The Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Divide thread

IMMImedia

Sparrow
There aren't really any countries resisting it are there? I look at the data and the only countries with low rates are poorer countries, which doesn't mean much as they'll likely get on board as soon as they have access to the vax.

Closest would be Russia at only about 15% vaxxed compared to over 50% in most western countries. Obviously places like Georgia, Belarus, and Ukraine are even lower, along with SEA.
Depends on what you mean by resisting. We do not have mandatory vaccination in my country, or my neighbouring ones, no force. And no employer will be allowed to fire people for not vaccinating people. We do have a supreme court that would shut down that swiftly if they tried it. I am never getting it. I follow the guidelines to protect others if I were to be infected, but will stop if they make it mandatory, and that is the reason they only have guidelines regarding masks and distance to others in public, max number of people meeting socially, etc. And last time I checked, we had like 35-40% vaccinated. And I think that was shot number 1, hahaha. We are a western country.but they stopped giving one or two vacs to my people for safetyconcerns regarding some findings in denmark, so you have to apply to get those. So not the same way everywhere. We will never be forced in the alps or scandinavia, apart from Germany perhaps. You cannot force free people, you cannot force mountainpeople or mountainmonkeys who have guns to do anythinhg. Does not work that way. There are more guns in thbe US, but there are more people who owns guns in switzerland and scandinavia, finland and iceland. So the police cannot be used against us that way, especially since they do not carry guns on them. What are they going to do when they knock on a door and is met with a gun pointing at them, and they do not have a gun? So force is impossible, you would have to do something political first to arm the police, and the left parties will not let that happen, and it would take ages to do. And we have a conservative government who would not use force upon us like that, so we are safe, with two safeguards, one on each political aisle
 

r3d

Woodpecker
I assume working the bar at a popular upscale restaurant is more lucrative because the bill amounts per customer are larger and therefore the tips, proportionally, are larger. But, I don't know for sure because I've never worked in a customer service position in the hospitality industry.

Your assessment is correct. Barely any exceptions to that in my experience.

edit: In Germany
 
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IMMImedia

Sparrow
Your assessment is correct. Barely any exceptions to that in my experience.

I assume working the bar at a popular upscale restaurant is more lucrative because the bill amounts per customer are larger and therefore the tips, proportionally, are larger. But, I don't know for sure because I've never worked in a customer service position in the hospitality industry.
If you work at a upscale restaurant or bar, you usually get to keep your tip. The restaurant/bar is not socialized, because the establishment do not need the tip to cover their employees, so it is best for morale that the customer who tips, tips directly to the one he/her/it think did a good job. So workers work for the tip. Raise quality of service. At lower level you have managers collecting the tip collective, taking a percentagecut to him/her or itself, then divy up the rest socialiststyle among all employees. So jobmorale drops, and nobody will ever bother give great service because it does not benefit them. If you are at a lower scale restaurant and is a millionaire impressed with service, you cannot leave 1 000 dollar tip with the bill and expect it to go to the person. You must give it directly in the hand of the waiter, and tell them to share it with the cook.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
There aren't really any countries resisting it are there? I look at the data and the only countries with low rates are poorer countries, which doesn't mean much as they'll likely get on board as soon as they have access to the vax.

Closest would be Russia at only about 15% vaxxed compared to over 50% in most western countries. Obviously places like Georgia, Belarus, and Ukraine are even lower, along with SEA.
I think that the whole system is set up in a way that politicians are dependent on their top shadow gornverment advisors - installed by Gill Bates and the likes - for their knowledge. Let's now forget that those who set their signature under a law do so based on the advice of their advisors. For example, in the NL our health minister equivalent to Pratt Hancock was a kindergarten teacher. The dude just climbed up with some jibberjabber, good oration skills etc. But does the dude knows anything about viruses? Of course not. He makes his decisions based on the info that gets to him. I don't think that he is aware at all what he's doing in fact. Some politicians may have more knowledge, but generally I think this is what's happening and that's how they pull it off at the national levels.

That being said, we do see differences in severity of the measures. Real resistance is almost non existent besides maybe Belarus if you count taking few measures as resistant. Then again, resistant against what? I think most people at the top national levels at least generally think that they're doing a good job for their people as they listen to the WHO and the ''expert'' advisors. So everyone goes along, but here in the NL things are way more tolerable compared to e.g. Southern American countries where you're muzzled outside. That as being enforced is not really imaginable here, although I'm not surprised about anything anymore, however with our democratic tradition and freedom based mindset that would be a step to far. In more authoritarian countries in Latin-America or Phillipines they just shut it down entirely and bat you down if you don't listen. This happens too here, but it's more subtle.
 

Bright_Sun

Pigeon
My current job requires non vaxxed to wear the mask, but nobody can ask about it. So effectively, anybody not vaxxed can choose to not wear a mask because they're not asked about their status (this is me). I suspect a new variant (Delta!!) is going to require expanded restrictions and new jabs and proof of jab will be required at which point I will not be employed.
I'm in the same situation at my job. Right now, my company isn't allowed to ask if about my vaccination status, but I read that they're working on some sort of digital verification that will probably be used when entering the workplace.

Once my higher-level managers find out that I (and many others) are not wearing masks and not vaccinated, we may lose our jobs.

Keeping my eye open for jobs at other companies.
 

st.BOSCO

Pigeon
I don't have hard evidence of this(videos), but I'm seeing some people reporting in internet comments about animals getting aggressive around vaccinated people.

Considering that many animals have the ability to identify organisms in a state of high toxicity, this is likely to be true.

Just like a mother lion who abandons and/or kills one of her cubs with leukemia.

Since my mom was vaccinated, our dog who considered my mom as her favorite person in the house, doesn't want to be any closer to her.
When my mom tries to catch her, she tries to bite my mom.
(Detail, our dog has never bitten anyone before).
 

Edin

Robin
I don't have hard evidence of this(videos), but I'm seeing some people reporting in internet comments about animals getting aggressive around vaccinated people.

Considering that many animals have the ability to identify organisms in a state of high toxicity, this is likely to be true.

Just like a mother lion who abandons and/or kills one of her cubs with leukemia.

Since my mom was vaccinated, our dog who considered my mom as her favorite person in the house, doesn't want to be any closer to her.
When my mom tries to catch her, she tries to bite my mom.
(Detail, our dog has never bitten anyone before).

Wow, considering how almost everyone has a dog these days (not me) that would be explosive if it turns out to be. After all they claim that dogs can sniff virus (toxins) so who knows ...
 

AntoniusofEfa

Kingfisher
Wow, considering how almost everyone has a dog these days (not me) that would be explosive if it turns out to be. After all they claim that dogs can sniff virus (toxins) so who knows ...
I saw a video somewhere on a telegram channel describing a similar situation. This makes a lot of sense.
 

budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
These people are insufferable & pathetic.

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budoslavic

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
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Via Vox Day, "See how they squeal"
It's going to be interesting to see the media attempting to simultaneously argue that a) businesses can discriminate against the unvaccinated and b) businesses cannot discriminate against the vaccinated. Because you know they're going to screech like crazy about second-class status for the unvaccinated:

An anti-vax beauty therapist has said she will refuse to treat anyone who has been vaccinated against coronavirus.

Sarah McCutcheon, based in Glasgow, wrote in a post on her business' Instagram page: 'We will not treat anyone who has had a Covid-19 jab.'

The owner of Wellness and Wellbeing With Sarah made the comment alongside a post from an Australian hair salon which read: 'We are not your hairdresser if you have had the Covid vax.' She added: 'We agree and will not conduct massages or treatments on any vaccinated people...sorry not sorry.'

The National Hair and Beauty Federation (NHBF) told the Daily Record such a policy would go against Government guidance, which should be followed to keep customers safe.


I don't know about you, but I definitely know more people that are concerned about contact with the vaccinated than they are about contact with the unvaccinated.
 
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