The Steroid thread

[HiFlo]

that dude in that picture is below 12%. At 12% you just start to see ab definition, and his abs and vascularity are significantly more defined than at 12%


Dude is 16% bodyfat, if he 'bulks' now, he's gonna go to 18% bf, gain some strength, then be discontent because he's even fatter than before, then he's gonna diet and lose all his strength.

Get to your desired bodyfat FIRST, then get to where you want in terms of size. You'll look a lot better and you'll notice results a whole more, and you
ll be more consistently satisfied with your progress on a day to day basis. Otherwise you're gonna be like every other meathead who is on a permabulk cycle.

 

[WanderingSoul]

Dude is 16% bodyfat, if he 'bulks' now, he's gonna go to 18% bf, gain some strength, then be discontent because he's even fatter than before, then he's gonna diet and lose all his strength.

Get to your desired bodyfat FIRST, then get to where you want in terms of size. You'll look a lot better and you'll notice results a whole more, and you
ll be more consistently satisfied with your progress on a day to day basis. Otherwise you're gonna be like every other meathead who is on a permabulk cycle.

Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one I guess lol.

 

[scotian]

I never did them but have a few friends who did, one guy got really bad acne on his back "backne", he had a six pack on the beach but when he turned around people were grossed out by his back that looked like a piece of pepperoni pizza.

Also, a few of the guys I know who just did them for a few weeks then quit going to the gym got pretty fat too.

 

[alecks]

hes skinny fat.he will benefit from the added calories from lifting heavier weight and a higher frequency (newb gains all over).Nutrient partitioning will be excelled.

he should do this for 3 or 4 months,if hes getting too fat,slowly cut for a month whilst keeping intensity and weight high = muscle/strenght maintained,lower bodyfat.rinse and repeat

 

[lavidaloca]

steroids are only intelligent to use if they are for your caareer...i.e. you are a professional athlete or a fitness model. Otherwise, under no circumstances can i see the benefits outweighing the costs.

 

[HiFlo]

i get a lot more eyefucking now from girls at 170 8%bf then when i was 210 16%bf.

i got a lot more eyefucking when I was 210 then when i was 145 sans gear.

 

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

i get a lot more eyefucking now from girls at 170 8%bf then when i was 210 16%bf.

i got a lot more eyefucking when I was 210 then when i was 145 sans gear.

Hiflo, what about a clean bulk? What kind of macros are necessary for a clean bulk? I don't want to be very skinny and weak either, I am trying to figure out how to keep building muscle and lose fat at the same time. BTW "Triazole" is not an illegal steroid, I believe it's only just an estrogen blocker.

 

[HiFlo]

You're too fat for a clean bulk. So called 'clean' bulks are used by people who are 10%bf and don't mind going to 12% during winter. At 16% you have just mush, mush mush. Furthermore, 90% of everyone underestimates their bf, so you're probably closer to 18%.

You know how fucking hard it is to go from 16% to 10% bodyfat? That's gonna take you 4-6 months AT LEAST of intense HIIT and a solid low carb meal plan.

This board has a lot of rippetoe nuthuggers. he's alright although as you can see his followers are somewhat cult-like. But let's not forget that he was a roid freak for a long fucking time.

triazole aint gonna do much of anything for you. the FDA prohibits all the good stuff. some PHs will lean you out - epistane, for one - but they're essentially the same as aas and you have to follow the same PCT & all. if you have access to the real thing, that's preferable.

 

[AlbertoDelMuerto]

You're too fat for a clean bulk. So called 'clean' bulks are used by people who are 10%bf and don't mind going to 12% during winter. At 16% you have just mush, mush mush. Furthermore, 90% of everyone underestimates their bf, so you're probably closer to 18%.

You know how fucking hard it is to go from 16% to 10% bodyfat? That's gonna take you 4-6 months AT LEAST of intense HIIT and a solid low carb meal plan.

This board has a lot of rippetoe nuthuggers. he's alright although as you can see his followers are somewhat cult-like. But let's not forget that he was a roid freak for a long fucking time.

triazole aint gonna do much of anything for you. the FDA prohibits all the good stuff. some PHs will lean you out - epistane, for one - but they're essentially the same as aas and you have to follow the same PCT & all. if you have access to the real thing, that's preferable.

Any side effects that can worsen ulcer?

 

[HiFlo]

i dont know dude.

 

[billy]

Alberto, I see you are in Camden I actually spend a bit of time there but being in the UK, I can tell you that a vial of UGL test will be £30, pharma £40, Pharma nova will be £15, and 100 dbols or winny tabs will be £30. If you cannot afford a 40 quid tub of protein once a month you may struggle to pay for juice and the emergency shit you need to keep on standby.
Also Camden should be the best day game place in the UK based on the talent you see walking around but I never have much luck there hoe do you find day game there ?

 

[billy]

terrible place to start omg. Telling a rookie to start off with the strongest oil based product and recommending the longest ester to boot with no idea how he'll tolerate it? Get some nolva, but don't need to worry about prolactin? and a half decent diet is a great way to get half decent results. If you can't get a decent build naturally no way you should be looking at gear. Learn what's causing you to fail and fix that first then look at gear when you're ready to take your body to another level.

It is extremely rare for low doses of tren to raise prolactin levels significantly and plenty of evidence suggests even high doses of tren will not cause prolactin issues unless oestrogen is very high. Good oestrogen control will prevent prolactin being an issue. If you think you have seen a scientific study showing any different I would like to see it as I have searched and found none. I have personally run 1g test and 900mg tren with NO need for any Ancilaries to control prolactin or oestrogen. You will not lactate without the presence of some breast tissue and you will not develop breast tissue with correct doses of nova.

 

[Nineteen84]

i get a lot more eyefucking now from girls at 170 8%bf then when i was 210 16%bf.

i got a lot more eyefucking when I was 210 then when i was 145 sans gear.

What's your height?

 

[alecks]

please stop giving him advice on cycles.he doesnt know how to eat or lift yet.christ

 

[garygroundwork]

I'd rather not be ripped and a have good functioning dick for the next 35 years.

I have a friend who used tit and said his balls shrinked to peanut sizes and almost no cum was coming out anymore when he was using roids. As soon as he stopped using his became normal again and but now his body shrunk again.

I would never mess around with my ding dong, especially not with illegal hormones/steroids and that shit.

only some compounds will do that,not all.there are plenty of dudes i know on certain cycles that say their hornier than ever.to each their own.

very true....while ur on them

its when u come off that is the problem... especially if u use compounds like deca

i have a mate who used tren he came off suffered depression for about 6 months (got over that as hormones returned to normal) but his erections have never been the same.

test only cycles are way to go with hcg throughout followed by good pct nolva/clomid etc... still its a lot of bullshit to go through for a bit of muscle

when u get older health becomes priority...good diet good exercise regime...lean, strong and healthy

 

[worldwidetraveler]

Just for curiosity sake, do you lose most of your gains when you get off steroids? It is hard to ascertain what is fact and what isn't when looking this stuff up.

 

[Moma]

What is the strongest liver builder you can recommend? Gear affects the liver so there are usually liver builders that are recommended.

Can anyone (looking for a chime in from Rionomad, Velkrum) recommend a strong liver repair concoction?

Thanks,

 

[mikeymike]

terrible place to start omg. Telling a rookie to start off with the strongest oil based product and recommending the longest ester to boot with no idea how he'll tolerate it? Get some nolva, but don't need to worry about prolactin? and a half decent diet is a great way to get half decent results. If you can't get a decent build naturally no way you should be looking at gear. Learn what's causing you to fail and fix that first then look at gear when you're ready to take your body to another level.

It is extremely rare for low doses of tren to raise prolactin levels significantly and plenty of evidence suggests even high doses of tren will not cause prolactin issues unless oestrogen is very high. Good oestrogen control will prevent prolactin being an issue. If you think you have seen a scientific study showing any different I would like to see it as I have searched and found none. I have personally run 1g test and 900mg tren with NO need for any Ancilaries to control prolactin or oestrogen. You will not lactate without the presence of some breast tissue and you will not develop breast tissue with correct doses of nova.

1. bullshit. Extremely rare to raise prolactin issues? talk to most users who have used tren and see how many have faced prolactin based sides, they don't all manifest themselves as just lactating breasts...

2. Estrogen is again a culprit in the breast tissue arena, you're eliminating one side but leaving yourself open to others using strictly an estrogen blocker.

3. There will not be a scientific study on tren, it's not a medically viable product. Test, var, drol, gh and on and on all have mainstream medical uses so they are studied clinically. When you're talking vet hormones that aren't made by recognized pharmaceutical companies you won't get studies.

4. unless you're a very advanced physique you're taking way too much shit and I'm guessing you're not an advanced physique. You were talking about getting on a year ago-ish, if you're already upto a gram of tren a week where are you left to go?

5. You are not every case...some guys get near tren and they're facing every side known to man and some can take 300mg of tren ace per day and not feel a thing...I've seen them both...you need to act on the side of safety and not assume everyone will be lucky enough to be side free.

 

[mikeymike]

What is the strongest liver builder you can recommend? Gear affects the liver so there are usually liver builders that are recommended.

Can anyone (looking for a chime in from Rionomad, Velkrum) recommend a strong liver repair concoction?

Thanks,

liv52, or whatever himalaya calls it now, otc and consistantly recommended for liver support thru the years. Liver is amazingly resilient, it can take a lot of abuse and bounce back but I've seen guys take mind boggling amounts of orals and their panels go thru the roof, then get on liv52 and it bounces back strong and the numbers fall back in line.

 

[mikeymike]

You're too fat for a clean bulk. So called 'clean' bulks are used by people who are 10%bf and don't mind going to 12% during winter. At 16% you have just mush, mush mush. Furthermore, 90% of everyone underestimates their bf, so you're probably closer to 18%.

You know how fucking hard it is to go from 16% to 10% bodyfat? That's gonna take you 4-6 months AT LEAST of intense HIIT and a solid low carb meal plan.

+1

attempting to bulk when you're already carrying that much bodyfat is compounding a mistake. Clean up the mess you've made and then build on that frame.