The Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Divide thread

budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
This thread is to discuss and post topics & news related to unvaccinated groups of people who are being targeted, segregated, etc. for not taking the vaccination jab nor providing proof of COVID vaccination card/passport. Lately, there has been many stories and news about the vaccinated-unvaccinated divide that are happening now - i.e., sports games, high school, military, etc.

To start off with, unvaccinated New Hampshire's high school kids were being treated like they were sent to a gulag camp.

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Report: Unvaccinated Students ‘Numbered’ with Sharpie and Tracked at High School Prom​

Unvaccinated students attending the Exeter, New Hampshire, high school prom were “numbered” with a sharpie pen and then tracked throughout the evening, a New Hampshire parental rights advocate reported.

Ann Marie Banfield, who writes at the blog Granite Grok, reported New Hampshire Rep. Melissa Litchfield, who represents the Brentwood district, posted to Facebook Tuesday that some constituents informed her their unvaccinated students who attended the Exeter High School prom Monday night “had a number written on them in Sharpie” and were tracked throughout the evening.

Litchfield continued with some quotes from “angry” constituents:

If they were on the dance floor they had to raise their hands after every three songs so their numbers could be recorded by other underclass students for contact tracing purposes. There’s even more to the story, but this alone is surprising to us. We truly feel they are literally branding our kids if they don’t get this experiential (sic) “emergency” approved vaccine …

Litchfield reported another constituent said:

They also left the list of student names (first and last) with the info on whether they were vaccinated or not on a table outside after the prom. I found it the next morning. This information should 1. Not have been shared and 2. Should never be left where anyone can have access to it. I have a photo of the list.

“I find it absolutely unbelievable that ‘ ‘ and ‘ ‘ was allowed to treat the kids like prisoners in Nazi Germany,” another person told Litchfield. “Marking them, thus singling them out, and then having to raise their hands is beyond tolerable.”

“First the school could be looking at lawsuits for violation of Hippa [HIPPA] rights,” the constituent continued. “They have no business asking for a vaccine card … last Thursday masks were no longer required outside and if this is in effect it should not have mattered if they were vaccinated or not.”

“If anyone has any further information, I would very much appreciate it,” Litchfield posted. “There has been much talk at the State level regarding vaccination status and confidentiality.”

Banfield reported she was contacted on social media by a parent whose child attended the prom. The parent said her child (name kept confidential) “was at this event and was ‘numbered’ with a sharpie because (child) was not vaccinated.”

The parent reported her child attended the prom with a friend who had received the vaccine and who “was not numbered.”

The parent continued:

It was not communicated to us beforehand. The kids were told it was optional to provide a copy of their vaccine card. When they showed up at prom check-in they were marked and had a number written on them in black sharpie on if they were not vaccinated (sic). Those that were vaccinated had a different color mark and no number assigned to them. Underclassmen were given the role of writing the numbers down on the dance floor. After every 3-4 dances kids were asked to raise their hands so the underclassmen could record the numbers.

The parent told Banfield vaccinated students were required to show their vaccine cards to the class adviser at check-in. Those students without a vaccine card were “numbered.”

According to Banfield, the parent reported “a list, with numbers associated to names,” that was intended to be used for contact tracing of students who were not vaccinated.

The parent said that if a student tested positive for COVID in the week ahead of the prom, all the “numbered kids will miss graduation and all their senior week activities per the school’s contact tracing policy.”

“It is not right that kids are feeling pressured from peers, school and government to get vaccinated,” the parent posted. “Kids should not feel they need to get the vaccination or they will potentially ‘miss out’ on events. It is a personal choice and should remain that.”

“It has become a way to separate and cull out those that won’t follow along – it’s a scary, slippery slope and I guess I hope that if attention is brought to it, people might think twice about whether we want to start down that slope or not,” the parent added.

Banfield wrote about the issue of medical confidentiality.

“It is the parents who send the school district vaccine information on their children,” she observed. “They are the ones who determine whether they want to share this information or not. These are medical records on students, and yet it appears as if that information was on display for everyone to see.”

“What if students were branded with a number if they have a Sexually Transmitted Disease?” Banfield asked. “Should they be required to share that information too? What about AIDS? Where’s the ACLU?”

 
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DanielH

Ostrich
Orthodox
(My emphasis in bold)

Military cadets at West Point Academy who refuse to take one of the controversial COVID vaccines are being put in solitary confinement, with more stringent restrictions than those who tested positive for the virus.​

At West Point Military Academy, a number of cadets are currently rebelling against the push from the Biden administration and military higher-ups to take one of the controversial COVID-19 vaccines. 700 cadets who initially refused the vaccine were brought together into a meeting room, and were briefed as to the benefits of the vaccine. The number of cadets has now dwindled significantly after allegations of daily pressure by “senior officials” at the school, and rumors of reductions of leave. Some cadets relented and received the vaccine, while many left West Point due to the pressure.

Those who still refuse to take the vaccine are forced to wear masks everywhere, marking them out from everybody else who is vaccinated. A number of parents of those holdouts have now organized legal counsel on behalf of their children, with CDMedia reporting that they are “banding together to fight this perceived criminal behavior by those in power over their children.

An anonymous whistleblower, whose identity National File is protecting, gave a breakdown of the current restrictions that West Point cadets who refuse to take the COVID vaccine have to face. For those cadets returning for summer programs, they will have their two week leave shortened to one, as they have to spend 7 days in a quarantine that amounts to serious solitary confinement. The cadets are locked up for 23 hours each day in one room, and are only allowed out for one hour to walk or run outside.

Crucially, these cadets are not tested for COVID-19 before they are put into self-isolation. In fact, they are only tested at the end of the period. If they test negative, they will be released to their training programs. In a letter sent to the cadets deemed “high risk,” there was no detail as to what would happen if the cadet tested positive instead, in terms of whether they would be forced to endure another week or more of the solitary confinement. National File contacted West Point for details on this program via phone and email, but did not receive a response by the time of publication.

The new regime could not accurately be described as self-isolation or quarantine, as such programs already existed at West Point for cadets returning after the summer and Christmas breaks this academic year who tested positive. For those cadets, before the vaccination program kicked into high gear, they would be restricted at some points, but could also work out in the outside gyms, and leave their accommodation to go and order food, albeit being ordered to stay away from cadets who were not infected. These luxuries are not afforded to the cadets who refuse to take the vaccine, even though they may not have the virus.

West Point allegedly plans to round up all the cadets who are refusing the vaccine and transfer them into all one company or platoon based on how many they’re are. At the time of writing, around 50 cadets have not backed down.
The whistleblower said this would likely be better for them, as they would not be around other troops who derogatorily shout at them, calling them “anti-vaxxers,” and instead would be with those who stand with them. “They’re being treated like criminals,” the whistleblower added. “They’re trying to protect other people’s rights and their rights are being compromised.”

National File reported last year on two successive suicides from the Colorado Springs Air Force, with students expressing to the academy that the deaths may have been linked to depression springing from the then extremely strict social distancing policies and punishments for violating the six-foot distance protocols. Following the deaths, looser restrictions were enacted.
700 cadets initially resisted, now down to 50. Revocation of privileges was enough to get 650 cadets to either leave the academy, and therefore the military, or to get vaccinated with experimental gene therapy juice. With 1100 cadets per class, and only about 12 dissenters per class, we can calculate that West Point has successfully reduced the number of free thinking future officers to only 1% of the 2021 graduating class. An amazing victory for the cultural revolutionaries. Lord have mercy.
 

budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member

"...first fully vaccinated North American cruise..."


So, basically, the unvaccinated people weren't welcomed. Look on the bright side: they were on a fully vaccinated cruise ship. :rolleyes:


Two passengers aboard the first fully-vaccinated cruise ship in North America have tested positive for COVID-19.

Celebrity Millennium issued this statement Thursday:

“Today two guests sharing a stateroom onboard Celebrity Millennium tested positive for COVID-19 while conducting the required end of cruise testing. The individuals are asymptomatic and currently in isolation and being monitored by our medical team. We are conducting contact tracing, expediting testing for all close contacts and closely monitoring the situation.

Celebrity Millennium is sailing with fully vaccinated crew and guests and following comprehensive protocols that align with our destination partners and exceed CDC guidelines to protect the health and safety of our guests. All guests on Celebrity Millennium were required to show proof of vaccination as well as a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours before sailing from St. Maarten this past Saturday. This situation demonstrates that our rigorous health and safety protocols work to protect our crew, guests and the communities we visit.”
 
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Bird

Pelican
Pakistan's Punjab to block SIM cards of citizens not vaccinated against Covid-19

In what comes as an unusual move to tackle coronavirus disease (Covid-19) vaccine hesitancy, the provincial government in Pakistan's Punjab has now decided to block the SIM cards of unvaccinated citizens, news agency ANI reported on Friday. The decision, as per ARY News, was taken at a meeting in Lahore presided over by the province's health minister Dr. Yasmin Rashid. The move is seemingly aimed at forcing all those citizens who refuse to get themselves vaccinated to do so at the earliest.
 
(My emphasis in bold)

700 cadets initially resisted, now down to 50. Revocation of privileges was enough to get 650 cadets to either leave the academy, and therefore the military, or to get vaccinated with experimental gene therapy juice. With 1100 cadets per class, and only about 12 dissenters per class, we can calculate that West Point has successfully reduced the number of free thinking future officers to only 1% of the 2021 graduating class. An amazing victory for the cultural revolutionaries. Lord have mercy.

There's more personal and moral courage in the pinkie finger of any one of those 50 or so cadets unwilling to back down than the rest of the 700+ or so combined. And that 650 attrition figure is astonishing, much much higher than any regular attrition experienced among cadet year groups.

When the unvaccinated cadets form their own cadet company they would likely ride that out for the rest of their time at the academy. On the plus side, this would boost their cohesion and camaraderie 100-fold and they'd be lifelong friends after graduation. Hard to find that in a postmodern world nowadays.

At my place of work, everyone in my office is vaccinated whereas I am not and am still required to wear a facemask. I sense a personal divide between myself and them. I am wondering when I may be confronted for not taking it.
 

Bird

Pelican
I hope and pray that these "vaccinated" people's changed immune systems don't go into overdrive with cytokine storms later in the year when flu season hits, killing them.

I predict that exactly this will happen as a planned event of overdrive.

"Welcome to your transhumanistic operatiing system ver. 0.1., be proud to be one of the early adoptors of a technology that gives you immortality, you will be saved forever."
 
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So I haven't gotten vaccinated yet and do not want to. I am getting pressure recently from girl im seeing, from mom to get it.

As a late adopter, i usually only do something WAY after I know its safe and right now theres way too much smoke to suggest a fire for me to go anywhere near this thing.

What are you guys planning to do if its required to travel? Or other basic shit.
 

kel

Ostrich
So I haven't gotten vaccinated yet and do not want to. I am getting pressure recently from girl im seeing, from mom to get it.

As a late adopter, i usually only do something WAY after I know its safe and right now theres way too much smoke to suggest a fire for me to go anywhere near this thing.

What are you guys planning to do if its required to travel? Or other basic shit.
Starting with this, take advantage of a low-tech system while I can. If/when it spirals from there, though, things get much more complicated. I'm trying to arrange my life such that I won't want or need to travel, but that takes time. I'd been planning it for a few years, should've moved more quickly back when my literal movement wasn't so limited.

Re: your family and whatnot, I'd just say "I've tested for antibodies, so I'm immune". But, also, any girl who's pressuring you regarding that needs to be either controlled or dropped. Family you're stuck with to some extent, but she's not your family yet.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
What I don't get is the massive media push for young people to get the Moderna/Pfizer MRNA when there are several other effective bat flu vaccines based on long term safe and proven technology.

Pfizer still has 80% of the already tiny blood clot risk Oxford(AZ) does, so why does only Oxford(and J&J) get the media hate?

If there ends up being a catastrophic problem with Pfizer/Moderna, we are finished as a civilisation, but if we hedge our bets with other vaccines, even in the worst case scenario we'll be able to rebuild and survive.

It's especially insane in Australia, where we can produce our own AZ vaccine, but the young aren't even allowed to opt in to get it.
 

BiggNastee

Kingfisher
What I don't get is the massive media push for young people to get the Moderna/Pfizer MRNA when there are several other effective bat flu vaccines based on long term safe and proven technology.

Pfizer still has 80% of the already tiny blood clot risk Oxford(AZ) does, so why does only Oxford(and J&J) get the media hate?

If there ends up being a catastrophic problem with Pfizer/Moderna, we are finished as a civilisation, but if we hedge our bets with other vaccines, even in the worst case scenario we'll be able to rebuild and survive.

It's especially insane in Australia, where we can produce our own AZ vaccine, but the young aren't even allowed to opt in to get it.
 

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FrancisK

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I think a lot of people who were “vaccinated” didn’t actually want to be but they thought they had to be. I’m not talking about the brainwashed who were proud to get it I’m talking about people who did it for work, school, family or were pressured by other means.

The problem comes where if you got it, doesn’t matter why, then you automatically lose all objectivity and reasoning towards it. Anyone who got it will want everyone else to get it, it’s like the drowning man they will always take someone down with them to try and save themselves. That is the biggest problem I think, someone who didn’t get the poison may not have anything against someone who did but it would not work the same in reverse.
 

hkhathaj

Woodpecker
I think a lot of people who were “vaccinated” didn’t actually want to be but they thought they had to be. I’m not talking about the brainwashed who were proud to get it I’m talking about people who did it for work, school, family or were pressured by other means.

The problem comes where if you got it, doesn’t matter why, then you automatically lose all objectivity and reasoning towards it. Anyone who got it will want everyone else to get it, it’s like the drowning man they will always take someone down with them to try and save themselves. That is the biggest problem I think, someone who didn’t get the poison may not have anything against someone who did but it would not work the same in reverse.
This. This is why they vaxxed the grown ups first and then they vax the children. Now the vaxxed parents have no mental ability to protect their children. I know people who I asked last summer about vaccinating their children with experimental stuff against Covid. They answered a definite NO by then. Now that they are vaxxed I have asked the same question. They answered "Hmm, I am not sure".
 

Bright_Sun

Pigeon
What I don't get is the massive media push for young people to get the Moderna/Pfizer MRNA when there are several other effective bat flu vaccines based on long term safe and proven technology.

Pfizer still has 80% of the already tiny blood clot risk Oxford(AZ) does, so why does only Oxford(and J&J) get the media hate?

If there ends up being a catastrophic problem with Pfizer/Moderna, we are finished as a civilisation, but if we hedge our bets with other vaccines, even in the worst case scenario we'll be able to rebuild and survive.

It's especially insane in Australia, where we can produce our own AZ vaccine, but the young aren't even allowed to opt in to get it.

I don't believe any of the currently available Covid vaccines are based on traditional vaccine technology.

Oxford and J&J are viral vector vaccines. They use a modified virus to deliver DNA to your cells. The only time this type of vaccine has been used in the past was in certain areas of Africa and Europe to treat Ebola.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine

The upcoming Novavax is a protein subunit vaccine, the same type of vaccine for Hepatitis B and HPV. I doubt that will be much safer.

A lot of people I've talked in person seem to think that J&J is just a traditional vaccine made using inactivated or live-attenuated germs, but it's not.

Here's a list of all the different types of vaccines: https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/types/index.html
 

SmilingSun

Pigeon
Orthodox
Honestly, in a way I am somewhat happy it has come to this sort of division. A person's position on vaccines has become a great litmus test: if a person is against jabs, then I assume that he is most likely a sane man who I could probably get along with. If, however, he is all in and starts piling on others for questioning the narrative and attacking them, then I will avoid him and not support him in any way.

For me, it has never been so easy to quickly identify if a man is an enemy or not. At least some good came from this mess.
 
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