The Stefan Molyneux Thread

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Kingfisher
Gold Member
The NYtimes has a podcast called The Daily. On April 17th it started a many part series about "white nationalists" or "white supremacist" YouTuber.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/17/podcasts/the-daily/rabbit-hole.html

What is the internet doing to us? Today, we’re sharing the first episode of a new Times audio series called “Rabbit Hole.”

In the first episode, “Wonderland,” we hear from a young man named Caleb, who finds escape and direction on the internet. We follow his journey into the YouTube universe.
This is a many part series. I think I listened to 5 parts, because a very smart friend of mind said it was a great way to understand his point of view.

What does it say? Caleb became a NAZI because he listened to Youtube too much. What is a Nazi? He had a shitty job in a warehouse and so he listened to Stephan Molyneux for 8-12 hours a day lifting boxes. He worked hard, paid off debt, ate healthier, started reading good books... but all that didnt matter, he became a Nazi listening to Molyneux, Crowder and Joe Rogan during the working his bad job, trying to better himself instead of listening to music.

The whole series was an enormous hacket job that didnt give any evidence. It was self-evident to the crowd listening that anyone who listened to Joe Rogan and Molyneux all day is de facto a Nazi. The music overlays were hilarious. Whenever Caleb would talk about listening to Joe Rogan, loud late 90s industrial music would slam in to let the audience know, this was the Nazi training going on now! Oh No! I asked my friend when they would begin to give any evidence that listening to the above YT meant a nazi and he said later on they did. I was listening to the 5th hour of a podcast, each is an hour. That is how bad the journalism level was.

Anyways, people on the left have been talking about deleting YT right wingers for a while now. Maybe thats why Joe Rogan got out, he knows YT will start deleting anyone who isnt lockstep with the mind control plan?

So when I explained all this to my friend, how insulting the podcast was, his retort was that of course white nationalists dont think they bad people. Joe Rogan listeners just think they are normal people, but in fact its all about mind control to become Nazis.

I'm not sure there is a middle ground or a way to make peace within this framework, that even Joe Rogan listeners are by definition Nazis. He is too big to erase, so they went after Crowder and Molyneux.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I think Stefan softened up on "religion" because his views on the subject genuinely changed - even if he doesn't actually believe in God (yet), he recognizes the massive benefits Christianity provides, societally-speaking.

It's funny, I thought Stefan was going to have a come-to-Jesus moment a few years ago, and it still hasn't happened yet.
He was raised by a psycho Jewish mother, I would guess divorced early, and advocated anti-family philosophies ("de-FOO") that aren't unlike those of the Bolsheviks or BLM. People like this, with no father guidance, will have a very difficult path towards God.
 

griffinmill

Kingfisher
I think Stefan softened up on "religion" because his views on the subject genuinely changed - even if he doesn't actually believe in God (yet), he recognizes the massive benefits Christianity provides, societally-speaking.

It's funny, I thought Stefan was going to have a come-to-Jesus moment a few years ago, and it still hasn't happened yet.
Stefan is (at least was) a staunch atheist. I think he, just like me, embraces cultural Christianity, but not the religious belief itself. Back in the day (when he was still doing videos on his drive back from work) he used to talk about religion and Christianity relentlessly. I used to love those videos and the later debates he had with some Christian thinkers. I highly doubt he'll ever have a come-to-Jesus moment.
 

Max Roscoe

Kingfisher
Of course there is *some* of the petty name calling by the right as well. But leftist critiques have become *NOTHING* more than name calling. I want them to explain why it is bad or wrong to be a Nazi. Not just to throw the word around.

If they come across a group of well dressed Christians praying, they will curse them and call them Nazi. What do they actually mean by this? That these people are time travelers who are members of a German 1930s political party?

What do they actually object to? Is it the socialism part of National Socialism? Many of these Anti fa are socialists, or at least call themselves socialist. Is it the militarization that followed the Nazi party in 1930s Germany? Because Anti fa is a heavily militant and violent organization. Is it the good asthetics? Because Nazis were known for their sharp uniforms, strong, positive symbolism, architecture, and general asthetic, while Anti fa seems to revel in ugliness. Is it because Nazis tried to purge their country of those who opposed them politically? Because surely that is what Anti fa wants. Is it because Nazis believed in strength, unity, family, and nation? Because Anti fa seems to glorify weakness, degeneracy, and atomization.

Instead of throwing around meaningless names from a defunct party from a foreign nation that never had much influence in the Americas anyway, why don't they actually critique ideas? Do they even know what they supposedly stand for? The real answer is they stand FOR nothing, they only stand against things.

Ironically, many of the few legitimate critiques they have of our society would be solved by the ideas they are brutally attacking.
 

Deepdiver

Hummingbird
Gold Member
I got a lot of useful info from Stefan Molyneux over the years especially his proof that the number one indication that someone will be a successful hire and a good employee who will be able to arise to challenges every business faces especially now in the chaos of 2020 is in fact the person's IQ which has become wrong think with the Marxist Globalists mega techs.

Hopefully the DoJ and many State AGe efforts to break up Google/YT will bear fruit as the CCP BLM collaborating mega techs have proven again to only Do Evil contrary to their Don't be Evil beginnings.

Trump was also just banned from Twitch and Reddit. Stefan Molyneux was always somewhat pro Trump so clearly the mega techs and The Lincoln Group neocon never Trumpers are coordinating to take down as many conservative Pro Trump pro Free America voices as possible before the 2020 Presidential elections. They have truly become the enemy of the people.
 

DanielH

Woodpecker
Banned on Twitter..
I like the guy, listened to him for years before becoming Christian. No idea how he maintains his AnCap philosophy from here on. I guess that is his foundation, but he's already lost what, 90% of his income from being canceled? If he stopped worrying about optics and joined the America First crowd (although Canadian) he could actually play a really big role in the culture war. He could be like the bald Jared Taylor. He's already got the unique accent.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
Molyneux was the ultimate gate keeper, and it appears he was not doing this on purpose. He would lead thousands of people right up to the edge of third position thinking, then at the last moment direct them back into failed liberal democracy capitalism for the answer. "The free market will decide". Well, I guess the free market decided to cancel Molyneux without fair reason because the people who pull the levels of capitalism don't like his message.

I would say "I hope he has finally learned and will humble himself to thinkers who are greater than him and also warned him" but it doesn't matter if he does so, because he is deplatformed and his followers will never hear it now.
 

MRAll134

Woodpecker
I would say "I hope he has finally learned and will humble himself to thinkers who are greater than him and also warned him" but it doesn't matter if he does so, because he is deplatformed and his followers will never hear it now.
I think Molyneux brought lots of people into the truth movement. Unfortunately, he hedges on Christianity. You can't really hedge in a spiritual war. Plus, because he did not believe in God for objective morality, he set himself up to be god. He was simply a cult of personality, imo.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
He's not struggling from this.

It was widely reported in the fake news that "White supremacist Stefan Molyneux makes over $100,000 after Youtube ban".

That was a day or two after the ban.

If you check his Bitcoin wallet, at current prices he's has almost $12 million in donations. Not sure what has happened to that.

Via all channels he could have netted $20 million or more.

*****

I think it more likely that he just has different opinions, rather than being a shill.

I see it as a good thing. This is pushing a lot of people off the big platforms. I've added all of them to my firewall.
 

mr-ed209

Sparrow
I used to be a big fan of Molyneux, but even i began to feel he repeatedly overstepped his mark over the last 1-2 years. His older videos had a semblance of modesty and reason to them; the controversial truths he espoused were delivered measuredly and in an 'gentle' manner. If you look at his earlier interviews regarding IQ with the likes of Dave Rubin etc he was much more careful in broaching the topic and deliberately provided balanced points. To clarify, i do fully identify with his arguments, but any reasoned person has to accept that there is a necessary degree of 'soft handedness' one has to use when discussing those matters with a public who are hearing them for the first time.

I think ultimately his support became an echo chamber and he grew increasingly confident in his rhetoric; to the point where he thought he had enough backing through his followership to be more brazen. If you market a large part of your identity as 'serious intellectual philosopher' and then proceed to produce a cringe twitter trolling of Taylor Swift and her eggs - you can't be surprised when you undermine your position. After recent events just before his ban, his twitter seemed dedicated to broadcasting any footage of black on white violence that have been stored in the far recesses of the internet. His motives and ideations weren't exactly subtle.

I do think he had many legitimate arguments with his work and probably helped out a lot of guys. But, his overwhelming arrogance has ultimately been his undoing and somewhat deservedly so.
 
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