The TV Series Thread

renotime

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No.


I thought it was an apt analogy.


Many shows and movies have inverted the good and the bad. Prime example - in Dexter, they have us rooting for a serial killer.


I'm aware, I've watched both series including Breaking Bad.

I get that Jews have been a thorn on the world here and there, especially those pesky Israelis, but I doubt the writers are going for that symbolism. Jimmy isn't actually Jewish and neither is Kim or Walter White.

The biggest scumbag on the show is obviously Lalo, who his probably Catholic, not that it's relevant. Of course the guy it totally charming and smooth, being a sociopath and all.

To me the theme of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that people make morally tough choices to get ahead and sometimes it has unintended consequences, the last episode being a prime example.

Don't worry though, I think Jimmy will get his at some point.
 

renotime

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I mean he survived breaking bad and all the future cinnabon relocation stuff so far.

Going from big time cartel lawyer to cinnabon manager in Omaha isn't exactly a win. I remember one episode as manager Jimmy takes out the trash and the door shuts behind him. Instead of opening the door and letting the alarm go off he waits 2 hours until someone comes. Some event(s) has broken this dude that he now plays totally by the rules.

And remember there are some people in Better Call Saul, but not Breaking Bad.
 

inthefade

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Going from big time cartel lawyer to cinnabon manager in Omaha isn't exactly a win. I remember one episode as manager Jimmy takes out the trash and the door shuts behind him. Instead of opening the door and letting the alarm go off he waits 2 hours until someone comes. Some event(s) has broken this dude that he now plays totally by the rules.

And remember there are some people in Better Call Saul, but not Breaking Bad.
Yes
 

The Penitent Man

Pelican
Protestant
I get that Jews have been a thorn on the world here and there, especially those pesky Israelis, but I doubt the writers are going for that symbolism. Jimmy isn't actually Jewish and neither is Kim or Walter White.

The biggest scumbag on the show is obviously Lalo, who his probably Catholic, not that it's relevant. Of course the guy it totally charming and smooth, being a sociopath and all.

To me the theme of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that people make morally tough choices to get ahead and sometimes it has unintended consequences, the last episode being a prime example.

Don't worry though, I think Jimmy will get his at some point.
I never looked at it from GuitarVH’s perspective before his comment but it’s an interesting observation. I’m certain the writers didn’t intend that but it’s a new way to view it.

One thing I disagree with is the claim that the show(s) tries to portray the bad characters in a positive light and vice versa. Breaking Bad went to great lengths to depict Walter White as a petty, selfish, and morally weak man whose character became increasingly evident every time he faced adversity. He was never sold as a good man, only a weak one whose latent evil blossomed at the first chance Walter had to mask his thrill seeking opportunism and pride as concern for his family. By the end of the show I was rooting for the demise of a man responsible for countless deaths and who sacrificed his marriage, newborn child, and crippled son to satiate his ego.

Howard was spot on in the concession speech he gave in the apartment. Jimmy and Kim are both just bad seeds like White. They had an inexplicable hatred for Howard that they justified because of minor offenses to their swollen pride. Howard was actually portrayed sympathetically as his character developed, having handled the multitude of attacks from the duo with professionalism and poise and humbly making a “peace” offering to reconcile with his nasty wife. The bizarre measures Jimmy and his nasty wife took just to destroy the guy’s career make GuitarVH’s analogy amusing to think about.

Overall Jimmy has been a less destructive character than Walter White but similarly malignant in his own way. I’m sure the writers have a fitting end for him in mind.
 

SensibleUlan

 
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I get that Jews have been a thorn on the world here and there, especially those pesky Israelis, but I doubt the writers are going for that symbolism. Jimmy isn't actually Jewish and neither is Kim or Walter White.

The biggest scumbag on the show is obviously Lalo, who his probably Catholic, not that it's relevant. Of course the guy it totally charming and smooth, being a sociopath and all.

To me the theme of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that people make morally tough choices to get ahead and sometimes it has unintended consequences, the last episode being a prime example.

Don't worry though, I think Jimmy will get his at some point.
Hmmm, there's the people in BB that ripped off Walter White of a patent or business opportunity who he got to pay him or Jesse back that are pretty much Jewish characters. He had the ideas and they ripped him off and kicked him out of the company.
 

SensibleUlan

 
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He didn't get ripped off of anything. He sold his shares early to get the money asap rather than wait for the company to grow.
He sold his shares early because it was engineered that way by the other two, to dive deeper - he was basically seduced/bewitched by Gretchin which allowed her husband and her to guilt him so. That's pretty much what happened if you listen to what Walter White says to Jesse and his later scenes with them.

TLDR ; They got him to do the foundation work, then connived to get rid of him. I've seen this happen IRL too btw.
 

inthefade

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Orthodox Inquirer
That's pretty much what happened if you listen to what Walter White says to Jesse and his later scenes with them.
Interesting. This is news to me and I've watched the series many times. I know walter SAYS he got ripped off, but I always thought he was just being a whiny gamma and over exaggerating.

edit: interview with vince gillian says: (as expected, walter was being a gamma)
“I think it was kind of situation where he didn’t realize the girl he was about to marry was so very wealthy and came from such a prominent family, and it kind of blew his mind and made him feel inferior and he overreacted. He just kind of checked out. I think there is that whole other side to the story, and it can be gleaned. This isn’t really the CliffsNotes version so much. These facts can be gleaned if you watch some of these scenes really closely enough, and you watch them without too much of an overriding bias toward Walt and against Gretchen and Elliott."
 

renotime

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Hmmm, there's the people in BB that ripped off Walter White of a patent or business opportunity who he got to pay him or Jesse back that are pretty much Jewish characters. He had the ideas and they ripped him off and kicked him out of the company.

I can't remember what happened, but I don't think that couple was Jewish either. That guy's were certainly bigger than his nose. Surprised they didn't cause him to fly away.

Walt's ego is ultimately what did him in. That couple offered to pay for his treatment, but his pride wouldn't let him accept it.

To frame Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad as Jews vs Christians is pretty ridiculous, in my opinion.
 

Maddox

Kingfisher
Protestant
Late to the party, I checked out the first couple of episodes to Ozarks and I'm pleasantly surprised. It's not the normal type of show I'd choose to watch but the writing is very good and the premise is original and interesting.

I did spot a couple of scenes where they injected their Leftist propaganda, but nothing too much to ruin the show.
 

renotime

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Catholic
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That's not what I said. My analogy was related specifically to how Saul and Kim were treating Howard. Howard is generally upright and tries to do the right thing while Saul/Kim do everything to tear him down because they hate righteousness.

So because they try to tear him down that makes them Jews? Seems like a bit of a stretch. And if we're gonna go that route Howard is kind of Jewish himself. His dad is the other H at HHM. We all know how Jews like to keep things in the tribe.

I actually came to sympathize with Howard towards the end, while not exactly liking the guy. He was always articulate, polite, and maintained a calm demeanor. The moment he finally lost his cool and deviated from his normal behavior is the moment he lost everything.

I guess there's a lesson on life in there somewhere.
 

Maddox

Kingfisher
Protestant
Late to the party, I checked out the first couple of episodes to Ozarks and I'm pleasantly surprised. It's not the normal type of show I'd choose to watch but the writing is very good and the premise is original and interesting.

I did spot a couple of scenes where they injected their Leftist propaganda, but nothing too much to ruin the show.

Ugh...I spoke too soon. I'm up to episode 5 now and the faggotry is already in your face. What a shame as it's a really good series that already has its hooks in me. Jason Bateman is very impressive in his role.
 

Philip Dru

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Trad Catholic
For those interested in a historical action series that the whole family can watch, I recommend Ertugrul. This Turkish series depicts the founding of the Ottoman empire. Despite featuring Templars as the prime enemy, the values are on point. Not a single kiss out of wedlock. Clear depictions of traditional values and compelling characters. This is something the children can watch to educate them that the Muslims are not the boogeymen we were propagandized to believe.
 

Kiwi

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I get that Jews have been a thorn on the world here and there, especially those pesky Israelis, but I doubt the writers are going for that symbolism. Jimmy isn't actually Jewish and neither is Kim or Walter White.

The biggest scumbag on the show is obviously Lalo, who his probably Catholic, not that it's relevant. Of course the guy it totally charming and smooth, being a sociopath and all.

To me the theme of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that people make morally tough choices to get ahead and sometimes it has unintended consequences, the last episode being a prime example.

Don't worry though, I think Jimmy will get his at some point.

Lalo is my favourite character i've seen in a long time. Each time he's on screen he nails that role. It's really added something to BCS which was lagging there for a while, moving pretty slowly. I'm glad things have ramped up now.


I agree about the theme of both shows but I also think the writers do a good job of defining certain moments where you can see the character clearly cross the line after a series of small, but slow building "grey" decisions, which allows viewers to relate somewhat and continues to build tension. The last thing you want is the character to do something so brazen that you immediately switch your opinion, and turn off. You go along for the ride, and almost become empathetic.

A defining moment would be Jesse shooting someone for example. Also when Kim turned the car around to help Jimmy reshoot the video that was another literal fork in the road I think.
 
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