The Syria conflict thread

Another update. The border agreement reached between Putin and Erdogan is being implemented right now and is what led to the permanent ceasefire that Trump has been talking about. The Kurdish militias are withdrawing from the Turkish border as agreed. More recently the Kurdish-led "Syrian Democratic Forces" umbrella group, which mostly consists of Kurds along with some former FSA Arab fighters, has agreed to be incorporated into the Syrian Army, saying that they see themselves as "Syrian and a part of Syria", adding that they will agree to work with the Syrian Government. They are working on a political settlement with President Assad's government. The parties agree to "preserve the political unity and territorial integrity of Syria" as well as protect the "national security of Turkey".

As said before, one of the points of this safe zone agreement is that Turkey will begin to resettle some of the several million Syrians inside of Turkey back into north Syria in this safe zone.

It is being reported now that the remaining jihadists in Idlib are being targeted by combined air and artillery strikes right now by Russia and Syria, so it seems that an Idlib liberation operation is about to be under way.

Russia is also now demanding that the US leave both the oil fields and the base in southern Syria near the Jordanian and Iraqi borders, calling it an illegal occupation that is blocking some of the main roads between Syria and Iraq including the Baghdad-Damascus highway. We know the US is trying to hold on to these for Israel's benefit. The Iraqi government, interestingly, has also protested the stationing of US troops from north Syria in western Iraq, saying they don't want them in their country.

Again, although it was worrying to see the deep state trying to stop the withdrawal, even so this situation is seeming like a win for all four parties involved -- Syria, Turkey, Russia, and the US. Israel and its proxies are the main losers.

It's retarded to still see people in the media and online complaining about "the Kurds" and the ISIS prisoners escaping. The whole point of this deal is that the Kurds will not have anything happen to them if they submit to the Syrian government, and do you really think Assad and Russia are going to allow a few hundred ISIS guys sabotage their plans of stabilizing and reuniting Syria? No. They defeated ISIS in Syria almost single-handily when it was at the peak of its strength in 2015-2016, so a few hundred escaped prisoners will not be a problem.

This concern about an "ISIS resurgence" and "abandoning the Kurds" is the most contrived and convoluted narrative I have seen since the end of the Mueller investigation. Because ISIS is a real and serious group. Not invented by the CIA. Not invented by Israel. It's a very real group.
 
There are now two different OPCW whistleblowers coming out and saying that the OPCW senior leadership deliberately covered up evidence that its own investigative team visiting Syria found that the April 2018 "gas attack" was completely staged by the White Helmets.

One of them was a member of the engineering team that examined the ballistics of the gas cylinder allegedly dropped by Syrian aircraft, and the second examined the traces of chemicals left at the location. Both of them found that the evidence does not align with the claims made by the rebels.

I am bringing this up now because the OPCW is apparently going to publish a report early next year to assign blame to the attack, so whatever they say then, just remember this.

There is a great article on Moon of Alabama summarizing the circumstances.

On April 7 2018 Syrian 'rebels' claimed that the Syrian government had used chlorine gas and Sarin in an attack on the besieged Douma suburb near the Syrian capital Damascus. They published a series of videos which showed the dead bodies of mainly women and children.

Before the incident Jaish al-Islam, the main 'rebel' group in Douma, had already agreed to leave towards Idleb governorate. Under those circumstances the claims made no sense. The various details in the produced videos and pictures were inconsistent with a chemical incident.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) investigated the incident and in July 2018 produced an interim report (pdf) that showed that no Sarin was used in Douma. The OPCW inspectors had only found various chlorinated organic chemicals (COCs) which are common in every household. Media falsely claimed that those finds were proof of a chlorine gas attack.

The interim report did not show any use of chemical weapons but it had, as we noted, some curious anomalies:

The preliminary OPCW report says nothing about the concentrations in which these substances were found. Without knowing the concentrations, which may may be extremely low, one can not come to further conclusion. The report includes none of the witness statements the fact finding mission took. In various TV reports the medical personal of the one hospital involved in the stunt said that none of their patients were affected by chlorine or chemical weapons.

The final report (pdf), published in March 2019, changed the tone. It specifically claimed that gas cylinders found at two places of the incident must have been dropped from the air. As only the Syrian government, not the 'rebels', has used helicopters the report was an indictment of the Syrian government.

In May 2019 one OPCW inspector came forward and said that the OPCW management had suppressed an internal engineering assessment that contradicted the claim that the gas cylinder fell from the air. OPCW management had used external expertise of unknown provenance that had come to the wrong conclusion. The cylinders must have been positioned by hand. The incident was staged.

Now a second OPCW whistleblower has come forward with additional claims that the OPCW management manipulated the findings of its own inspectors after it had come under pressure from U.S. officials.

Jonathan Steele, a former chief foreign correspondent for the Guardian, writes:

"The inspector went public with his allegations at a recent all-day briefing in Brussels for people from several countries working in disarmament, international law, military operations, medicine and intelligence. They included Richard Falk, former UN special rapporteur on Palestine and Major-General John Holmes, a distinguished former commander of Britain’s special forces. The session was organised by the Courage Foundation, a New York-based fund which supports whistle-blowers. I attended as an independent reporter.

The whistle-blower gave us his name but prefers to go under the pseudonym Alex out of concern, he says, for his safety.

He is the second member of the Douma Fact-Finding Mission to have alleged that scientific evidence was suppressed."

The OPCW inspector had written the original interim report and, based on his own and his colleagues findings, concluded that the incident was "a non chemical-related event". But the OPCW management rewrote the report and left that conclusion out.

The whistleblower also explained the lack of COC concentration values in the interim report that we had noted:

"By then the inspector had learnt that the results of the quantitative analysis of the samples from the allegedly attacked buildings had been delivered to management from the test laboratories but not passed on to the inspectors. He got sight of the results which indicated that the levels of COCs were much lower than what would be expected in environmental samples. They were comparable to and even lower than those given in the World Health Organisation’s guidelines on recommended permitted levels of trichlorophenol and other COCs in drinking water. The redacted version of the report made no mention of the findings.

Alex described this omission as “deliberate and irregular”. “Had they been included, the public would have seen that the levels of COCs found were no higher than you would expect in any household environment”, he said.

The inspector who drafted the original report was furious when he realised it was to be replaced by a doctored management version. He wrote an email of complaint to the OPCW’s director general. The DG was Ahmet Uzumcu, a Turkish diplomat but his chef de cabinet, the man considered to have the most power in the OPCW on day-to-day issues was Bob Fairweather, a British career diplomat."

The intervention was unsuccessful and the OPCW management published the manipulated report without the concentration values.

It soon became clear to the inspectors who was behind this manipulation:

"On July 4 there was another intervention. Fairweather, the chef de cabinet, invited several members of the drafting team to his office. There they found three US officials who were cursorily introduced without making clear which US agencies they represented. The Americans told them emphatically that the Syrian regime had conducted a gas attack, and that the two cylinders found on the roof and upper floor of the building contained 170 kilograms of chlorine. The inspectors left Fairweather’s office, feeling that the invitation to the Americans to address them was unacceptable pressure and a violation of the OPCW’s declared principles of independence and impartiality."

Under U.S pressure the OPCW management ignored the findings of its own inspectors and published at least two manipulated reports that falsely accused the Syrian government of a chemical attack.

The OPCW management did not respond to questions Jonathan Steele submitted to it.
 

Syberpunk

Pelican
Gold Member
RIslander said:
911 said:
I watched some of her work and she is quite intelligent and informed. She may be speaking for herself or she may be parroting what others tell her but either way shes right on the mark.

She's also cute in an exotic sort of way.
WNPOS

Would not pull out of Syria.
 

I always notice how Syrians silently flood into Europe and how little news there is about the war and how little information / education on their culture there is.

I guess the powers that be want a maximum culture clash...

I wonder how many Syrians are aware that they are merely designated shock troops for the globalists who started their war?
 
But in every war there are winners. Newcomers who have profited over nearly a decade of conflict are now jostling with those at the top. This is the story of how a handful of men — two of them brothers — grew to dominate Syria’s devastated economy.

“There is a new class of wealthy war traders,” said Mazen, an Aleppo businessman from an old industrial family. The old guard call these people “new faces”. “We don’t know how they make money,” he continued. “Sometimes we ask ourselves if we’re in the wrong business.”

These individuals have made fortunes picking clean the carcass of the country’s economy. From melting down steel ripped from its shattered cities to brokering oil deals forbidden under international sanctions, to selling hotel rooms to aid workers, following the money leads us into the dark dealings of today’s Syria.

Their dramatic rise to fortune has also helped the regime to survive by keeping trade going, oil flowing and helping to fund pro-regime militias, even as the country lies in ruins around them.
https://www.ft.com/content/525ec4e4-e4a3-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

You can bet globalists are raking in the dough as usual...
 

renotime

Ostrich
Gold Member
Knight of Malta said:
There are now two different OPCW whistleblowers coming out and saying that the OPCW senior leadership deliberately covered up evidence that its own investigative team visiting Syria found that the April 2018 "gas attack" was completely staged by the White Helmets.
As we all knew last year it was obviously a false flag. As usual the news bought it. Whatever happened to investigate reporting? Anyone with half a brain would ask "Why would Assad use chemical weapons when he's nearly won?" Yesterday's Watergate has been taken over by today's Russiagate. Walter Cronkite has been replaced by fags like Don Lemon.

Of course no one is going to report on this because it's real news backed with evidence.

But as usual Ron Paul sees through the smoke.

 

AntoniusofEfa

Woodpecker
SomeOneSomeWhere said:
But in every war there are winners. Newcomers who have profited over nearly a decade of conflict are now jostling with those at the top. This is the story of how a handful of men — two of them brothers — grew to dominate Syria’s devastated economy.

“There is a new class of wealthy war traders,” said Mazen, an Aleppo businessman from an old industrial family. The old guard call these people “new faces”. “We don’t know how they make money,” he continued. “Sometimes we ask ourselves if we’re in the wrong business.”

These individuals have made fortunes picking clean the carcass of the country’s economy. From melting down steel ripped from its shattered cities to brokering oil deals forbidden under international sanctions, to selling hotel rooms to aid workers, following the money leads us into the dark dealings of today’s Syria.

Their dramatic rise to fortune has also helped the regime to survive by keeping trade going, oil flowing and helping to fund pro-regime militias, even as the country lies in ruins around them.
https://www.ft.com/content/525ec4e4-e4a3-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

You can bet globalists are raking in the dough as usual...
That money is nothing compared to tech. These guys are more like a few rats eating the leftovers.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
US troops getting involved in a heated exchange and a shootout with angry locals in northern Syria, which reportedly saw one man killed. A Russian military convoy then moved to de-escalate the situation.

Reports say the US armored convoy was stopped at a Syrian Army checkpoint in a village near the town of Qamishli on Wednesday. The altercation attracted a large group of civilians, who tried to block the convoy from advancing any further.


https://www.rt.com/news/480692-us-military-convoy-syria/
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
https://uawire.org/russia-begins-to-establish-control-over-syria-s-main-highway

"
Russian military police have begun to take control of the M5 motorway in Syria, reported Al Hadath TV channel on Twitter. M5 is the country's main highway that connects Damascus with the central and northern regions.

Russian military police units have reportedly begun to deploy along the road, including in Idlib province, where fighting is underway for the control of the highway.

The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet commented on this information.

The M5 road runs through Syria. It connects Aleppo in the north with the cities of Hama, Homs and Damascus, and in the south reaches the province of Daraa and the border with Jordan. The road allows the military to quickly transfer equipment and deliver supplies. Since 2012, the highway has been under the control of the armed opposition.

"

Erdogan's barking up the wrong tree, it seems. The Russians aren't backing down even though he is trying to pressure them

He might still invade Idlib though. The man's a loose card. Invaded the ISIS held Al Bab area when everybody though he wouldn't. Invaded YPG held Afrin when people thought he wouldn't, and then the Ras al Ayn - Tal Abyad strip. He didn't need approval from the USA, he knew they would bend with him anyway.

Nationalistic fervour is high in Turkey. Especially now that the Syrian Army has started shooting back (13 Turkish soldiers KIA).

Erdogan has given the Syrian Arab Army till the end of February to withdraw to the lines laid out in the Sochi Agreement. Which basically means that he has boxed himself in because the SAA isn't going anywhere.

Letting the SAA steamroll his al Qaida proxies after these treats would be a huge loss of face and could cost him internal support
 

Goni

Robin
Yatagan said:
Turkish MANPADs Don’t Help. Syrian Army Liberates Entire Westen Aleppo



La Águila Negra said:
https://uawire.org/russia-begins-to-establish-control-over-syria-s-main-highway

"
Russian military police have begun to take control of the M5 motorway in Syria, reported Al Hadath TV channel on Twitter. M5 is the country's main highway that connects Damascus with the central and northern regions.

Russian military police units have reportedly begun to deploy along the road, including in Idlib province, where fighting is underway for the control of the highway.

The Russian Defense Ministry has not yet commented on this information.

The M5 road runs through Syria. It connects Aleppo in the north with the cities of Hama, Homs and Damascus, and in the south reaches the province of Daraa and the border with Jordan. The road allows the military to quickly transfer equipment and deliver supplies. Since 2012, the highway has been under the control of the armed opposition.

"

Erdogan's barking up the wrong tree, it seems. The Russians aren't backing down even though he is trying to pressure them

He might still invade Idlib though. The man's a loose card. Invaded the ISIS held Al Bab area when everybody though he wouldn't. Invaded YPG held Afrin when people thought he wouldn't, and then the Ras al Ayn - Tal Abyad strip. He didn't need approval from the USA, he knew they would bend with him anyway.

Nationalistic fervour is high in Turkey. Especially now that the Syrian Army has started shooting back (13 Turkish soldiers KIA).

Erdogan has given the Syrian Arab Army till the end of February to withdraw to the lines laid out in the Sochi Agreement. Which basically means that he has boxed himself in because the SAA isn't going anywhere.

Letting the SAA steamroll his al Qaida proxies after these treats would be a huge loss of face and could cost him internal support
Things are not so black and white dear members of this forum.

It is not always " Russia good whites fighting against evil deep state and muslims" in every case.

Russians and Putin are oportunistic people and not backed up too much by moral values.

If Russia does not respect the agreement in made with Turkey, in 2018, that means Russia will lose very much internationally and not even Iran will ever consider Russia as an ally.

It is not a matter of nationalistic fervour in Turkey. Erdogan is more of a conservative pseudo Ottoman politician and not so much in line with typical nationalistic ethnic ideas of Ataturk who converted the official language from Ottoman to Turkish language and presented by law Turkish surnames in 1934 ( which did not exist in Ottoman times) evan though by all means he was of Albanian stock.

Erdogan has intervened many times in Syria as it borders his country.

In all cases he has protected the security of his country against dangerous organizations.

Can you imagine USA or Russia having a country such as Syria in their borders??? What would they have done???

2nd Chechenia maybe.

I know theee things very well since my beother has a Phd in history and I have lived in Balkans and been to Turkey many times.

The real deal here is not " Good Assad and heroic Russians" liberating Syria from jihadists and evil turkish soldiers.

The real deal here is what is going to happen with the people fleeing.

As none of you is not living in Syria or Turkey, keep in mind that Turkey is holding 4 million Syrian refugees , that have the cost of 40 billion euros, while the EU has given just 4 billion euros.

More than 500,000 syrians have gone to Turkey in the last 7 weeks.

With the escalation more than 1 million more are expected to come .

So you are expecting for Turkey to hold 6 million Syrians by spending 20 billion euros more and no one does nothing?

Or should Turkey open the gates?

The Russians are aware of all this situation btw.

Maybe Putin wants million more browns to enter Europe?

Who knows.
 

kel

Pelican
I'm all for the world giving money to Turkey to help pay for the "refugee crisis" if they contain the people there, though in fairness Turkey had a good hand in creating the crisis as well. Europe won't meaningfully do it, though, because the EU wants to import these people. If they didn't they wouldn't even need to deal with it, guarding the tiny border along Bulgaria and Greece and the Aegean sea would be easy and relatively cheap. A hardass leader would tell Erdogan to find a way to protect their border, because Europe is going to protect its border so whoever gets in your country is your problem.
 

kel

Pelican
It's also worth noting that Turkey is harboring those "refugees", but they are not offering them citizenship or permanent residency (though there is apparently a motion to do so). And why should they? I respect them for that, of course the Turks wouldn't want to do that. Elsewhere, people (particularly those of fairer complexion) are told they're racist if they want to follow that Turkish model.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Erdogan is an impulsive, opportunistic and corrupt leader. His family has profited from the looting of Syria, and he's harboring and supporting jihadi freaks in north Syria.


New footage of Russo-American tension in northern Syria, US armored vehicle goes out of its way to push Russian jeep off the road:


The Russians are playing the long game here and will eventually win out because they have the support of the Syrian people, whereas the US is using its military to fulfill neocon goals, straight out taking Syrian oil and preventing the country's reconstruction, keeping the migrant crisis and chaos going. But you have to wonder if an incident like this could escalate...
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
911 said:
Erdogan is an impulsive, opportunistic and corrupt leader. His family has profited from the looting of Syria, and he's harboring and supporting jihadi freaks in north Syria.


New footage of Russo-American tension in northern Syria, US armored vehicle goes out of its way to push Russian jeep off the road:


The Russians are playing the long game here and will eventually win out because they have the support of the Syrian people, whereas the US is using its military to fulfill neocon goals, straight out taking Syrian oil and preventing the country's reconstruction, keeping the migrant crisis and chaos going. But you have to wonder if an incident like this could escalate...
We just keep poking the bear while we can't even defend our own borders and our citizens are not safe.

As you said, Russia can play the long game, their country is growing by leaps and bounds while the US is crumbling. But if you get two hot heads in each vehicle this could escalate to a war real quickly.

I would like to know if the US driver was punished for this move.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
It_is_my_time said:
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We just keep poking the bear while we can't even defend our own borders and our citizens are not safe.
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This will help you with the "we" part, IIMT. Whenever you see a US flag attached to a military vehicle then imagine an Israeli one in its place. Then you will not be upset that "your" military is being misused because you will accept that it's not "your" military.

The best you can do is to make sure that none of your sons (of God forbid, daughters) end up with foreign blood on their hands or being fed into the Israeli meat grinder.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
Goni

I know theee things very well since my beother has a Phd in history and I have lived in Balkans and been to Turkey many times
Just highlighted this part cause I think it's funny.

As for the rest of your post: it's gibberish and makes very little sense out of whichever perspective I am trying to explain it from, aside from being a nationalist Turk (MHP, AKP or whatever other flavour there is)

Erdogan is a populist Islamist leader that is highly popular amongst the low-educated and often inbred masses (Kurds included). His policies, especially the ones in Syria, have been shortsighted and lacking depth. With every move he makes the situation deteriorates.

You try to portray Turkey as a victim of the Syrian civil war. Insane. Mate, the amount of death, carnage and suffering Erdogan and his loonies have caused from 2011 onwards is off the charts. Remember, Syria pre civil war was an autocratic, nepotisic yet safe police state. It held no loans with the IMF. Economic growth was steady. A regional beacon of peace and stability

Turkey comes before Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and the USA as the main instigator of the uprising. The early leadership (Riad Al Asad and his henchmen) resided in Turkey. Weapon shipments were delivered through Turkey's territory. Turkey and it's allies (especially France and the US) gave the so called FSA diplomatic cover on world stage. Oil shipments were sold illegally in Turkey. Northern Syrian industrial areas were stripped of anything of value: it was all sold in Turkey

It only got worse from there. As the Islamist ideology became more prevalent through the years Turkey became the main hub for foreign jihadis. Support networks popped up and were being left untouched. Tens of thousands of jihadis took the plane to Istanbul and were being transported to Syria from there as if it was nothing.

Leaked cables indicate that the Turkish secret service assisted in bringing Uzbeks, Chechens and Uygurs (premium warriors) toSyria. Weapon shipments became increasingly sophisticated, TOW missiles, MANPADS, obsolete armor etc.

And now Turkey has illegally invaded and occupied part of Syria. Whilst standing in the same trenches as Al Qaida and co. Erdogan is trying to protect Turkey from who exactly?

Erdogan has no intention of solving the refugee crises. He uses it as a bargaining chip, both domestically and on world stage. Merkel is now his lapdog. As soon as he mentions letting loose three million refugees she starts licking his boots and gives him free money. The dumb masses at home are manipulated into supporting his military incursions to 'resettle the refugees'. Yet they never return and the argument just comes back when the next military operation is being planned.

The Russians have called Erdogan's posturing bluff yesterday. Those M60 Sabre tanks got smoked. It's heartwarming to see that they stand by their long term ally. The Syrian Arab Republic is the sole legitimate government of Syria and they will continue to fight foreign invaders and their headchopping proxy-scum

Good on them!
 
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