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<blockquote data-quote="Blade Runner" data-source="post: 1472589" data-attributes="member: 17573">You gently stated this fact and it is accurate. Looking back on my life leading up to now during the scandal of the virus overreaction, it crystallized that while we had some degree of faith and good practice (learning &amp; wisdom as well) most of the people in the church just happened to go to church and lived in the secular world, which is your point. This extends from the cultural affiliation and participation in the mysteries as &quot;magic&quot; but not really caring about attending church or to the other things of the church throughout the year, etc.I think the biggest thing, and this could be because it has some personal concern from (for) me, is how hard it is for christians to promote their own being and growing together, getting married, etc. The secular world, numbers, silly idea like soulmates (feminization of society) all crushed the identity of christians as such, and thus marriages became less and less likely between them and most people as a result drift away. A small exception to this is the particularly ethnic enclave that just happens to be religion X.Christians of the first centuries could not deny or neglect to notice that they were a particular group that was generally different, persecuted, had a particular relationship to the state at large. That's been entirely lost in the world of western secularism, and in particular, the decrease of the nation state to muddy the waters of identity on a macro stage, even.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blade Runner, post: 1472589, member: 17573"] You gently stated this fact and it is accurate. Looking back on my life leading up to now during the scandal of the virus overreaction, it crystallized that while we had some degree of faith and good practice (learning & wisdom as well) most of the people in the church just happened to go to church and lived in the secular world, which is your point. This extends from the cultural affiliation and participation in the mysteries as "magic" but not really caring about attending church or to the other things of the church throughout the year, etc. I think the biggest thing, and this could be because it has some personal concern from (for) me, is how hard it is for christians to promote their own being and growing together, getting married, etc. The secular world, numbers, silly idea like soulmates (feminization of society) all crushed the identity of christians as such, and thus marriages became less and less likely between them and most people as a result drift away. A small exception to this is the particularly ethnic enclave that just happens to be religion X. Christians of the first centuries could not deny or neglect to notice that they were a particular group that was generally different, persecuted, had a particular relationship to the state at large. That's been entirely lost in the world of western secularism, and in particular, the decrease of the nation state to muddy the waters of identity on a macro stage, even. [/QUOTE]

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