The only true science is experimental the rest is just philosophic speculation dressed up in scientific garb.
The Theory Of Evolution Is Incompatible With Christianity
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The fact that there are similarities between the genomes of animals, that go along with the morphological similarities, does not prove relatedness, it merely disproves any theories that rely on there being no such similarities. What you have is something consistent with your hypothesis, but you can never prove a hypothesis, this is basic philosophy of science. If the creation hypothesis necessitates that the evidence be different to that presented then you can consider it disproven, but as far as I can see that is not the case.
Nice prediction. Just like "man will never be able to fly". We already have genetically modified organisms, bacteria that produces human insulin with a human allele, tobacco plants that glow in the dark with a firefly allele, cloned animals, etc. And then there's Craig Venter's artificial cell. We're getting there. Isn't that what Orthodoxy is about? Theosis? Was man not put at the head of all the animals?
Let me ask you this, what was the first hominin to have a soul? Australopithecus? Homo Erectus? Homo Neanderthalensis? Or only Homo Sapiens? But we know Homo Sapiens lived contemporaneously with Homo Neanderthalensis, and that Homo Neanderthalensis had burial rituals. So which archaic hominin had a soul?
Not exclusively. There aren't experiments in observational astronomy (looking at stars) or ethology (looking at animals in the wild), but you would never dare to dismiss those.
So how are those 2 fields science if they don't use the scientific method?
You're conflating Theosis with materialistic pursuits. Theosis doesn't mean to acquire more earthly knowledge or power, see the Tower of Babel
This is a false question. Your science says they interbred and that people are a certain percentage Neandertal, which would make them all actually the same species, all human. Just different races. You could take the skeleton of an Australian aborigine and the skeleton of a white NBA player, or the skeleton of an African pygmy, and you could be forgiven for thinking they are different species.
But I take it you're not really an Orthodox Inquirer. An Inquirer would be inquiring, and not laughing at Orthodox statements, as you did to mine, and they wouldn't be so forcefully pushing the most atheistic point of view that even atheists are abandoning in favor of the simulation fantasy.
Because the experimental method is not a golden hammer. You could, in some contrived way, force the experimental framework in those settings as well: "Hypothesis: If we look at this part of the sky, we expect to find something", so it is testable. In fact that, is the experiment.
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"Orthodox Inquirer" yet pushes the most absurd atheistic fantasies
Restricts who can view their profile (quick learner for a chicken, almost like you've done this before!)
And we're supposed to believe you're not a troll?
Here's a nice article on this subject from a Thomistic perspective. I think - but I am not completely sure - that the same reasoning applied in the article to non-negotiable Roman Catholic doctrines regarding the soul/original sin, also applies to non-negotiable Orthodox doctrines regarding the soul/original sin.
So those fields of study are not science, just observation.
So according to you, Neanderthals must have had souls because they were human? Not all of the archaic hominins interbred, or were capable of it; A. Africanus for example is a different lineage.
Strawman.
Evolution is "atheistic" only if you believe in a literal 6-day creation, which, to borrow your method of arguing, Christians have largely abandoned over the past 100 years in favor of the Theistic evolution fantasy. Why do you believe evolution and Christianity, even the creation narrative, are incompatible?
I haven't. I just learned to protect myself from predators like you. What information did you expect to find?
If only you applied the same doubt to Simeon living for 300 years, John the Evangelist drifting in the sea for 40 days (what did he survive on?), and Jonah surviving in a whale's belly for 3 days.
Why?
So essentially you are deciding which bits of the Bible make sense according to your presuppositions. I pray you aren't getting this from your Catechism...
Orthodoxy is full of tales of miracles, not only in the scriptures themselves, but also through the lives of the Saints. If you don't believe that God can intervene in history and allow for miracles then what are you even doing at church bruh?
Do you believe that Christ rose from the dead?
Sounds closer to philosophy to me.
First of all Simeon's age and John's journey are not in the Bible but rather in the Tradition. But yes. Were we not told to "search the scriptures" and that "the truth will set you free"? In a recent sermon from an Archbishop on the Sunday of Saint Thomas he said precisely that we're supposed to investigate them and ask questions.
Inquiring :>
Philosophy doesn't concern itself with observations of the natural world.
Well if God can raise the dead, why can't he grant exceptionally old age to Simeon? Why can't he sustain St. John for 40 days?
Why would you look at Holy tradition with the eyes of an atheist? God exists, He can suspend the laws He created at will. There is no sense taking a materialist viewpoint to Church.
All bible study done using the Skeptic's Annotated Bible
I wonder whether this Archbishop did a Paschal sermon about how 'of course men can't really rise from the dead...'
This kind of stuff saddens me...
This kind of stuff saddens me...
Forgive me for interacting with an already banned member, I don't wish to encourage their behaviour, but someone else might find this useful...
You are supposed to humble yourself and comply with Orthodox tradition... That doesn't mean the abandonment of all discernment, however the Orthodox, unlike Catholics are pretty rigourous when they compile the lives of Saints. They don't just include testimony from anyone, they go with stuff that is verifiable either by multiple people, or by credible people. So I don't see that it is my job to expand on that with my own doubts and unbelief. My judgement is very untrustworthy.
ST John was an extremely blessed individual, who was beloved of Christ and granted revelation of the end-times. He clearly had favour with the Lord, why wouldn't he, through Christ, be able to sustain himself for 40 days? Through Christ, he, an illiterate fisherman became the greatest theologian in history. Why doubt? And if you are going to doubt why not doubt all of it?
It doesn't seem like you're investigating truth. Not sure you should have been banned though.
I mean it's not something I've extensively researched personally, it could be a typo on one of the sites for all I know. It certainly doesn't necessitate doubting all of the traditions of the Church.
Personally, you strike me as though you have an axe to grind, and these doubts you are expressing aren't just the kinds of doubts and questions that arise generally when inquiring into Orthodoxy (things such as 'what is all this Mary business about?' etc) it seems more like you are looking for stuff to be doubtful of. Like your intellect is better than the Patristic mind of the Church and it's Saints. I hope that you can rectify this, and that you are being guided in the right direction because it doesn't strike me that you have a healthy attitude towards these matters. That is assuming you aren't just trolling
Titus 3:
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Stop responding to Diophantus, it isn't good for us or him to continue this dialogue as it isn't going anywhere.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Stop responding to Diophantus, it isn't good for us or him to continue this dialogue as it isn't going anywhere.