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<blockquote data-quote="KantPost" data-source="post: 1476483" data-attributes="member: 22302">Yes, rational debate will be rejected by those who cannot support their claims with reason.The Greeks over 2000 years ago established this basic truth. Something cannot come from nothingYou have to interject a First Mover because there can be no other cause. Someone/thing had to cause the something. The something cannot bring itself into existence because it would have to exist before existing. With this plain truth we can move forward and try to learn more about the First Mover.It really is that simple.But if one has immoral passions that blind his elementary sense of reason, of course he cannot see what is so plainly true. He cannot see because he wills it that he doesn't see it.The most important thing to understand about why people attack God is because they just don't want it all to be true. Because if it were true, they would most likely have to change their wicked ways which they have grown fond of.Edit: I missed your last part. Yes, I agree with you. It all comes down to faith in life. Just as all points of disagreement are at root theological</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KantPost, post: 1476483, member: 22302"] Yes, rational debate will be rejected by those who cannot support their claims with reason. The Greeks over 2000 years ago established this basic truth. [I]Something cannot come from nothing[/I] You have to interject a First Mover because [I]there can be no other cause[/I]. Someone/thing had to cause the something. The something cannot bring itself into existence because it would have to exist before existing. With this plain truth we can move forward and try to learn more about the First Mover. It really is that simple. But if one has immoral passions that blind his elementary sense of reason, of course he cannot see what is so plainly true. He cannot see because he wills it that he doesn't see it. The most important thing to understand about why people attack God is because they just don't want it all to be true. Because if it were true, they would most likely have to change their wicked ways which they have grown fond of. Edit: I missed your last part. Yes, I agree with you. It all comes down to faith in life. Just as all points of disagreement are at root theological [/QUOTE]

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