Stop responding to Diophantus, it isn't good for us or him to continue this dialogue as it isn't going anywhere.
Forgive me, I got carried away. Apologies that I dragged this off topic
Stop responding to Diophantus, it isn't good for us or him to continue this dialogue as it isn't going anywhere.
Modern Atheism is materialist. Materialism rejects the immaterial. Logic, reason, knowledge and the empirical method itself are immaterial. This means modern atheism rejects logic, reason, knowledge and the empirical method. They literally know nothing because they reject the existence of knowledge. Hence materialist atheism is imbecility.Why? Because you said so? If you had to go by empirical evidence that is on hand alone, atheism is perfectly rational. And many, if not most scientists are atheists - far from imbeciles.
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To play devil's advocate, the peacock's feathers do serve the purpose of helping it to attract mates but I agree that there is an inherent beauty in creation and that God deserves all the glory for it.So you think that not only did a bunch of organic molecules randomly form and assemble each other, but they did so in a complex enough way that the several proteins and enzymes that randomly formed were able to self replicate, all without any sort of divine intervention.
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Imagine the cynicism required to think that peacocks just randomly formed like that, to the point where they can barely fly, because "natural selection," as if being weighed down by hundreds of purely decorative feathers is better for survival. No, that's from a benevolent God who created beautiful things.
Atheistic evolution is a mental illness.
Pardon me if I’m hard on evolution, but you can easily calculate the untold number of souls that it has helped lead to damnation, all consensually by those who wanted to believe in scientists over the Church,
But at the same time, the peahen has to be able to appreciate the peacock's feathers, so there's a bit of a chicken-or-egg problem. What makes it even more bizarre is that the peacock's feathers do not appear to confer survival advantages, but appear to be specialized toward attracting a mate. In other words, it's a trait that doesn't seem to conform to the normal evolutionary narrative of survival of the fittest, as the peacock's plumage can even be seen as a negative survival trait (opposite of camouflage) that is only selected purely for its function in the mating dance. So why didn't the peahen "evolve" to prefer mean fighter males that could fight off predators and protect themselves and their mate over pretty-boys? Shouldn't survival be stronger pressure than having bright flashy feathers?To play devil's advocate, the peacock's feathers do serve the purpose of helping it to attract mates but I agree that there is an inherent beauty in creation and that God deserves all the glory for it.
I think survival in survival-of-the-fittest refers more so to the species' ability to propagate itself rather than it's day-to-day survival capabilities. That said, I am by no means a darwinist or evolutionist. Macro-evolution is undeniably false. Micro-evolution has some merit but I couldn't say that I believe in it. I'm a young-earth creationist/Christian.But at the same time, the peahen has to be able to appreciate the peacock's feathers, so there's a bit of a chicken-or-egg problem. What makes it even more bizarre is that the peacock's feathers do not appear to confer survival advantages, but appear to be specialized toward attracting a mate. In other words, it's a trait that doesn't seem to conform to the normal evolutionary narrative of survival of the fittest, as the peacock's plumage can even be seen as a negative survival trait (opposite of camouflage) that is only selected purely for its function in the mating dance. So why didn't the peahen "evolve" to prefer mean fighter males that could fight off predators and protect themselves and their mate over pretty-boys? Shouldn't survival be stronger pressure than having bright flashy feathers?
From a creation point of view, how did humans and animals spawn on Earth? For example you have an uninahbited earth and then in the blink of an eye did the first human or animal appear out of nowhere? What would that process look like, do we think?
PS: I accept creationism as the only way, and I have a theory in my mind, but very interested to others thoughts.
@Roosh
You fail to understand the fundemental difference between Neo-Darwinianism (by chance evolutionism as you describe) and versions of theistic evolution or supernatural-selectionism that accept evolution but assert God's creation.
He hasn't failed to understand anything. Theistic evolution is still incompatible with the fundamental teachings of the Bible. For example, on the nature of death. Death is a stranger to this world that entered due to our sin, not a fundamental building block of all creation.@Roosh
You fail to understand the fundemental difference between Neo-Darwinianism (by chance evolutionism as you describe) and versions of theistic evolution or supernatural-selectionism that accept evolution but assert God's creation.
Do you believe that blacks and middle easterners are inferior to whites? If not, what's wrong with blacks and arabs taking over white countries? After all, in your non-Darwinian world we should all be the same humans fashioned by God.Darwinism is the heresy (a justification for Anglo ‘born to rule’ classism) . Evolution strikes me as compatible with revealed Truth.
Sophistry at its finest. Absolutely sad. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an atheist speak out against formal logic, mathematics, or the knowledge they build their arguments upon, so there goes that theory.Modern Atheism is materialist. Materialism rejects the immaterial. Logic, reason, knowledge and the empirical method itself are immaterial. This means modern atheism rejects logic, reason, knowledge and the empirical method.
So you are an Orthodox Catechumen and believe in Darwinism?Do you believe that blacks and middle easterners are inferior to whites? If not, what's wrong with blacks and arabs taking over white countries? After all, in your non-Darwinian world we should all be the same humans fashioned by God.Would you let your daughter marry an Orthodox Christian black man from Kenya (Alexandrian Patriarchate)?
Sophistry at its finest. Absolutely sad. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an atheist speak out against formal logic, mathematics, or the knowledge they build their arguments upon, so there goes that theory.
It's practically impossible not to at this point. The evidence is staggering. It would be like asking if you believe in gravity or electromagnetism or conservation of momentum. And everyone who has graduated in STEM believes in it as well. There is no better working model.So you are an Orthodox Catechumen and believe in Darwinism?
Ok. It does in large part contradict Genesis. I personally don’t believe in evolution after having believed in it for many years. Interesting but there is a website positing that there is no such thing as gravity but what we take as gravity is an effect of electromagnetism. I believe that the site is run by electrical engineers. Also in regards to evolution it is unverifiable personally whereas gravity on the Earth, electromagnetism and conservation of momentum is personally verifiable. So a belief in evolution is faith in speculation, while there is not a belief in those other things but verifiable knowledge.It's practically impossible not to at this point. The evidence is staggering. It would be like asking if you believe in gravity or electromagnetism or conservation of momentum. And everyone who has graduated in STEM believes in it as well.
Not an argument and projection. Which modern atheist has given a justification for knowledge, logic or reason?Sophistry at its finest. Absolutely sad. I'm pretty sure I've never seen an atheist speak out against formal logic, mathematics, or the knowledge they build their arguments upon, so there goes that theory.