The Syria conflict thread

[Samseau]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...warns-of-new-world-war-starting-in-Syria.html

Russia warned of “a new world war" starting in Syria on Thursday after a dramatic day in which Gulf states threatened to send in ground forces.

Foreign and defence ministers of the leading international states backing different factions in the war-torn country met in separate meetings in Munich and Brussels following the collapse of the latest round of peace talks.

Both Russia and the United States demanded ceasefires in the long-running civil war so that the fight could be concentrated against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) - but each on their own, conflicting terms.

But the Gulf states, led by Saudi Arabia, staged their own intervention, saying they were committed to sending ground troops to the country. Their favoured rebel groups have been pulverised by Russian air raids and driven back on the ground by Iranian-supplied pro-regime troops.

They said their declared target was Isil. But the presence of troops from Gulf states which have funded the Syrian rebels would be taken as a hostile act by the Assad regime and its backers, and a sign that they were committed to staking their claim to a say in the final Syrian settlement.

Russia issued a stark warning of the potential consequences. "The Americans and our Arab partners must think well: do they want a permanent war?" its prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, told Germany's Handelsblatt newspaper in an interview due to be published on Friday but released on Thursday night.

“It would be impossible to win such a war quickly, especially in the Arab world, where everybody is fighting against everybody.

"All sides must be compelled to sit at the negotiating table instead of unleashing a new world war.”

Earlier in the day, both Russia and the United States had demanded a ceasefire in the Syrian war.

Russia did not specify a date publicly but diplomats said that they had suggested March 1, which the Americans say would leave them another two weeks to achieve their military goals, including the defeat of “moderate” rebel forces in the north around Aleppo.

The United States countered by demanding an immediate ceasefire.

The rebels, whose main negotiators have been touring Europe in the wake of the collapse of the Geneva peace talks and the renewed assault on Aleppo, say a ceasefire can only happen in conjunction with a negotiated “political transition” - something which looks ever more unlikely in light of regime victories on the ground.

Under the United Nations security council resolution passed in December, any ceasefire would automatically exclude Isil, the local al-Qaeda branch Jabhat al-Nusra, which operates throughout rebel territory, and other UN-designated terrorist groups.

Since these are being struck by both the United States and Russia, as well as the regime, the terms of the resolution mean that the only group that would have to stop fighting under the terms of a ceasefire would be the “moderate rebels” backed by the West.

This they are unlikely to do voluntarily.

Saudi Arabia is said to be furious that their main regional rival, Iran, has been allowed to consolidate its power bases in both Iraq and Syria because of the civil wars in both countries and under the cover of an international air campaign supposedly targeting Isil.

Its defence ministry spokesman, Brig Gen Ahmed al-Assiri, said its decision to send ground troops to Syria was “irreversible”.

The kingdom, along with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, is offering to provide the troops the United States-led coalition are needed to take on Isil on the ground under coalition air cover.

Michael Fallon, who held talks in Brussels on the fringes of a defence ministers meeting with deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, said he welcomed the Saudi offer.

“The Saudis are leading the Islamic military coalition,” he said.

“We've always made clear this is a campaign that can't be won by western troops doing the fighting. It can only be won in the end by local forces that have the support of the local population.” That last phrase appears to refer to the undesirability in western minds of Isil being defeated from the air only for pro-regime troops to retake the territory it now holds, which is overwhelming Sunni and was previously in the hands of non-Isil Sunni-led rebels.

The Saudis are also testing American willingness to “lead from the front” in Syria in the face of the apparent defeat of their favoured rebels at the hands of an assertive Russian intervention.

“Saudi Arabia will not step back from its offer to send ground troops to Syria as part of an International Coalition operation,” Mohammed al-Yahya, a London-based Saudi analyst said.

“The strategies used to fight Isil so far have not adequately weakened it, let alone eliminated it. It has become clear that Assad and the forces allied to him, namely Hizbollah, Russia, and Iran, are focusing on fighting the Assad regime’s opposition, not Isil.” Meanwhile on the ground, Russian-backed Kurdish forces took new ground from the rebels near the Turkish border, seizing the Minnegh air base, a highly symbolic target as it was seized from the regime first by Isil and then from them by non-Isil rebels two years ago after some of the fiercest battles of the whole war.

The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Prince Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein said more than 50,000 people had now been displaced north of Aleppo in the latest bout of fighting, calling the situation “grotesque”.

“The warring parties in Syria are constantly sinking to new depths, without apparently caring in the slightest about the death and destruction they are wreaking across the country,” he said.

Read the entire article. I didn't quote anything because all of it is important to read.

I already knew that WW3 was going to occur back last year when I made my predictions on Nov. 3rd. Now Russia, one of the few places where Western propaganda means nothing, is simply announcing what was obvious to anyone with a brain and revealing that the Empire has no clothes.

The big conclusion for me, personally, is just how much Obama has fucked up the world. America was the lynchpin holding back wars everywhere. Destabilizing the Middle East and leaving a power vacuum by evacuating Iraq has created a situation that is spiraling out of control. Every ME country is now sending troops into Syria and Iraq to fight for control. Europe is now being invaded while all the Middle Eastern powers go to war each other. Civil War will break out in Europe this year or the next. I also expect to see China and Japan get violent, as well as the Koreas, as America goes bankrupt.

Unlike the last World Wars, WW3 will be characterized by simultaneous Civil Wars, in addition to nation states battling each other, so I suspect the final death tolls will be much, much higher than in WW2. Civil Wars are usually the most violent and destructive as there are no safe zones.

Obama is going down as one of the worst, most corrupt men in history.

 

[Going strong]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

On another thread, coincidentally or not, we are discussing (with the new and very promising member, NASA Test pilot) the situation in Turkey and Erdogan's responsibility (or lack of)... we also believe in real possibility of WW3 starting there soon...

see https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53234.html

Btw, Samseau, I am glad to have just given you your (most-deserved) 200th rep point!

 

[Elster]

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Only question about article I have is if the telegraph is to be trusted as I often find many of their articles rather inane.

I find myself quite aligned with your line of thinking,amazingly through rather different channels of thinking but onto the same conclusion.

Into the matter of a new World War,well it seemed rather inevitable,perhaps even -as twistedly deranged and/or malthuoftensian as it sounds- neccesary to give a final wake up or ultimate go to sleep call for the decadent inhabitants of the western world,whose actions as well as their lack of action where they should apply it,seems poised to claim the title of damning the human race,if not the planet itself...

Powerful idiocy is indeed a problem

 

[nomadbrah]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Trump or Death.

 

[Elster]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

On another thread, coincidentally or not, we are discussing (with the new and very promising member, NASA Test pilot) the situation in Turkey and Erdogan's responsibility (or lack of)... we also believe in real possibility of WW3 starting there soon...

see https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53234.html

 

[Disco_Volante]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Saudi Arabia is nearing its end. They have Iran, Russia, and possibly China forcing their hegemony into the middle east now. Saudi's army can't take on these people, even with Israel's help.

Once they become weaker Iran can scope them for the kill. This will take a long time to play out.

And that's ignoring if Russia attacks NATO member Turkey, in which case the US has to get (further) involved? Makes me wonder why Turkey is a NATO member in the first place.

The only silver lining is it might bring back domestic energy jobs.

 

[911Turbo]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Putin does not give a rats ass about Syria, doubt it will lead to a world war. The only reason he got involved in Syria was to punish NATO and EU for the sanctions and expansionary policies. He is destabilizing Syria so the Migrant flow to Europe increases. The EU will have a much bigger problem in the future.

Putin and Erdogan were the best of friends, and they shared the same anti western rhetoric until November, when the Russian plane got shot down. Putin got his plane intentionally shot down so he could increase his force in Syria. The whole sunni population in Syria will end up in Europe and Turkey after Assad regains power. The Sunnis in Syria hate Assad, and want him gone. If Assad stays in power, all of them will flock to Europe, and this is exactly what Putin wants. He wants to destroy schengen. He is punishing EU for getting involved in Ukraine.

Next time Europe will know that Russia is not a country to be messed with. This will have far worse consequences on Europe, compared to the sanctions which EU imposed on Russia.

The guy is not spending billions of dollars in Syria during economic hardship just because he hates ISIS. He will get a very good return on his investment in Syria, by destabilizing Europe. ISIS is not even a threat to Russia. Putin is probably one of the most pragmatic leaders out there, he does not act on emotion.

He will also try to break up NATO by provocating Turkey further with all the violations. Once Turkey shoots down another jet, Russia will probably attack Turkey. What will happen? NATO will not get involved. After that other members will probably leave NATO saying its useless and failed to defend Turkey. This man is a genius. No more Schengen, no more NATO.
Putin wins.

Trump or Death.

This.

 

[8ball]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Putin does not give a rats ass about Syria, doubt it will lead to a world war. The only reason he got involved in Syria was to punish NATO and EU for the sanctions and expansionary policies. He is destabilizing Syria so the Migrant flow to Europe increases. The EU will have a much bigger problem in the future.

How is Putin destabilizing Syria? Was Syria stable before the Russian airstrikes? If anything he will bring the end of of the situation much quicker. There was already a migrant invasion before russian airstrikes and to my knowledge Putin is helping the real moderates(alewaties-christians-kurds). You are buying into western 'articles' too much. Regardless of his motivations, its hard to argue for his enemies here.

And yes there is a grave threat about a world war, once Turkey makes the decision to invade, all bets are off. The saudi's will not go all in, but will definitely send troops and will likely finance a major sunni power doing this. The Turks and the Saudi's have invested too much and have everything to loose, they are more likely to go in than not. Turkey's nightmare is becoming a reality, with the Israelis sponsoring an independent kurdistan, the Russians boycott and financing of Syrian kurds, Erdogan has to make the hard decision to invade. Think about the the spot Erdogan will be in 5 years where his country is surrounded by either autonomous provinces of kurds or full on independent states. He will also have to deal with the entire Russian and Israeli media apparatus constantly against him.

The saudi's on the other hand have about 4 years before their fund is depleted and will likely go begging to the bankers. There will be no cut back to production, a republican is likely to get the Whitehouse which means more US-CAN oil production. With Iran's sanctions lifted, they now have more money to double down on the Yemen war as well as funding Hezbollah in Syria. The Saudi's are in the worst spot they have been since the 90s, They need another sunni puppet client state, their future Syria. Once their funds run dry, they will have a powerful Iran to deal with and 2 Shia governed states(Iraq-Syria).

The Saudi's have already made cuts to their massive "scholarship abroad" program which is partially responsible for the universities penalizing "islamophobia" so much. That an their "donations" to these western schools. With the Decline of the Saudi's the muslum problem, at least in the western world will take a huge hit. After 2018-2019 they will have to cut their mosque building and "islamic" education abroad. Remember the saudi's have financed 25000 madrasas in Pakistan, over 2500 mosques in France alone. Not to mention all of the arms sales, stadiums, media outlets etc. Do you really think algerians in paris build 60 million dollar mosques? You think pakistanis in london are building 30 million dollar schools? Not even discussing maintenance costs. It is an extensive influence which will decline rapidly when they face the bankers.


So you see now why WW3 is possible, you have some major powers that have too much to lose and would rather go to war then face an existential threat in 5 years time.

 

[Mekorig]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

911Turbo, i am not a Putin fan, but you have to admit that Russian intervention in Syria so far had an stabilizing aspect, not desestabilizing.

 

[911Turbo]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

911Turbo, i am not a Putin fan, but you have to admit that Russian intervention in Syria so far had an stabilizing aspect, not desestabilizing.

You have to look at the demographics of Syria. 80% of the country is Sunni while there is an alawite government. The people there dont want assad, and if he stays in power they will all flock to Europe. Only alawites will be left. Heck even some alawites are being opportunistic and immigrating to Europe.

EU and NATO could of prevented this by having a no fly zone, and a safe zone where only civilians were let in. Had they sent peacekeeping forces none of this would of happened. What did EU do, they told Turkey to open their doors and welcome the refugees without thinking about the consequences.

The only solution to this problem is to install a puppet sunni government, and send all the refugees back. The longer Assad stays in power, the more Sunnis will flock to Europe. You are right Putin did not destabilize it, it was already fucked up.

So are you saying Putin does not benefit from a weak Europe? The east block Iran, Syria, Russia definitely benefits from a weak Europe. Russia is punishing europe for getting involved in Ukraine. Why was Europe involved in Ukraine anyway?

 

[911Turbo]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Putin does not give a rats ass about Syria, doubt it will lead to a world war. The only reason he got involved in Syria was to punish NATO and EU for the sanctions and expansionary policies. He is destabilizing Syria so the Migrant flow to Europe increases. The EU will have a much bigger problem in the future.

How is Putin destabilizing Syria? Was Syria stable before the Russian airstrikes? If anything he will bring the end of of the situation much quicker. There was already a migrant invasion before russian airstrikes and to my knowledge Putin is helping the real moderates(alewaties-christians-kurds). You are buying into western 'articles' too much. Regardless of his motivations, its hard to argue for his enemies here.

And yes there is a grave threat about a world war, once Turkey makes the decision to invade, all bets are off. The saudi's will not go all in, but will definitely send troops and will likely finance a major sunni power doing this. The Turks and the Saudi's have invested too much and have everything to loose, they are more likely to go in than not. Turkey's nightmare is becoming a reality, with the Israelis sponsoring an independent kurdistan, the Russians boycott and financing of Syrian kurds, Erdogan has to make the hard decision to invade. Think about the the spot Erdogan will be in 5 years where his country is surrounded by either autonomous provinces of kurds or full on independent states. He will also have to deal with the entire Russian and Israeli media apparatus constantly against him.

The saudi's on the other hand have about 4 years before their fund is depleted and will likely go begging to the bankers. There will be no cut back to production, a republican is likely to get the Whitehouse which means more US-CAN oil production. With Iran's sanctions lifted, they now have more money to double down on the Yemen war as well as funding Hezbollah in Syria. The Saudi's are in the worst spot they have been since the 90s, They need another sunni puppet client state, their future Syria. Once their funds run dry, they will have a powerful Iran to deal with and 2 Shia governed states(Iraq-Syria).

The Saudi's have already made cuts to their massive "scholarship abroad" program which is partially responsible for the universities penalizing "islamophobia" so much. That an their "donations" to these western schools. With the Decline of the Saudi's the muslum problem, at least in the western world will take a huge hit. After 2018-2019 they will have to cut their mosque building and "islamic" education abroad. Remember the saudi's have financed 25000 madrasas in Pakistan, over 2500 mosques in France alone. Not to mention all of the arms sales, stadiums, media outlets etc. Do you really think algerians in paris build 60 million dollar mosques? You think pakistanis in london are building 30 million dollar schools? Not even discussing maintenance costs. It is an extensive influence which will decline rapidly when they face the bankers.


So you see now why WW3 is possible, you have some major powers that have too much to lose and would rather go to war then face an existential threat in 5 years time.

Saudia Arabia right now is in a much better position than Russia and EU financial wise. They can survive at 50$ oil by cutting unnecessary expenditures. Oil will go back up once shale companies are BK, Saudis right now are doing everything they can to bankrupt those shale companies.

I don't think Turkey will invade Syria without NATO support. If there is NATO support though, then all bets are off and I will change my stance. The likelihood of Erdogan convincing his secular army to get involved in a secterian war is very low. But right now, Syria is just a tool Putin is using against Europe. He did not get involed in 2012-13-14 when oil was 100$. Russia was in a much better financial position. There were no sanctions, they hadnt annexed Crimea.

I can't believe people think Russia is in Syria to destroy ISIS. Mark my words, when the migrant invasion intensifies and Europe denies entry to refugees, Putin will call EU war criminals, and will say they are violating human rights. You can see the pro migrant propaganda if you read sputniknews and RT.com

In the end Assad will get rid off his sunni population, all of them will be in Europe. Once they are gone, he will call elections, and be the president. He will get elected fair and square by the way, when there are no sunnis lef all alawites and christians will vote for him.

The definition of stabilizing aspect for me is when people don't rush to the Turkish border to leave Syria. Right now thousands are flocking from Aleppo to the Turkish border in hopes of getting to Europe. When the migrant flow stops, we can say Syria has become stabilized.

PS: Those calling me an Anti-Putin shill, I am heavily invested in the Russian stock market. I can prove it to a high repped member if requested. Russian stocks are a very good buy right now. I am bullish on the future of Russia. I seriously don't know how I came off as an Anti Putin shill.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Hey 911Turbo, which shill forum are you from again? You need to cover yourself better. Russia is not there for ISIS, ISIS is part of a big problem they're dealing with, you may just see it is SUnni v Shia.

I didn't see death squads from Shia and Christian sects rampage across 2 countries (3 if you include Libya) and cutting heads and raping en masse. Funny how the main sphere of influence for Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is now deeply upset their little tactic to wipe out more Shia Muslims and Christians isn't turning out the way they expected.

Russia has long standing ties with these countries, Saudia Arabia does not and neither does the USA or Europe. WHat happens to Europe is not a concern for Russia.

The world would not give a flying fuck in the long term if Russia went all out on the Gulf States and nuked those degenerate fucks into nothingness. Only Instagram whores and stock markets would care.

 

[911Turbo]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Hey 911Turbo, which shill forum are you from again? You need to cover yourself better. Russia is not there for ISIS, ISIS is part of a big problem they're dealing with and if you weren't so ignorant on this fact you may just see it is SUnni v Shia.

I didn't see death squads from Shia and Christian sects rampage across 2 countries (3 if you include Libya) and cutting heads and raping en masse. Funny how the main sphere of influence for Sunni Islam, Saudi Arabia is now deeply upset their little tactic to wipe out more Shia Muslims and Christians isn't turning out the way they expected.

Russia has long standing ties with these countries, Saudia Arabia does not and neither does the USA or Europe. WHat happens to Europe is not a concern for Russia.

The world would not give a flying fuck in the long term if Russia went all out on the Gulf States and nuked those degenerate fucks into nothingness. Only Instagram whores and stock markets would care.

What's with the hostility? Where did I say that Shia and Christians are terrorists. I say it again, I am heavily invested in Russia. And Russia will be the dominating power in the 2nd part of the hemisphere. Schengen and NATO will collapse. I am saying the same things as you.

Those gulf states are all NATOS puppets anyway, its funny how you mention them as a power.

 

[PowerGame]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

I can't believe how some people can know so much, but still fall for the anti Russia propaganda

BTW schengen is sponsored by George soros and friends

And now sponsoring part two takes places.. Let everyone in until Europe is totally balkanized

 

[8ball]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Saudia Arabia right now is in a much better position than Russia and EU financial wise. They can survive at 50$ oil by cutting unnecessary expenditures. Oil will go back up once shale companies are BK, Saudis right now are doing everything they can to bankrupt those shale companies.

No they can't, it would mean they have to cut almost half their budget. Saudi Arabia is a pure welfare society, no economy except oil. Russia is very different, you are comparing a world power and former world super power to 20 somewhat million gulf muslums who struck gold from nowhere. Look at the budget deficits of each for 2015.

The effect on Russia: Russians become more nationalistic and look to restructure economy, boycott more foreign products, tighten belt and involve themselves in more conflicts to gain upper hand. The effect on Saudi Arabia: No more free shit for people who turn on kingdom since they need to import everything. This is not a homogenous group with a nation state history. The relationship of the people and their government is very weak.

I don't think Turkey will invade Syria without NATO support. If there is NATO support though, then all bets are off and I will change my stance. The likelihood of Erdogan convincing his secular army to get involved in a secterian war is very low. But right now, Syria is just a tool Putin is using against Europe. He did not get involed in 2012-13-14 when oil was 100$. Russia was in a much better financial position. There were no sanctions, they hadnt annexed Crimea.

If turkey doesn't invade Syria soon, then Erdogan will face far bigger existential problems later on. Also you talk of europe as if its one group with one ideology. Simply not the case, there are countries and political parties that stand to benefit from Russia's rise. How are europe's farmers better off now that Russia has boycotted their goods? How are european men better off that the lgbt agenda is being pushed on children, or that their women will get fater and uglier, or that multiculturalism is being shoved at at gun point. If some europeans are getting fucked by Putin's strategy, it is the establishment, and they have proven themselves to be fare more dangerous to europeans than Putin.

I can't believe people think Russia is in Syria to destroy ISIS. Mark my words, when the migrant invasion intensifies and Europe denies entry to refugees, Putin will call EU war criminals, and will say they are violating human rights. You can see the pro migrant propaganda if you read sputniknews and RT.com

Look at the live Syria map, Assad's army is working with the kurds + russian airstrikes to split Isis in half by taking the only 2 bridges that connect ISIS on both sides of the river. Kurds control the north and now the Assad will soon control the south. They are also pushing to take the ancient city of Palmyra, overall they are fighting isis on 5 fronts. I don't see anyone else doing this.

In the end Assad will get rid off his sunni population, all of them will be in Europe. Once they are gone, he will call elections, and be the president. He will get elected fair and square by the way, when there are no sunnis lef all alawites and christians will vote for him.

Interesting that much of sunni arab population has also fled to Damascus, and many sunni fighting groups have defected to Assad. Also the kurds are sunni and yet they are working with Assad in Aleppo. How could this be? I thought he was so evil he would wipe out all sunnis, or could it be that sunni's are fleeing into Europe to get that welfare german money while German banks and corporations get rich by keeping wages low.

 

[911Turbo]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

8ball, you are ignoring the fact that Saudi Arabia's cost of producing oil is much lower than Russia. Nearly all oil reserves in Saudi Arabia are conventional, which has a cash cost per barrel around 5-6$. The rest is pure profit. Russia's cost of extracting oil is much more higher. As a Lukoil investor I know that their breakeven price per barrel is around 20$. However you are right that Saudi is nothing without oil, but at 50$ they can survive, oil was 20-30$ not that long ago and Saudi Arabia did not collapse. They have enormous forex reserves, and before they run out of money, most shale companies will go BK and oil prices will stabilize.

And by the way, Russia is a commodity driven economy as well, they don't want oil prices to remain low either. Don't be surprised if Russia joins OPEC in the upcoming years.
I don't know why Saudi Arabia is mentioned here, they are a Washington puppet anyway. They do what they are told by Washington. They won't survive for a second if uncle Sam pulls its support.


The sunni Kurds are a different question. Kurds have been lusting to build a state for over 50 years now.
They will do anything to make it happen, even if it means joining forces with Assad.

Putin could care less if Europe was ruled by feminists and homosexuals. The only thing he wants is a slav domination in the region. Rest can be assured he will annex Ukraine once shit hits the fan in Europe, and EU won't be able to do anything. They probably wont even impose sanctions because they will be in a devestated state already.

Once the European states are weaker, Russia will have a greater influence in the region. It will be the country that will call the shots. His main aim is to break up Schengen and the NATO. The guy is pissed that EU is putting their nose in Russias internal affairs. EU supported riots in Ukraine, which led to the overthrowing of a democratically elected leader. I say they will get what they deserve. Yanukovich is still Ukraines legitimate president in my eyes. He will be back.

 

[8ball]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

8ball, you are ignoring the fact that Saudi Arabia's cost of producing oil is much lower than Russia. Nearly all oil reserves in Saudi Arabia are conventional, which has a cash cost per barrel around 5-6$. The rest is pure profit. Russia's cost of extracting oil is much more higher. As a Lukoil investor I know that their breakeven price per barrel is around 20$. However you are right that Saudi is nothing without oil, but at 50$ they can survive, oil was 20-30$ not that long ago and Saudi Arabia did not collapse. They have enormous forex reserves, and before they run out of money, most shale companies will go BK and oil prices will stabilize.

Yes SA has the lowest extraction costs in the world but given their massive welfare state they need 90$ per barrel to balance their budget according to their own stats which are notoriously inaccurate. Meanwhile they are funding multiple wars and any "restructuring" they attempt to do now simply won't be enough. How can you convert a population that is completely reliant on oil revenue to a producer of non commodity goods/services. What, You think they start making cars next year? They still have 15-20% budget deficit, that is like the US having a 4 trillion dollar deficit every year. The saudi oil producers won't go bankrupt, its the country that might.

In terms of the shell oil producers going bankrupt. Some will but many will cut the fat and hang on as long as they break even. Next year, any repub will gut the EPA to oblivion and sign off on the keystone pipeline.

 

[Going strong]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

PS: Those calling me an Anti-Putin shill, I am heavily invested in the Russian stock market. I can prove it to a high repped member if requested. Russian stocks are a very good buy right now. I am bullish on the future of Russia. I seriously don't know how I came off as an Anti Putin shill.

I checked data sent to me by PM by 911Turbo, and it does seem like he invested some good savings in Russia, and is not anti-Putin (quite the contrary I'd think).

I agree that now is probably the right time to buy Russian shares, by the way.

911Turbo: I agree with part of your analysis, but don't agree with half of your analysis especially on Putin's goals and preferences (I myself think that Putin sincerely hurts when he sees Western Europe invaded by, and I quote him, "our former colonies"), but anyone is entitled to his opinion.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

911 Turbo, most of the migrants are not actual refugees and are not Syrian at all (heck, many are not even Arab!). The migrant crisis is something that is fully under the control of Europe, since Europe gets to decide whether to give money to migrants, whether to have secure borders, and whether to enforce laws and deport criminals and other unwanted people. Since Europe is currently ruled by globalist scum intent on destroying Europe, Europe remains wide open. But it is by its own choice, not because of Putin, Obama or anyone else.

The whole idea that Putin is somehow "punishing Europe by destabilizing Syria and sending them refugees" is absurd. You can only punish someone who wants to be punished.

 

[Going strong]

RE: Russia: "New World War" Starting In Syria

Look elsewhere to find responsibility, for this migrants invasion:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nto-europe-is-impossible-says-czech-president

"Czech president Milos Zeman, known for his fiery anti-migrant rhetoric, claimed on Sunday it was “practically impossible” to integrate the Muslim community into European society.

“The experience of western European countries which have ghettos and excluded localities shows that the integration of the Muslim community is practically impossible,” Zeman said in a televised interview.

Milos Zeman claimed the influx of refugees into Europe was masterminded by Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood"