The Unabomber thread

RE: Is the unabomber right?

Pre-internet we had to rely on academics going berserk to tell us something is wrong with society. Today, anyone can access the info that used to be the dominion of smart people.

That being said, he's probably onto something.
 

RockHard

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Is the unabomber right?

The Amish have many of the same core beliefs.

Any nut can make sense some of the time. You could ask was the nutjob who knifed his roommates and then shot a couple chicks in Santa Barbara right? No, of course not. Did he have a few valid points in his manifesto? Sure.

Careful where you get your philosophy, a few valid points might lead you down a bad path.
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
RE: Is the unabomber right?

He was definitely right about a lot, regardless of what he did after writing his manifesto. From wiki:

In his opening and closing sections, Kaczynski addresses Leftism as a movement and analyzes the psychology of leftists, arguing that they are "True Believers in Eric Hoffer's sense" who participate in powerful social movements to compensate for their insecurity and feelings of inferiority:

When someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. This tendency is pronounced among minority rights advocates, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. They are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities. ... Those who are most sensitive about "politically incorrect" terminology are not the average black ghetto-dweller, Asian immigrant, abused woman or disabled person, but a minority of activists, many of whom do not even belong to any "oppressed" group but come from privileged strata of society. Political correctness has its stronghold among university professors, who have secure employment with comfortable salaries, and the majority of whom are heterosexual, white males from middle-class families.

Edit: Roosh wrote an article about him here.
 

defguy

Woodpecker
Gold Member
RE: Is the unabomber right?

All speculation of course but I think he was so socially aware with his 200+ IQ that he realized no one would take him serious unless he did something drastic... Look at how many people have read Mein Kampf and various other stories written by or about Notorious Criminals. A small part of me thinks with his genius IQ he could have figured a way to spread his message without resorting to drastic measures but I have trouble wrapping my head around how... Now we live in a different time with Social Media, the next "unabomber" could be a social media demagogue.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Is the unabomber right?

He was a typical dumb smartguy, following arguments robotically to their logical conclusions, playing God.

I would rather go down with the ship than be the guy sending bombs to people I don't know, not caring about who gets killed unintentionally, righteous in my syllogisms.

Most of us understand this instinctively.

You're stuck in your head, Ted, that's it, breathe, you have a gut down there that needs listening to as well.

Feel the tension in your shoulders.

Here, sniff this lavender pillow.

The deep tissue therapist is on her way.
 

Kid Twist

Hummingbird
RE: Is the unabomber right?

defguy said:
All speculation of course but I think he was so socially aware with his 200+ IQ that he realized no one would take him serious unless he did something drastic... Look at how many people have read Mein Kampf and various other stories written by or about Notorious Criminals. A small part of me thinks with his genius IQ he could have figured a way to spread his message without resorting to drastic measures but I have trouble wrapping my head around how... Now we live in a different time with Social Media, the next "unabomber" could be a social media demagogue.

What you're getting at is funny ... he needed the technology he so protested against to get people the wake the fuck up

What irony.
 

Kid Twist

Hummingbird
RE: Is the unabomber right?

debeguiled said:
He was a typical dumb smartguy, following arguments robotically to their logical conclusions, playing God.

I would rather go down with the ship than be the guy sending bombs to people I don't know, not caring about who gets killed unintentionally, righteous in my syllogisms.

Most of us understand this instinctively.

You're stuck in your head, Ted, that's it, breathe, you have a gut down there that needs listening to as well.

Feel the tension in your shoulders.

Here, sniff this lavender pillow.

The deep tissue therapist is on her way.

Weird but funny, db

I'm coming to the end of a period where I even bother "telling" people, apart from those I love or know me very well, any of these things that we realize and talk about at high levels.

Whether it's SJW crap to wade through or those that never thought outside the box of why the modern age has huge huge problems, after this election I'm not even bothering with these deluded idiots. I'll just smile, move on and know that they are clueless drones. It's not even worth giving them any entertainment, because that's what they are looking for, another right with reality.

What's funny is that along the way I thought I had a chance to "make a difference (queue violin solo)." You can't with the close minded or mentally challenged.
 

Easy_C

Peacock
RE: Is the unabomber right?

debeguiled said:
He was a typical dumb smartguy, following arguments robotically to their logical conclusions, playing God.

That is a good way of putting it. I have noticed that a lot of mass/serial killer types seem to fall into that pattern. They are often very perceptive and intelligent, so they notice aspects to society that most people miss. What they get wrong however is that for whatever reason they have a laser beam focus on the negative aspects. They miss both positive aspects to things as well as the emotional maturity to focus on managing the negativity that they let into their own lives.

Just look at the whole Elliot Roger thing. He correctly perceived how fucked up male-female relations are in the US(exponentially more so in the Yuppie CA area he lived in )....but most of us when we got that frustrated would, rather than self destruct, use that energy to do something like go visit some "sauna clubs" in Germany or channel that energy into the gym and at least getting something.
 

EDantes

Pelican
RE: Is the unabomber right?

I think he was right in some ways, though his radical way of going about trying to change this was insane. Essentially his belief seems to be that humans were best off before civilization in a state of natural order and that technology and civilization has destroyed this.

I recommend checking out John Zerzan's philosophy - it honestly fits in a with a lot with the "red pill" worldview, in the sense that modernity has distorted nature in many ways, such as creating a society in which men are punished just for being men, and in which the natural state of relationships and the family unit has been distorted by supplementing the male provider with a welfare state.

In all honesty the worldview seems more similar to Jack Donovan than to typical "far leftists", and in some ways ties in even with conservatism of the more "romanticist" variety, versus the neoconservative variety.
 

urbannomad

Woodpecker
RE: Is the unabomber right?

Well, it looks like ole Ted is going to be validated. He was a man before the times, talk about the smartest guy in the room

Netflix have a series called Manhunt about Kaczynski
 

questor70

Ostrich
RE: Is the unabomber right?

Look up Derrick Jensen. He's basically the unabomber without having actually followed through on his extremist rhetoric. The worst part about Jensen is he goes around the college circuit advocating people blow up dams and cell phone towers. He also published a children's book advocating this form of ecoterrorism.


You have to understand that extremism leads to strange bedfellows. At some point extreme left and right meet in the middle as far as both sides harboring a strong hatred of the status quo. What they hate may be different, but it's still hate.

When hate meets a desire for personal glory, that's when you wind up with Unabomber or Travis Bickle types.

It's important for anyone on the red pill spectrum to be careful not to lose yourself in a cycle of hatred because you'll wind up hurting people (including yourself).
 

Fortis

Crow
Gold Member
RE: Is the unabomber right?

No, he was not right. He sent bombs to college campuses and harmed student and faculty members who had nothing to do with his rants.

The sad part about the Unabomber is that had he just published his treatise without bombing people, he could have possibly made an impact. He had/has a formidable intellect and wasted it making bombs and killing people.

:facepalm:
 
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