The Trump Policy Thread

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Arado

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I think the rise of China is the greatest geopolitical challenge the US will face over the next ten to twenty years. Granted most candidates haven't talked about it, but Trump mainly talks about China in terms of their currency manipulation (which is incorrect anyway - China actually is taking measures to prop up the RMB, not keep it undervalued, they know that if it falls too much then they'll face even more capital flight) or tariffs.

But what about China's aggression in the south China sea? What do we do if China tries to retake Taiwan? Alot of people are criticizing John Kasich for being a warmonger in Asia but are we really prepared to cede Asia to Chinese hegemony? How can Trump bring back our sense of pride if China is able to dominate Asia?

What about China's establishment of the AIIB (which is basically a big FU to the US led world financial order)?

Or the fact that Chinese exports, and increasingly Chinese tech exports, are competing with American products throughout all markets in the world?

They are now the largest trading partners of a good chunk of the world's countries and own lots of our debt (and are in the process of diversifying). They have tremendous leverage.

Even if we do tax the shit out of Chinese imports to the US, most manufacturers in China are increasingly focused on selling to the Chinese market or exporting to other developing countries

No one has really thought seriously about the rise of China and I'm curious to see how a nationalist/realist like Trump deals with them. For the last two Administrations we've had mainly a liberal attitude - trying to get Chinese to open up their markets but ignoring the fact that as China gets richer they funnel more money into their military and undermining US leadership in the world. We've always thought that as China gets more internationalized, they would become democratic and more like us. Hasn't happened though.

One of the most prominent realist scholars these days is John Mearsheimer (http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/can-china-rise-peacefully-10204) and many of his positions would probably align with Trump (skepticism of Israeli alliance, acknowledging that the West was somewhat at fault in Ukraine). Mearsheimer says that China is basically our enemy and we have to do all we can to prevent their rise in order to maintain US geopolitical advantage, even if it harms US growth in the short term. Will Trump take this position?

If so, it makes no sense for Trump to go after Japan on trade and paying for troops there - they are our principle partner in containing China.

He would also have to reconsider his opposition to TPP, which is partly designed to create favorable conditions for US exporters and exclude China from increasing trade ties with its neighbors.

On another note,

Do you guys think it's a smart move for Trump not to talk about his foreign policy inner circle? I don't see the harm in mentioning someone like Mearsheimer, or even talking about a scholar that he admires (like Samuel Huntington or any other scholar that's both respected but also challenges the neocons and SJWs). By naming some scholars, thinkers, or professionals that he listens to it will at least help people understand him a bit better. Or perhaps I'm wrong and it's all part of his strategy to get more attention and piss people off.
 

Wutang

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From the main Trump thread:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-meeting-with-the-washington-post/?tid=sm_tw

"Trump said that U.S. involvement in NATO may need to be significantly diminished in the coming years, breaking with nearly seven decades of consensus in Washington. "We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore," Trump said, adding later, "NATO is costing us a fortune, and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money."

Trump sounded a similar note in discussing the U.S. presence in the Pacific. He questioned the value of massive military investments in Asia and wondered aloud whether the United States still was capable of being an effective peacekeeping force there."

Be sure to show this to anyone who thinks Trump is going to be getting us into another war. The one lazy, kneejerk reaction I hear about him that's close to be as annoying as the constant Hitler comparisons would be the silly claim that he's going to start World War 3.
 

Enoch

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Logically explaining to someone that Trump is not Hitler is a waste of breath. By coming to that conclusion they have already demonstrated themself to be an irrational human being. Logic and reason will not work on this person.
 

Paracelsus

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Wutang said:
From the main Trump thread:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...n-meeting-with-the-washington-post/?tid=sm_tw

"Trump said that U.S. involvement in NATO may need to be significantly diminished in the coming years, breaking with nearly seven decades of consensus in Washington. "We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore," Trump said, adding later, "NATO is costing us a fortune, and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money."

Trump sounded a similar note in discussing the U.S. presence in the Pacific. He questioned the value of massive military investments in Asia and wondered aloud whether the United States still was capable of being an effective peacekeeping force there."

Be sure to show this to anyone who thinks Trump is going to be getting us into another war. The one lazy, kneejerk reaction I hear about him that's close to be as annoying as the constant Hitler comparisons would be the silly claim that he's going to start World War 3.

I would characterise those statements as not really being pacifist or isolationist, but rather more to do with forcing the US's allies to pay more of their share for the US's assistance. NATO in essence is the US Armed Forces, European Branch. It sounds like the 70 year US subsidy of the West's armed forces is about to be re-evaluated.

In one sense, this would be rather like the Mexican Wall: if you want the US protecting your welfare state, you're going to have to pay for the privilege.

Howver, I was wondering if indeed Trump's policy might cause military tensions to rise around the world, as follows. This is a Devil's Advocate line of reasoning, so please present arguments on this subject if I'm missing a link in the chain or something.

If the US were to go down the route of pulling back from Europe and Asia, I can foresee further Balkanisation of regional powers and a fair amount of re-arming across the world. Not having the US supporting them means individual countries have to start spending bigger proportions of their budgets on defence. Britain has to upgrade its airforce again. Germany (if it doesn't tear itself apart) has to increase the size of its military. Japan's "Self Defence" Force would probably be entirely relieved of its restrictions against China with a more isolationist US.

In this scenario, the Spratleys issue is likely to either be resolved by everyone rolling over to China or a regional dispute that could get bloody, since the threat of the US getting involved is about the only thing keeping China from wholesale going to town over there.

On one hand, this would generate some artificial economic activity across the world since all that money is getting spent, but it may well invite more regional conflicts. The one I worry about most is Poland: Germany and Russia have continually walked over it over the past four hundred years or so on the way to fight each other, and Poland is about the easternmost member of NATO. And to the Putin fans out there: Putin's not going to be around forever. What if he's replaced by someone even more hardline and expansionist?
 
Let's say Trump imposes a tariff on imported Chinese goods. Is there enough incentive for those offshored companies to return and set up shop in the States? For all they know, Trump could be a one term president and the US could be back to the same agreement as before after 4 years of Trump.

Is the American market that enticing to a company such as Apple that even with a lowered corporate tax rate, it would be worth coming back?
 

Paracelsus

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younggun said:
Let's say Trump imposes a tariff on imported Chinese goods. Is there enough incentive for those offshored companies to return and set up shop in the States? For all they know, Trump could be a one term president and the US could be back to the same agreement as before after 4 years of Trump.

Is the American market that enticing to a company such as Apple that even with a lowered corporate tax rate, it would be worth coming back?

You have to hit the point of where the cost/benefit analysis swings in favour of remaining in the US as opposed to overseas. For further discussion in depth, try Samseau's thread about free trade in this same subforum, several of the posters go into detail about the sort of shenanigans countries engage in to manipulate currency.

For my part, I suspect tariffs alone and a lowered corporate tax rate would not turn the US economy around or necessarily bring these businesses back. The US economy in essence requires something similar to the German Wirtschaftwunder after World War 2, and that could only take place with the sort of deregulated environment that no living US citizen has ever seen or experienced.
 
Random thoughts:

1. I'm so excited for Trump's tax plan. The middle-upper class who's income is primarily wages gets FUCKED HARD on taxes. Make a 100k pre-tax? This is how much the feds take out roughly for a single person:

Federal Withholding: $19,272.75

Social Security: $6,200.00

Medicare: $1,450.00

All told: Around $27,000/year. That's just the federal government. Usually people who make this sort of money have years of experience, education, and often have to live in expensive places.

All the while some single mom with two bastards who makes 40-50k after EIC and child tax credits pays virtually nothing to the gov't or actually comes out ahead more often than not.

So basically: the 100k single dude trying to build wealth to start a family is losing 27k a year while someone who likely made poor decisions in life is getting a family funded by the 100K dude's sacrifice and hard work? That's fucking gay. I'm not against helping people in need; I'm against incentivizing poor decisions (ex: having kids when you can't afford it) at the expense of people who make good decisions.

I'll never vote for a libtard since every single one of them thinks that some guy making around 100k is the devil and deserves to be taxed more (means test social security, higher taxes, more benefits for people who don't pay, etc). A guy making a 100 million? Yeah, I get it. But the middle-upper class people in this country are getting fucked really hard. Pay most of the taxes and get none of the benefits.

2. I doubt I will see it pre-election but I'd love it if Trump proposed clear and simple fixed caps on divorce settlements and child support; the latter of which is proportional to a person's income THAT MONTH; not income from a year ago.

I will not even consider having a family in the US until someone addresses this. The current system makes the financial risk of having a family way too unpredictable for a sole or higher earning provider. Today, it's basically:

Don't have family and save money or have family and risk getting wiped out financially by ex-wife/gf and child support. The only middle ground somewhat is have kids and don't get married but one can still get fucked hard on child support if they make decent money. I don't like rigged games when it comes to my hard earned wealth.

3. Trump's plan to give veterans medicare access for outside VA care is a brilliant and simple fix to a serious problem. I'm a veteran, have dealt with the VA, and I can say with absolute authority that the VA is one of the most dysfunctional organizations I have ever dealt with. The most simple of things, stuff that should take half a day, can take months to sort out. I would be absolutely terrified if I had to depend on them for a serious medical issue; dealing with the bureaucracy alone is a full-time job in its self and the quality of care is not up to private sector standards at all. There are some good people working there but the organization is functionally broken.
 
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