did she blow it.

Before we get started, it’s important to first dispel a myth going around — this myth that Star Wars fans are hopelessly divided, that the fans now live in two different camps and can never be brought back together. You see, one camp is filled with toxic fanboys who only want their nostalgia G-spot rubbed. The other camp wants more affirmative action for Mary Sue characters like Rey and Rose Tico, more superfreaks like Solo’s pansexual (I don’t know what means and I don’t want to know) Lando Calrissian.

This myth is part was created by sycophants in the entertainment media to defend and excuse Kennedy, to pretend there was nothing she could do to satisfy everyone, so none of this failure is her fault.

Do you want to know what proves that myth a lie?

The Mandalorian.

Everyone loves The Mandolorian, the Disney+ TV show. Which means…

Guess what? The fans are not forever divided.

So here’s a list of the main things that Kathleen Kennedy got so horribly wrong

1. No Continuity of a Singular Vision
Kathleen Kennedy is supposed to be Star Wars’ Kevin Feige. For those who don’t know, Feige is the guy who oversees Marvel, who delivered 23 box office blockbusters in a row, whose vision kept everything tied together even as dozens of characters in different universes and eras were introduced. Thanks to Feige, you could feel Marvel was heading somewhere, that someone with a vision was in charge and knew exactly what he was doing, and then *boom* Endgame arrives and it’s the biggest worldwide grosser ever.

Kennedy couldn’t do it. She wasn’t up to it. Because Last Jedi was such an unfocused mess, Rise of Skywalker felt like a reboot, especially when it came to re-establishing the relationships between the three main characters. Instead of Rey, Poe, and Finn working together like veterans forged in battle, after two movies, they were like strangers still getting to know each other.

Worse, they had no real chemistry.

2. Feminist Politics
From those first moments in The Force Awakens where Rey scolds Finn to stop holding her hand as they try to outrun some bad guys, you could tell Kennedy’s vision was not to thrill us with a marvelous adventure, but rather to instruct us, to lecture us.

This awful woman actually thinks it’s sexist for a man to grab a woman’s hand as they attempt to outrun people looking to kill them.

What kind of lunatic puts such a thing in a Star Wars movie?

If you don’t like the idea of a man showing some self-sacrifice and chivalry due to the biology that allows him to run faster, then don’t show him holding her hand at all!

But that wasn’t the worst of it. The worst came in Last Jedi, where Kennedy allowed the only character with any real potential — Oscar Isaac’s swashbuckling Poe — to be turned into an ignorant, sexist pig who gets his comeuppance at the hands of the The Girlzzzzz. Not only was it terrible storytelling, it killed their most charismatic character, the only one who came close to the original stars, the one with the most potential to shine in Skywalker.

3. Affirmative Action Hires
It used to be that when women and minorities showed up in movies, the public thought nothing of it. But now that Hollywood is advertising how awesome they are to embrace “diversity” and “inclusion,” it undercuts all of this because instead of merit-based actors and characters, we see an affirmative action hire, which is insulting to the audience and to the actor.

By patting themselves on the back like white plantation owners announcing their own virtue to the world, Hollywood’s doing the cause much more good than harm. America had been pretty close to colorblind before all this “representation” nonsense launched. Now we’re being forced to see color and gender, and of course we’re going to reject something that takes us backwards.

4. Bad Movies
Let’s face it, for a whole host of reasons, these movies just aren’t very good.

I’ll address the specifics below…

5. Too Much Like the Original Trilogy
Kylo Renn wearing a mask JUST LIKE DARTH VADER DID even though he doesn’t need one… I mean, come on. What were you thinking?

The Force Awakens is basically a remake of Star Wars, and a lesser one.

The Last Jedi combines The Empire Strikes Back with Occupy Wall Street and a touch of WTF?

The Rise of Skywalker is like a television-movie version of Return of the Jedi with an unlimited budget.

You can hit the nostalgia button without remaking movies we have already seen.

You can also make a great franchise movie that makes money without all that much nostalgia (see: Fury Road, Mad Max).

6. No Character Growth

This, to me, is the most fatal flaw in the new trilogy. Unlike the original trilogy, where were watched Luke, Leia, and Han evolve and mature in ways that were both surprising and satisfying, this new trio — Poe, Rey, and Finn — are the same people at the end of the trilogy as they were when we first met them. What’s more, as I mentioned above, the inter-relationships between the three of them never got a chance to evolve.

You can’t have your characters running in place for the eight-plus hours of those three films. People might not be able to put their finger on what’s wrong, but they can sure sense the inertia.

7. Too Many Death Stars
Over three movies and five years no one could come up with a different threat?

8. Anti-Male
Kathleen Kennedy is so immature she couldn’t offer us strong female protagonists without bashing men.

Going back more than 80 years, to the era of Stanwyck, Crawford, Hepburn, Hayworth, Davis, and countless others, Hollywood has delivered strong, independent female protagonists without the childish crutch of male bashing. The fact that Kennedy couldn’t do this just proves she’s an immature baby.

9. Mary Sue
Another sign of Kennedy’s childish immaturity is how flawless Rey and Rose Tico are. This is what’s known as a “Mary Sue” or…

an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Typically, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience, and usually are able through some means to upstage the protagonist of an established fictional setting, such as by saving the hero. Other traits of a Mary Sue include, bending the rules of the story (narrative, characterization and natural laws of the setting) and being an over centralizing figure.

And all of this makes for characters who are one-dimensional and boring as hell.

10. No Romance
Woke leftists like Kennedy are so immature and childish, all they see in a movie romance is a WOMAN WHO NEEDS A MAN, so, in the name of “progress” and “enlightenment,” there’s no romance in this new trilogy… No romance in an ADVENTURE FILM, which is just plain nuts.

Romance isn’t about The Patriarchy, you morons. Romance is a storytelling device that goes back to the beginning of time (for a reason) that allows characters to develop, not only as individuals, but in their personal relationships.

As I mentioned above, one of the reasons this new trilogy is so still-born and emotionally empty, is the fact that our three main characters didn’t evolve or grow — not as individuals and not in their relationships with each other. Leia helped Han grow as a person. Han helped Leia grow as a person. Leia’s choosing of Han over Luke pushed Luke to become his own man through the Force.

Kathleen Kennedy removing romance from an adventure trilogy not only underscores her arrogance (she knows better than Shakespeare!), but her immaturity and insecurities. How neurotic and shallow does one have to be to believe falling in love will undercut the strength of your female character. With some love in her life, Rey could have grown into a full-flowered woman. Instead, after three movies, she’s still a girl. Sure, she’s capable of doing more stuff, but she’s still the same girl we were introduced to.

11. No Romance, but Plenty of SEXUALITY
So romance is verboten, but we were treated to a gratuitous lesbian kiss at the end of the trilogy.

Oh, and let’s not forget Lando’s pansexual (I don’t know what that means and I don’t want to know) relationship with a feminist robot.

I will guarantee you the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker is hurting the bottom line. Parents do not want their kids to see homosexuality. Not because they’re bigots, but because the only way to explain it is to get into the issue of human sexuality, and good parents work hard to protect their child’s innocence, to shield them from any kind of sexuality, for as long as possible. Kids don’t think twice when they see a man and a woman kiss. That’s natural to them. Homosexuality opens up a whole other discussion some kids are not ready for.

No one wants to say this, but I will… Gay needs to be its own genre. Mainstream audiences are never going to accept this stuff. We don’t want to be exposed to it. It makes us uncomfortable. Again, that’s not bigotry. It’s science and biology. And even those who claim to be okay with it are lying.

Hey, I’m someone who believes Hollywood should make movies for everyone, including the alphabet people. But just like people don’t want to be told Jesus Is Lord in a Star Wars movie, they don’t want to see a lesbian kiss. That’s why Christian movies are their own genre, and that’s why gay should be its own genre…

I’m sorry, but we’re never going to get used to this stuff, it’s never going to be normalized… Human nature is human nature…



Those are my 11, and I’m sure I missed a few. But everything boils down to one thing… Through a divisive political agenda delivered with a heavy hand, Kennedy squandered all that goodwill. It’s gone now, and so is the golden goose.
 

Tex Cruise

Pelican
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
With Star Wars gutted, Disney prepares to suicide its other huge franchise:

CNN said:
A transgender character is coming to the Marvel Universe

Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige confirmed the news during a question-and-answer session Saturday at the New York Film Academy.
A student asked if Feige if there were any plans to add more LGBTQ characters to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, specifically transgender characters.

"Yes, absolutely yes," Feige said. "Very soon. In a movie we're shooting right now."

Feige talked at length about Marvel's future on the Disney+ streaming service and emerging platforms like virtual reality.

He also said Marvel would strive to be diverse and inclusive. Two movies coming out this year were directed by women and some of new shows coming to the Disney+ platform also have female directors, he said.

"We have three other shows we've announced, we haven't announced the players yet, but spoiler alert -- two out of three of them are women," Feige said.

"It makes for better stories. I say, when you are sitting at a table and everyone looks like you, you're in trouble. You aren't going to get the best story out of that."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/01/entertainment/transgender-marvel-character-trnd/index.html

Maybe it's SheZow, an Australian/Canadian kids show about a 12 or 14 year old (depending on source) boy who turns into a female superhero.
I heard the theme song a few years ago when some kids were watching TV, and thought "This is a great intro" Then saw what the show was about...

 

Athanasius

Pelican
From the Zman: "That is something that gets little attention about the multicultural paradise our rulers have planned for us. The business model of Hollywood is built on the assumption of a white middle-class. Devouring that white middle-class in order to create a multicultural paradise leaves Hollywood without an audience. South America has never been a great market for mass media. China and India are capable of producing their own computer-generated crap. The future of Hollywood looks grim."
 
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