The Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Divide thread

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Im not sure if this is a purely "Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed point, but relative to the difference in approaches to handling being sick are apropos.
Here's my experience with covid compared to my vaxxed friend who had to get it for her job and wasn't in a position to negotiate against it due to financial obligations:

I got covid this week at a conference for school. Sunday I just thought I had an ear infection/sore throat with the weather change. Sunday night drove home and couldn't sleep all night.... thought it might have been a result of the excitement/drinking/socializing all week at the conference. Had really vivid dreams and terrible anxiety/rapid heart rate/ difficulty breathing that night and stomach issues and vomiting and fever Monday morning. Had to call in sick. Couldn't think clearly all day and after sleeping about 10 hours off and on through out the day I decided I needed to set up a dr appointment. Contacted my friend who had a bad case of covid and got hooked up with a IVM prescribing Dr (I may or may not have had some of this already.... but I wanted the box checked from work point of view also) I can say this felt incredibly synthetic and totally different than when I got it last year.

Dr I met with was one that was well known to push "alternative" medical treatments for Covid as well as " hormones and minerals" for treatments.

What I got prescribed:
IVM: 27 mg (thats a lot) for 10 Days, then 13.5 mg's / a day after that for 10 more days.
Vitamin D: 50000 IU's a Day for 10 Days,
Vitamin C: 5000 IU's a day for 10 Days
ALA (European grade)
Spermidine
Argentin 23 (silver/colidal silver type product)


What my Freind who is Vaxxed got prescribed from a mainstream hospital
Prednisoze,
Doxycicline
Tylenol

My friend has roughly the same symptoms and feeling as day 1 with very very minor improvements.
I'm on day 2.5 of medicine (4rd day post initial symptoms) and I feel like a mild regular flu compared to day 1, where I was actually genuinely worried and had oxygen saturation levels in the low 90's.
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
Im not sure if this is a purely "Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed point, but relative to the difference in approaches to handling being sick are apropos.
Here's my experience with covid compared to my vaxxed friend who had to get it for her job and wasn't in a position to negotiate against it due to financial obligations:

I got covid this week at a conference for school. Sunday I just thought I had an ear infection/sore throat with the weather change. Sunday night drove home and couldn't sleep all night.... thought it might have been a result of the excitement/drinking/socializing all week at the conference. Had really vivid dreams and terrible anxiety/rapid heart rate/ difficulty breathing that night and stomach issues and vomiting and fever Monday morning. Had to call in sick. Couldn't think clearly all day and after sleeping about 10 hours off and on through out the day I decided I needed to set up a dr appointment. Contacted my friend who had a bad case of covid and got hooked up with a IVM prescribing Dr (I may or may not have had some of this already.... but I wanted the box checked from work point of view also) I can say this felt incredibly synthetic and totally different than when I got it last year.

Dr I met with was one that was well known to push "alternative" medical treatments for Covid as well as " hormones and minerals" for treatments.

What I got prescribed:
IVM: 27 mg (thats a lot) for 10 Days, then 13.5 mg's / a day after that for 10 more days.
Vitamin D: 50000 IU's a Day for 10 Days,
Vitamin C: 5000 IU's a day for 10 Days
ALA (European grade)
Spermidine
Argentin 23 (silver/colidal silver type product)


What my Freind who is Vaxxed got prescribed from a mainstream hospital
Prednisoze,
Doxycicline
Tylenol

My friend has roughly the same symptoms and feeling as day 1 with very very minor improvements.
I'm on day 2.5 of medicine (4rd day post initial symptoms) and I feel like a mild regular flu compared to day 1, where I was actually genuinely worried and had oxygen saturation levels in the low 90's.
Can you explain a little about what you meant that "this felt incredibly synthetic and totally different than when I got it last year"? What felt synthetic? The actual sensation of feeling sick? The IVM?
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Can you explain a little about what you meant that "this felt incredibly synthetic and totally different than when I got it last year"? What felt synthetic? The actual sensation of feeling sick? The IVM?
The sickness. The IVM was just like taking any other drug...except I could tell it worked.

Where as last time I lost taste for 2 weeks... had a fever for a couple days, and was a little run down... this was totally different. My wife was more sick/ran down/slept but I was more or less fine, minus needing a nap or two here and there.

Like it attacked all elements simultaneously: diarrhea/nausea/shortness of breath/congestion/sinus all at once, but the main thing was the inability to think clearly, and rapid racing thoughts. Like what a panic/anxiety attack. vivd-extreme dreams... like I woke up at one point and thought I was in hell, then realized I was in a fever dream and it was ok....

No some of that may have been compounded by the fact that I had been at a conference for a week and been running on very little sleep, and lots of alcohol/social events which also run you down... but there's no way that explains it.

The Dr said that he's heard something similar recently in folks.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Im not sure if this is a purely "Vaxxed vs Unvaxxed point, but relative to the difference in approaches to handling being sick are apropos.
Here's my experience with covid compared to my vaxxed friend who had to get it for her job and wasn't in a position to negotiate against it due to financial obligations:

I got covid this week at a conference for school. Sunday I just thought I had an ear infection/sore throat with the weather change. Sunday night drove home and couldn't sleep all night.... thought it might have been a result of the excitement/drinking/socializing all week at the conference. Had really vivid dreams and terrible anxiety/rapid heart rate/ difficulty breathing that night and stomach issues and vomiting and fever Monday morning. Had to call in sick. Couldn't think clearly all day and after sleeping about 10 hours off and on through out the day I decided I needed to set up a dr appointment. Contacted my friend who had a bad case of covid and got hooked up with a IVM prescribing Dr (I may or may not have had some of this already.... but I wanted the box checked from work point of view also) I can say this felt incredibly synthetic and totally different than when I got it last year.

Dr I met with was one that was well known to push "alternative" medical treatments for Covid as well as " hormones and minerals" for treatments.

What I got prescribed:
IVM: 27 mg (thats a lot) for 10 Days, then 13.5 mg's / a day after that for 10 more days.
Vitamin D: 50000 IU's a Day for 10 Days,
Vitamin C: 5000 IU's a day for 10 Days
ALA (European grade)
Spermidine
Argentin 23 (silver/colidal silver type product)


What my Freind who is Vaxxed got prescribed from a mainstream hospital
Prednisoze,
Doxycicline
Tylenol

My friend has roughly the same symptoms and feeling as day 1 with very very minor improvements.
I'm on day 2.5 of medicine (4rd day post initial symptoms) and I feel like a mild regular flu compared to day 1, where I was actually genuinely worried and had oxygen saturation levels in the low 90's.
I've the philosophy that I don't take any medicine unless it's explicitly necessary. Medicine often has at least the same level of detrimental impact on you as positive, or at least the chance thereof.

The whole industry of medicine is a scam. Cancer and heart disease kill both 40% of people, that amounts to 80% of total death is either one of these. If you cure cancer, how many years will the average person live longer? You'd say 10, 20, but it's 4 in reality. Curing heart disease also adds another 3 years, making it 7. Don't ask me for the math on that, but it's 7.

The bottom line is, even if you cure the diseases that amount to 80% of deaths, you only gain 7 years, and people due to their lifestyle will die due to other causes. It'll just be the next thing that'll do it. So instead of focusing on all this medicine stuff, what really will help people prolong both the quantity as quality of their lives is lifestyle: the usual stuff everyone knows one has to do, eating healthy, drinking water and no garbage, working out, don't sit all day, just all these basic things. That's where the solution is, but of course society doesn't steer towards that, for that'd mean you actually improve your life quality and quantity, which explicitly is the contrary to the stated elite goal of making you as miserable and sick as humanly possible.

Stay away from any medicine lads, unless it's really necessary and the situation demands it. It's a full blown trap to nuke your physical, hormonal, neurological, emotional, psychological and ultimately spiritual state.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
The sickness. The IVM was just like taking any other drug...except I could tell it worked.

Where as last time I lost taste for 2 weeks... had a fever for a couple days, and was a little run down... this was totally different. My wife was more sick/ran down/slept but I was more or less fine, minus needing a nap or two here and there.

Like it attacked all elements simultaneously: diarrhea/nausea/shortness of breath/congestion/sinus all at once, but the main thing was the inability to think clearly, and rapid racing thoughts. Like what a panic/anxiety attack. vivd-extreme dreams... like I woke up at one point and thought I was in hell, then realized I was in a fever dream and it was ok....

No some of that may have been compounded by the fact that I had been at a conference for a week and been running on very little sleep, and lots of alcohol/social events which also run you down... but there's no way that explains it.

The Dr said that he's heard something similar recently in folks.
Rule #1 Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.


I'm surprised that zinc isnt on that list. Its been proven over and over as a, if not "the" component in any treatment protocol as it highly effective interferon like properties at the molecular level. It was even in Dr Zelenkos earliest "controversial" protocols that have since been totally vindicated along with Hydroxychloroquine

Also keep in mind that all corona viruses that have function with humans do so through blood cells and vascular system first once they cross the mucosa barrier(s). Its really a "blood disease" that causes respiratory symptoms progressively.

Due to bio chemical variations some people's blood corpuscles ACE2 receptors on are just more "receptive" to the CV spike proteins. Zinc literally interferes with the bio chemical processes of the virus at that critical point.

Again : Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

Ivermectin works by primarily blocking the virus from crossing the mucosa (The same properties that make it an excellent anti- parasitic therapy...what its mostly know for)

The D3 helps kick start a number of your overall immune systems but its the Vit C that gives the zinc an express ride to where it needs to go*. But the earlier the better

Early treatment =Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

By the time you've reached a fever stage its late in the game. The virus is deep behind the lines.

Its critical to understand that none of these protocols are direct "cures". Your innate immune system is first line of defense. But it's your "learned" immune system that really brings the heavy artillery to bear. And that takes some time. The IVM, Vit C, zinc all act as time buyers so your (T cellls , B cells) can gather the info needed an launch an effective counter.

I increase my maintenance levels of Vit C and, zinc at the first morning loogy...the last time I had a whole softball team of people younger than me get knocked into the dirt for a week while I barely got a sniffle...they all tested "positive" so I assume I would have too

Moving on

Keeping the "blood disease" in mind your symptoms are very similar to those of "altitude sickness" because the more blood cells (avg 200 billion new blood cells made in your bone marrow... daily) captured and rendered useless by the virus. Obviously blood cells transport oxygen throughout so it follows: Less oxygen is transported and that affects every organ in the body. Hypoxic conditions will exacerbate any weakness. You feel like crap because literally all your bodily functions are affected. Higher viral loads increase blood cell...Im sure you get the picture

Rule #1 Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

Moreover. Iron is an essential mineral. Not enough and your "anemic". But too much is toxic. Your red blood cells essentially "capture" the iron and "escorts" through the body for beneficial purposes. One early study I read (then it disappeared imagine that) showed that high viral loads were correlated with increased iron in the form of free radicals. Released iron can mess with alot of different functions but one of the first is gastro intestinal...ie diarrhea

If you want to geek out on viral bio-chemical / mechanics you can (I did a deep dive early on in the scamdemic...) Simeon Strangelight lot posted a bunch of sources in the very earliest of Wu Flu threads....if you feel like digging
 
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get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Rule #1 Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.


I'm surprised that zinc isnt on that list. Its been proven over and over as a, if not "the" component in any treatment protocol as it highly effective interferon like properties at the molecular level. It was even in Dr Zelenkos earliest "controversial" protocols that have since been totally vindicated along with Hydroxychloroquine

Also keep in mind that all corona viruses that have function with humans do so through blood cells and vascular system first once they cross the mucosa barrier(s). Its really a "blood disease" that causes respiratory symptoms progressively.

Due to bio chemical variations some people's blood corpuscles ACE2 receptors on are just more "receptive" to the CV spike proteins. Zinc literally interferes with the bio chemical processes of the virus at that critical point.

Again : Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

Ivermectin works by primarily blocking the virus from crossing the mucosa (The same properties that make it an excellent anti- parasitic therapy...what its mostly know for)

The D3 helps kick start a number of your overall immune systems but its the Vit C that gives the zinc an express ride to where it needs to go*. But the earlier the better

Early treatment =Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

By the time you've reached a fever stage its late in the game. The virus is deep behind the lines.

Its critical to understand that none of these protocols are direct "cures". Your innate immune system is first line of defense. But it's your "learned" immune system that really brings the heavy artillery to bear. And that takes some time. The IVM, Vit C, zinc all act as time buyers so your (T cellls , B cells) can gather the info needed an launch an effective counter.

I increase my maintenance levels of Vit C and, zinc at the first morning loogy...the last time I had a whole softball team of people younger than me get knocked into the dirt for a week while I barely got a sniffle...they all tested "positive" so I assume I would have too

Moving on

Keeping the "blood disease" in mind your symptoms are very similar to those of "altitude sickness" because the more blood cells (avg 200 billion new blood cells made in your bone marrow... daily) captured and rendered useless by the virus. Obviously blood cells transport oxygen throughout so it follows: Less oxygen is transported and that affects every organ in the body. Hypoxic conditions will exacerbate any weakness. You feel like crap because literally all your bodily functions are affected. Higher viral loads increase blood cell...Im sure you get the picture

Rule #1 Low viral load = low symptoms = less severity.

Moreover. Iron is an essential mineral. Not enough and your "anemic". But too much is toxic. Your red blood cells essentially "capture" the iron and "escorts" through the body for beneficial purposes. One early study I read (then it disappeared imagine that) showed that high viral loads were correlated with increased iron in the form of free radicals. Released iron can mess with alot of different functions but one of the first is gastro intestinal...ie diarrhea

If you want to geek out on viral bio-chemical / mechanics you can (I did a deep dive early on in the scamdemic...) Simeon Strangelight lot posted a bunch of sources in the very earliest of Wu Flu threads....if you feel like digging
I forgot to mention 40 mg zinc a day and melatonin.

He did mention that. The ivm seems to stop the progression, the kitchen sink of vitamin d, c, b complex, and spermidine, ala, all seem to help with autophagy.

Other than minor congestion now, I feel fine. No fatigue.... I thought about lifting weights tomorrow even. Very very drastic swing from Sunday night, Monday/Tuesday where i wasnt breathing well and not thinking clearly ECT... The ivm works.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I've the philosophy that I don't take any medicine unless it's explicitly necessary. Medicine often has at least the same level of detrimental impact on you as positive, or at least the chance thereof.

The whole industry of medicine is a scam. Cancer and heart disease kill both 40% of people, that amounts to 80% of total death is either one of these. If you cure cancer, how many years will the average person live longer? You'd say 10, 20, but it's 4 in reality. Curing heart disease also adds another 3 years, making it 7. Don't ask me for the math on that, but it's 7.

The bottom line is, even if you cure the diseases that amount to 80% of deaths, you only gain 7 years, and people due to their lifestyle will die due to other causes. It'll just be the next thing that'll do it. So instead of focusing on all this medicine stuff, what really will help people prolong both the quantity as quality of their lives is lifestyle: the usual stuff everyone knows one has to do, eating healthy, drinking water and no garbage, working out, don't sit all day, just all these basic things. That's where the solution is, but of course society doesn't steer towards that, for that'd mean you actually improve your life quality and quantity, which explicitly is the contrary to the stated elite goal of making you as miserable and sick as humanly possible.

Stay away from any medicine lads, unless it's really necessary and the situation demands it. It's a full blown trap to nuke your physical, hormonal, neurological, emotional, psychological and ultimately spiritual state.
I am pretty selective of what medicines I'll take. I need to understand its mechanisms before I'll take it.

This doctor did go on some funny tangents about cancer and how we will never cure it, only manage and monetize it.

It's refreshing to hear that from people someone who's actively fighting that.
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
I forgot to mention 40 mg zinc a day and melatonin.

He did mention that. The ivm seems to stop the progression, the kitchen sink of vitamin d, c, b complex, and spermidine, ala, all seem to help with autophagy.

Other than minor congestion now, I feel fine. No fatigue.... I thought about lifting weights tomorrow even. Very very drastic swing from Sunday night, Monday/Tuesday where i wasnt breathing well and not thinking clearly ECT... The ivm works.
Glad to hear you’re feeling better. Yeah ...IVM is the real deal
 

Cr33pin

Crow
Other Christian
Gold Member


I can't tell if that site is real or not. One of their "news articles" was about a man being raped by his wife's boyfriend... and she was going to go meet her rapist boyfriend one more time over the weekend to tell him he can never see her or her cuck husband again....

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budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
I can't tell if that site is real or not. One of their "news articles" was about a man being raped by his wife's boyfriend... and she was going to go meet her rapist boyfriend one more time over the weekend to tell him he can never see her or her cuck husband again....

GrotesqueAshamedDutchsmoushond-size_restricted.gif
It's satire (I think).
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer

If this is a real message, it demonstrates unequivocally the difference between those who stand in reality, and those who stand in idealism. Those who stand in reality have a core feature: they take responsibility. Those who stand in idealism have a core feature also: they don't take responsibility. It's the masculine vs the feminine frame essentially. The adult vs the child. The leader vs the follower.
 
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