The Thin Blue Line

Nobody even referred to social media posts or cited any.

And how are they overwhelmingly not?

It’s happened over 3,000 times in Florida alone:

You realize that the vast majority of cops are big time gun nuts, correct? You think they spend their time thinking about how to enforce guns laws and take away normal people's guns?
The news report you posted said nothing about cops, or their preferences.
The police and the military are two of the last major institutions in the US where the mid and lower levels are on the "good" side. Yet people here demand that we abandon the last institutions that aren't completely sold out.
Individual police have a wide discretion on how they want to enforce the law as they go about their shift. Sure, if a direct order comes down from above, they will enforce the order. But that isn't how a cops day operates 99.9% of the time. Just wait until cops have been replaced by social workers and the right wing will see exactly how enforcement of the law changes. Pick up trucks with USA flags are going to be pulled over for random or made up infractions rather than black males. Middle aged men who look like they might be concealed carrying are going to have their papers checked rather than young males who look like they might have drugs on them.
 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
You realize that the vast majority of cops are big time gun nuts, correct? You think they spend their time thinking about how to enforce guns laws and take away normal people's guns?
The news report you posted said nothing about cops, or their preferences.
The police and the military are two of the last major institutions in the US where the mid and lower levels are on the "good" side. Yet people here demand that we abandon the last institutions that aren't completely sold out.
Individual police have a wide discretion on how they want to enforce the law as they go about their shift. Sure, if a direct order comes down from above, they will enforce the order. But that isn't how a cops day operates 99.9% of the time. Just wait until cops have been replaced by social workers and the right wing will see exactly how enforcement of the law changes. Pick up trucks with USA flags are going to be pulled over for random or made up infractions rather than black males. Middle aged men who look like they might be concealed carrying are going to have their papers checked rather than young males who look like they might have drugs on them.
Stonewall, spot on.

Paul Howe, The Delta Force reference who provided Mark Bowden a large amount of his information regarding the battle of Mogadishu, had a great article about how gun confiscation, and what agencies might have the ability to do so, and the impracticality/impossibility of such action.

 

Easy_C

Crow
So they’re “gun nuts”.

Great. That means absolutely nothing for the big picture if they’re willing to go out and enforce anti gun laws and other leftist edicts on the 99% of people who aren’t cops.

And how is this playing out during the riots?
The impact is HUGE. One major reason nobody is reacting to riots is that the police are more than willing to arrest and charge people who defend themselves and let the rioters go.

If I was wrong the police would have just stood down and said that people should take care of the problem themselves.
 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
So they’re “gun nuts”.

Great. That means absolutely nothing for the big picture if they’re willing to go out and enforce anti gun laws and other leftist edicts on the 99% of people who aren’t cops.

And how is this playing out during the riots?
The impact is HUGE. One major reason nobody is reacting to riots is that the police are more than willing to arrest and charge people who defend themselves and let the rioters go.

If I was wrong the police would have just stood down and said that people should take care of the problem themselves.
I dont think this is fully accurate. Many rioters are arrested repeatedly and not charged with anything by Soros funded District Attorneys. The fellow who was later killed by the US Marshalls after shooting the Trump supporter, had been arrested previously and released. In the case of referencing Kyle Rittenhouse/the McCloskey's/the Ohama Vet who killed himself last week ect.... here again the politically elected officials funded by ((())) as the reason we are seeing political violence against Constitutionally sound cases of self defense.
 

RWIsrael

Woodpecker
So they’re “gun nuts”.

Great. That means absolutely nothing for the big picture if they’re willing to go out and enforce anti gun laws and other leftist edicts on the 99% of people who aren’t cops.

And how is this playing out during the riots?
The impact is HUGE. One major reason nobody is reacting to riots is that the police are more than willing to arrest and charge people who defend themselves and let the rioters go.

If I was wrong the police would have just stood down and said that people should take care of the problem themselves.

I've not heard of any police officer or Law Enforcement official / leadership quitting and sacrificing their career and pension to stand up for the second amendment or to protest an injustice done to Joe Citizen.
Gun nuts or not, they will do their jobs, at most they may drag their feet on enforcement. Many of these "gun nuts" believe that they and no one else should have guns because of police training, safety concerns and believing the average citizen is an idiot.

If you want to see how police will behave on gun rights, see how they behave on Coronavirus and mask wearing enforcement. The officer's personal beliefs have nothing to do with it.
 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
I've not heard of any police officer or Law Enforcement official / leadership quitting and sacrificing their career and pension to stand up for the second amendment or to protest an injustice done to Joe Citizen.
Gun nuts or not, they will do their jobs, at most they may drag their feet on enforcement. Many of these "gun nuts" believe that they and no one else should have guns because of police training, safety concerns and believing the average citizen is an idiot.

If you want to see how police will behave on gun rights, see how they behave on Coronavirus and mask wearing enforcement. The officer's personal beliefs have nothing to do with it.

I see comments like this and I generally question how much exposure folks have to police officers outside of the occasional traffic stop. I am not a cop, but spend a lot of time with cops through connections via the Marine Corps as well as family members who are police..

Here again, I would not use the broad brush to paint police in Democrat cities/states as indicative of the entirety of Policing in the US. Who do you think is teaching people how to have a concealed carry license? There are absolutely cops who have the mentality you are describing. They all tend to hail from the major Dem cities (LA/Chicago/DC ect...)

Most cops don't want to write tickets over Carona Virus laws. They certainly will if you act like an asshole... but especially in the world we live in where police are openly attacked, this is one less thing they are invested in. They'd much rather catch thieves, rapists, assault crimes ect...

Many Police Union Presidents have completely condemned the Carona Virus enforcement. There were 6 counties in Texas that outright said they will not enforce the statewide mask order here in Texas. So I could just as easily apply the same logic to cite 6 counties in Texas and say "Cops wont enforce Carona Virus Laws" nationally based off a subsampling in heavily Republican areas.
 

Easy_C

Crow
More than most of you. I’ve been an “advisor” for international law enforcement organizations and still have some ties to that community.

It’s quite a few. The way one of my old instructors put it: about 1/3 each are “keep my community safe” ideology driven, “muh pensions” people who don’t really care and just want their pay and benefits, and bullies who joined because they want to be able to legally bully and beat up people.

The latter two groups absolutely will enforce crazy leftist mandates

No, it’s not just “blue cities”.

 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
So supposing a gun confiscation occurs, who do you think is going to come get our guns unless we surrender them of our own volition?

The reality is that it is logistically impossible for our government to disarm the population except for by their on volunteering. We have a huge population of combat veterans, contractors, and firearms educated civilians...probably more now than we have ever had in our nation's history.

UN? Nope... UN coming to the US to take guns will basically result in citizens shooting blue hat gun grabbelers.

Military? Nope... there may be a few rogue elements that would be willing to do so. (and i am not using the Katrina example as the likelihood for the nation because that is absurd) Civilian withdrawal of support for these military institutions would collapse the bases.

Feds? Nope: mass raids aren't logistically feasible. 3 or 4 raids a day in a major area will burn out the Feds. Especially considering some of those gun owners will be shooting back... attrition isn't on the side of the Feds. Additionally, the Feds have fixed locations/offices, and they too have families that live in a community, so here again, we are in the predicament listed above about local support.

Local police would either seize or ignore. Here again, you would be resulting in the same issues as above of becoming targets in the community. They don't want to do shit they don't have to, and are going to by and large ignore this. Similar to the Marijuana laws... some cops will enforce if you're acting like an ass... but most don't give a shit about your weed.

The cop in the above video is def acting out of line based on the presentation of the video. That being said, if anything in the last several months has been demonstrated about 3rd party police video, its that taking a single angle video with out the entirety of the story is probably to going to get the whole story out. It looks like that whole video is a shitshow and the woman didnt do anything wrong. If that's the case, she will sue the city and the cop will be reprimanded/charged ect as expected.

When Cops break the law or do things crooked it gets blown up in a public spectacle at almost every opportunity. Here in Houston we have several police officers shot on a drug raid gone bad, with supposedly bad intel about the substances in the house where several cops were shot. 2 police officers have been charged, and will likely result in both of them seeing jail if convicted.
 

Easy_C

Crow
You don’t actually need a mass confiscation. Red Flag laws allow you to target individual dissidents or small groups of them at a time if for some reason you perceive them as a threat.

Alternatively you enact a system where everyone flagged with a firearm is forced to turn it in by a certain deadline. If you don’t all of your financial assets in the now cashless society are frozen until you are marked in the system as compliant and you’re unable to pay for food and shelter until you yield.
 

Pendleton

Kingfisher
So supposing a gun confiscation occurs, who do you think is going to come get our guns unless we surrender them of our own volition?

The reality is that it is logistically impossible for our government to disarm the population except for by their on volunteering. We have a huge population of combat veterans, contractors, and firearms educated civilians...probably more now than we have ever had in our nation's history.

UN? Nope... UN coming to the US to take guns will basically result in citizens shooting blue hat gun grabbelers.

Military? Nope... there may be a few rogue elements that would be willing to do so. (and i am not using the Katrina example as the likelihood for the nation because that is absurd) Civilian withdrawal of support for these military institutions would collapse the bases.

Feds? Nope: mass raids aren't logistically feasible. 3 or 4 raids a day in a major area will burn out the Feds. Especially considering some of those gun owners will be shooting back... attrition isn't on the side of the Feds. Additionally, the Feds have fixed locations/offices, and they too have families that live in a community, so here again, we are in the predicament listed above about local support.

Local police would either seize or ignore. Here again, you would be resulting in the same issues as above of becoming targets in the community. They don't want to do shit they don't have to, and are going to by and large ignore this. Similar to the Marijuana laws... some cops will enforce if you're acting like an ass... but most don't give a shit about your weed.

The cop in the above video is def acting out of line based on the presentation of the video. That being said, if anything in the last several months has been demonstrated about 3rd party police video, its that taking a single angle video with out the entirety of the story is probably to going to get the whole story out. It looks like that whole video is a shitshow and the woman didnt do anything wrong. If that's the case, she will sue the city and the cop will be reprimanded/charged ect as expected.

When Cops break the law or do things crooked it gets blown up in a public spectacle at almost every opportunity. Here in Houston we have several police officers shot on a drug raid gone bad, with supposedly bad intel about the substances in the house where several cops were shot. 2 police officers have been charged, and will likely result in both of them seeing jail if convicted.

They won't need to do a confiscation. How many countries that banned guns engaged in door-to-door gun confiscations? They will regulate manufacturers and retailers out of business and subject them to civil suits. They will ban "assault" weapons and then gradually expand it to other firearms. They will impose strict licensing requirements. They will encourage people to voluntarily turn in their guns. They will railroad anyone using guns in self-defense through the legal system.

In a generation or two, gun ownership goes from common practice to niche hobby to something only done by a tiny fringe minority. Then a blanket ban becomes feasible. Look at how much access to firearms and ammo has been reduced just due to COVID and panic buying. Government could easily impose even greater restrictions on supply. You aren't going to have a large, well-trained gun owning population after a decade or two of there being a year long waits to get guns and ammo going for several dollars per round, a situation government could easily create.

These are the same people that turned the US population into third world migrants over 30-40 years. They are happy to gradually get their way over a few decades.
 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
They won't need to do a confiscation. How many countries that banned guns engaged in door-to-door gun confiscations? They will regulate manufacturers and retailers out of business and subject them to civil suits. They will ban "assault" weapons and then gradually expand it to other firearms. They will impose strict licensing requirements. They will encourage people to voluntarily turn in their guns. They will railroad anyone using guns in self-defense through the legal system.

In a generation or two, gun ownership goes from common practice to niche hobby to something only done by a tiny fringe minority. Then a blanket ban becomes feasible. Look at how much access to firearms and ammo has been reduced just due to COVID and panic buying. Government could easily impose even greater restrictions on supply. You aren't going to have a large, well-trained gun owning population after a decade or two of there being a year long waits to get guns and ammo going for several dollars per round, a situation government could easily create.

These are the same people that turned the US population into third world migrants over 30-40 years. They are happy to gradually get their way over a few decades.


I never said there wasn't a concerted attack on our 2A rights. Reference why the southern district of NY is going after the NRA, Red Flag Laws, ect ...

My point is that the police aren't going to be the ones conducting confiscation raids.
 

MRAll134

Kingfisher
A black police officer in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin has been charged with a third killing and might be let go tomorrow. Businesses are boarding up, in case of unrest:

'We expect unrest:' Wauwatosa awaits decision in Alvin Cole shooting

Wauwatosa City Hall and the Wauwatosa Public Library will close early Wednesday, Oct. 7, and the Wauwatosa School District is moving to virtual instruction ahead of an expected announcement from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office on whether to file criminal charges against Wauwatosa Police Officer Joseph Mensah, who has killed three people in five years, the first two shootings ruled justified....

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Story: https://www.fox6now.com/news/we-expect-unrest-wauwatosa-awaits-decision-in-alvin-cole-shooting
 

get2choppaaa

Woodpecker
A black police officer in Wauwatosa, Wisconsin has been charged with a third killing and might be let go tomorrow. Businesses are boarding up, in case of unrest:

'We expect unrest:' Wauwatosa awaits decision in Alvin Cole shooting

Wauwatosa City Hall and the Wauwatosa Public Library will close early Wednesday, Oct. 7, and the Wauwatosa School District is moving to virtual instruction ahead of an expected announcement from the Milwaukee County District Attorney's Office on whether to file criminal charges against Wauwatosa Police Officer Joseph Mensah, who has killed three people in five years, the first two shootings ruled justified....

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Story: https://www.fox6now.com/news/we-expect-unrest-wauwatosa-awaits-decision-in-alvin-cole-shooting
So the entire city is held ransom over speculation about what might have happened when a 17 year old in possession of a firearm gets into a confrontation with police and gets killed. I suppose there is no purpose for a grand jury to determine indictment... What a crock of shit.

Weak leadership at every level. You don't get to loot because of the hands up don't shoot hoax being pushed by the family. If the killing was unjustified, the cop is gonna fry... But I bet this one goes w/out charges too.
 

Dr. Howard

Peacock
Gold Member
You don’t actually need a mass confiscation. Red Flag laws allow you to target individual dissidents or small groups of them at a time if for some reason you perceive them as a threat.

Alternatively you enact a system where everyone flagged with a firearm is forced to turn it in by a certain deadline. If you don’t all of your financial assets in the now cashless society are frozen until you are marked in the system as compliant and you’re unable to pay for food and shelter until you yield.

I agree with this, and I also agree that red flag laws are still going to be enforced regardless of if a municipal police force is liberal or conservative. The reason being that red flag laws and other gun restrictions mainly reside under the force of "domestic abuse" and "believe all women" and in that regards all police forces are still totally warped.

You can see it in all of the gay high heel walks etc. that still occur all over the place. That brainwashing is firmly cemented.

I saw it in a mega conservative southern county that I used to live in. The sheriff is conservative and the mayor is a libertarian, they have come out against all coronavirus mask laws as well as any indications government wide second amendment restrictions...but time and time again when a local woman conveniently files a restraining order or domestic abuse allegation in concert with a petition for divorce the man gets red flagged, all weapons are confiscated and its his burden to prove his innocence and then jump through the hoops to get his weapons back.

To put it another way, they can see the forest but not the trees. The slow individual erosion of rights versus a civil war or sweeping federal laws is what will get even the conservatives in the end.
 
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