The victim of Columbia's resident false accuser/psycho mattress girl speaks out.

[Dusty]

False reports of rape are rare, many experts say, and the federal Department of Education is investigating scores of colleges for possibly violating federal rules in handling the complaints that are filed.

Well, with a reliable source like "many [unnamed] experts", the benefit of the doubt must lie with the accuser. :tard: We'll ignore all the other experts and all this due process nonsense and just assume guilty until proven innocent (and then still assume guilt if the legal process doesn't give the right answer).

The experts have been saying one-in-five college women are sexually assaulted.

Now a new study is saying it's more like 6.1 per one thousand. So not 20 percent, instead 0.61 percent. The old estimate was overstated by 33.

Imagine if some told you you weighed 5,600 pounds instead of 170 lbs.

Imagine if someone said you made $1.6 million per year when instead you made $50,000.

Imagine if someone said you were 196 feet tall when in actuality you are 6 feet tall.

You'd say the person doing these estimates which are overestimated by 33x is a ridiculous teller of tall tales.

So much of rape hysteria is made of fantastical fabrications, whether it's Jackie's story or the one in five myth. I don't believe any of it. I don't believe that stat that false accusations are exceedingly rare. It's all part of the bogus story telling required to keep rape hysteria alive when FBI rape statistics show real rape has been dropping like a rock for decades.

Showing feminists and SJWs those FBI rape stats is like holding up a cross to Dracula. They flip out and try to change the subject and become louder and more shrill.

 

[Seamus]

:troll:

Well that's certainly one way to kill the discussion

I agree with Seamus. He was doing something wrong. I doubt he was doing what the girls describe, but he was obviously doing something NOT right to have three girls hate his guys enough to find each other and plot against him.

This situation is a combined result of a) over-entitled feminist students and b) bad game.

For his own sake, hopefully this guy improves his game to not be such an asshole.

Exactly my point.

 

[Lemmo]

Let me put it this way. If your buddy had three sexual assault allegations lodged against him, would you chalk it off to bad luck or sit him down and tell him he should probably re-think his closing game a bit?

This is terribly naive. If you've carved out a niche where you only interact with normal, well adjusted people, more power to you. But this is not the situation here. These accusations are taking place on a far left campus full of glassy-eyed feminist ideologues. One of the accusations is from a freak who is hauling her "rape mattress" around for a class project. It wouldn't be surprising at all if she found a few other losers to fabricate accusations. By all accounts these other accusations suddenly appeared after she started dragging her mattress around - i.e., after attention whore envy was triggered.

There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

 

[Seamus]

There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him.

Let me see if I understand you here. Are you arguing that the false-rape accusation trend has reached such overwhelmingly epidemic proportions that multiple accusations now have literally zero probative value? That having three girls accuse you of sexual assault doesn't muddy the waters even a bit? That's a very extreme position.

This is terribly naive. If you've carved out a niche where you only interact with normal, well adjusted people, more power to you. But this is not the situation here. These accusations are taking place on a far left campus full of glassy-eyed feminist ideologues.

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It wouldn't be surprising at all if she found a few other losers to fabricate accusations.

I agree. As I said in my original post:

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this guy were guilty of something. Nor would I be surprised if he were totally innocent.

Sure, they could've all colluded against him. Or just maybe the guy's got some issues. We don't know. Is that really such a hard idea to swallow?

 

[Slim Shady]

Seamus, you would be a terrible friend to have I think.

You and monster are not seeing the point. First of all, look at the "groping" case. Dude was tipsy at a party, went for the isolation close up the stairs and went for a make-out. Normally in a very drunk situation these are very hit or miss. But he went for a drunk makeout. Okay. Sadly this is rape today. I'm throwing this one out the window.

Look at what this guy has been through. Every point that dude made in this story is spot on. Walking around campus, his own "friends" dropping off and everyone staring at him like a rapist. He was likely suicidal during this intense bullying. I'm sure at one point he was forced by the bullying, and by people like you, into BELIEVING that he had assaulted these girls. He has not.

I agree that one of his friends should have sat him down and told him "You have done nothing wrong, but be careful in today's environment because if a girl is uncomfortable she can spin it any way she likes." Please stop the victim blaming. And yes the man here is the victim.

He is certainly someone who had bad drunk game at 19. How many of you were "playas" at that age? But on the other side, I've personally had many girls get belligerently drunk and come on to me or my friends in front of my eyes. I have seen drunk unattractive girls with such a high level of entitlement that they have actually physically attacked/kicked me when I tried to cockblock their attempts at hooking up with my drunk friend [at his behest]. Nothing happened to this girl. None of us pressed charges. We laughed about it the next day, said she was a crazy bitch, and then she continued coming to our fraternity for years because she was friends with some of the brothers.

If a guy had done that...well you get it right?

He probably DID do something wrong from a strict moral sense. I have done similar things when I was 19 and drunk at parties. It is not something I would be proud of telling my family, so in that sense it was wrong. It was not legal rape.

He can go two ways from this. He can go into self loathing and become a male feminist even more and apologize for his actions. Or he can take up the red pill, read some old Danger and Play posts, and join the forum like I did.

The problem is that this man was cleared in a Kangaroo court! And still the college has allowed such a severe mental torture by these bullies, and in fact funded it. The college must be called out and taken to court over this. Then we have people like you, who are apparently man's men, and "rep pill" also accusing this guy. On the feminist side, you have someone who has lost in a court that is 100% in her support to start with, and still not only do you have all feminists supporting her, but even the mid-line student on the fence is probably supporting her. This isn't even a case of "we should support all men till they are proven guilty". This man has been show innocent in a court where all odds were against him. Are you starting to understand?

I have seen this kind of collusion between girls first hand. Sometimes even "nice" girls will get roped in by a feminist ring-leader. In my case I did not even have full on sex with any of them. I was made to believe by people that I was in the wrong. That I had "a sense of entitlement". That I had a drinking problem and was a rapist. It took a lot of mental fortitude to remove blame from myself. I relate more with this guy's case than even a lot of the others out there, because unlike UVA this is more about many cases of "modern rape". Modern rape is where everything is broadened to include things like making out and groping or repeatedly hitting on girls as rape. He had sex with the main crazy bitch, she didn't like it. These other two girls had weird drunken interactions with the guy they didn't like. He was probably "a bit sketchy", and "bit of a perv" about it. Most people like to play the nice guy card and continue sleeping with these girls. He was probably a horny drunk who went for a kiss.

To the main point, yes teach this guy more game. teach him about being careful with drunk hookups in college. Not because they are wrong, or he is at fault. But because an unfair system will target him for it. In fact if he had been even a bit more aggressive with the girls, but was a sweet athlete bro and not a poor immigrant, then the girls would probably not gone after him in this way. these "feminists" are the most elitist people out there and the biggest supporters of caveman patriarchy in a way.

Paul Nungesser, man, ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. You've done nothing wrong...except being raised into a feminist.

On the last point of suing the college and the girls. yes he should absolutely do this. Why? Because his name is already out there. At this point he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. If his name were not out there, he would be hesitant because he would not want his family to know about this. I still haven't sued my bullies for mainly this reason alone.

 

[Lemmo]

Let me see if I understand you here. Are you arguing that the false-rape accusation trend has reached such overwhelmingly epidemic proportions that multiple accusations now have literally zero probative value? That having three girls accuse you of sexual assault doesn't muddy the waters even a bit? That's a very extreme position.

Yes, my position is that when these multiple accusations (i) take place at a university, (ii) are brought forward at the same time as though part of an agenda, (iii) involve accusers who clearly have a greater agenda or who are obviously exploiting their supposed victimhood for SJW points, (iv) are against a middle class, scholarship winning, Ivy Leaguer with no previous history of crime or mental illness, (v) when the hearings of even the kangaroo courts at a university are decided in his favor and (vi) no criminal charges are filed - I'm going to say the mere presence of multiple accusations has no probative value.

I guess I'm "extreme" in that I require evidence, not just the rantings of 22 year old feminists. Again, if you think these sorts of schemes aren't concocted by activists, you haven't been paying attention (the fact that the allegations all came within days of each other didn't raise red flags?).

 

[TheWastelander]

If the bitches don't go to the police with the accusation, it's a lie. If the bitches go to the police and they laugh them out of there, it's a lie. If the bitches go to the university and the fucking kangaroo court laughs them out of there, it's most definitely a lie.

 

[monster]

There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

 

[TheWastelander]

There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

 

[Dusty]

In Salem in the 1690s, there were people burned at the stake because multiple accusers came forward and said they were witches.

We learned later the multiple accusers were wrong.

 

[Duke Castile]

I agree with Seamus. He was doing something wrong. I doubt he was doing what the girls describe, but he was obviously doing something NOT right to have three girls hate his guys enough to find each other and plot against him.

This situation is a combined result of a) over-entitled feminist students and b) bad game.

For his own sake, hopefully this guy improves his game to not be such an asshole.

Exactly my point.
[/quote]

He's German, he's analytical. His mistake is not addressing the needy and crazy emotions of entitled women who are prepped to fall into victimhood at any moment.

Followed a girl up the stairs? That's a crime? It gives the idea like he was waiting in the shadows for a girl to walk up stairs alone. Does "follow" mean "walked right behind her when they were walking home from a party or function"?

Perhaps pulled her to him by the waist? What's fondled? She decided this was a crime AFTER she spoke to the "rape victim". She decided he did something after this girl claimed he raped her and doesn't want him to "get away with it" so she adds her bullshit version of her encounter to bolster the other report.

Same with the other girl.

My bullshit detector tells me if there was an opportunity for this guy to do several offenses on several different occasions then she was seeing this guy on purpose. It wasn't an issue until she met one or two other girls that were "assaulted".

This guy hasn't had any problems before nor since.

What you're doing is exactly what these feminists are doing, making assumptions on news reports that are biased.

The untold story is this normal guy had the misfortune of going to a school with socially maladjusted womynists.

 

[Aurini]

Paul Nungesser, man, ITS NOT YOUR FAULT. You've done nothing wrong...except being raised into a feminist.

Word.

As responsible men who pursue self-improvement, we always start with the question "What did I do to get myself into this situation? How can I change that in the future?" That's an absolute given, and I'm sure Nungesser has been over this 100 times in his head, but we need to remember what sort of world we're living in.

As Aaron Clarey said, "It's not your fault."

When GDP contracts at 3.8%, it doesn't matter how good of an employee you are, demand for your firm's product, and thus labor goes down. The company cannot keep you on, not because you're not pulling your own weight, but because there just isn't demand for your labor.

The exact same thing goes for women (I believe he had a post on that, but I can't find it): you played the game, built yourself up, treated others well, stayed out of prison, and you can't find a wife? Yeah, learning Game might help - but at the end of the day IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.

With the campus political climate being what it is, Nungesser could have run perfect Game and avoided all the obvious crazies, and still wound up in this situation. With these girls, it's not just what you do that matters, it's what you make them think of. Does your body language remind her of an ex-boyfriend? Rapist. Does your vernacular include a word that a scary rapist said on a movie in 1988? Rapist. Did she have a nightmare that you raped her? Rapist.

That is all it takes with some of these women; that is literally all.

All the Game in the world won't protect you against a woman who falsely accuses you because of a dream, and as for spotting crazies - even at 33 years of age, having studied psychology as a hobby for most of my adult life, even I am not perfectly shielded against them.

These are college girls under no-stress with free food and an ego-affirming environment: trying to spot the signs of crazy are nearly impossible, it's the sort of thing that usually only manifests under stress.

Furthermore, you don't even need to sleep with these girls, touch these girls, or even speak to these girls to be falsely accused; this is evident by Number 2, whom he claims to have never touched (and I believe him).

There's quite a bit one can do to protect themselves against FRAs, but not armour is perfect. Given the utter nonsense in these accusations, I can't even see assigning him the blame of "Gotta stay away from crazy." He did nothing wrong here.

 

[heavy]

I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

 

[Lemmo]

There is no shortage of evidence just over the last couple of weeks that there are many feminists and mentally deranged people fabricating rape accusations out of thin air. There is zero reason to think he is guilty just because of the number of unsupported allegations against him. The accused's story - that this is collusion among some deranged girls - is much more likely than "bad game".

I agree that this situation escalated way, way beyond the point it should have due to rape culture and rape hysteria but this should be looked at as a case study what happens with bad game.

We no longer live in a culture where bad game just doesn't get you laid or it gets you ignored. We live in a culture where bad game can potentially get you arrested if it's too over-the top. There are social norms you have to follow and an element of respect for boundaries.

This guy sounds like an angry young man, a foreign exchange student from Germany who probably felt a bit isolated. He's probably wealthy & smart (it is Columbia) and due to the isolation felt as if he deserved the girls and acted overly entitled and overly aggressive. The girls were not interested and he kept pursuing creeper or caveman style.

Yes, this escalated way the point of where it should have due to collusion among the girls and their exaggeration. But lets not forget it takes a match to start a fire and this game used bad game.

There's a lesson to be learned from this about the risks of bad game. It would be remiss of me to say "so don't use bad game" because the only way you get good game is by learning from your bad game. But it goes to show the importance of reading signals and responding correctly to unfavorable cues to mitigate damage to yourself, especially true with caveman style bad game.

Just another reason why fathers & brothers owe it to their sons to teach them good game. Unfortunately not everyone has a family or friends who can do that.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

Exactly. The article says he is a scholarship winner from a family of moderate means so no evidence he is rich (not that it would be relevant anyway). No evidence to support the other assumptions. He seems like a high functioning guy - multilingual, degree in architecture from top ranked Uni, long term girlfriend, comes from an intact family. Some people start with an agenda and fill in the facts. As for me, I tend to dismiss the crazy girl dragging the mattress in the absence of facts to support her claims.

 

[Aurini]

With the evidence presented here, blaming this guy for having 'bad game' is the equivalent of blaming a woman, returning from a Christmas work function, slightly tipsy, and wearing something sexy but professional - for provoking her rape, since she chose public transit instead of paying for a cab.

I'll be the first to say "What did you THINK was going to happen?" to the woman who shows up blackout drunk, in a short-skirt, with no panties, to a Hell's Angel's rally - or to the guy who plies women with way too much alcohol, and then aggressively pursues them - but that isn't the case here.

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

:troll:

Well that's certainly one way to kill the discussion

I don't think this forum is the place to have a "discussion" about the merits of laughable collusion and lies -- lies so outrageous that they have been dismissed even by a college kangaroo court -- in the midst of an unprecedented and unprecedentedly evil rape hysteria campaign that can easily affect any one of us one day.

There should be zero tolerance for these outrageous lies. They have gone far beyond anything that can be countenanced with an affectedly calm and reasonable tone.

There has been so much endless cant about "rape" -- one hears it all the time -- that I think even guys on this forum (and I don't mean Seamus who is trolling) might have become a little desensitized to what an utter outrage it is. It's how the BIG LIE works.

There is no "rape", almost ever. It is a violent crime which is extremely, extremely rare -- even in lower classes, even in relatively dangerous neighborhoods. The idea that it occurs on college campuses, of all places, is an unspeakable outrage -- unspeakable!

It is an insult to one's very sense of reality.

Even the 6.1 per 1000 number is grossly misleading. It includes "rape" as well as "sexual assault"; guess what fraction of that constitutes actual "rape"? Certainly close to ZERO. And "sexual assault" can mean nearly everything -- it can mean a girl being lightly groped by someone at a party where everyone is drunk, or just imagining that this happened. What a terrible crime.

Yet everyone is talking about "rape", rape this, rape that, "rape culture". It is unbearable. Enough is f'ing enough. No tolerance for this evil garbage.

 

[monster]

I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

 

[Duke Castile]

I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

I think you're ignoring a certain biblical verse regarding a woman scorned.

 

[Slim Shady]

I feel TheWastelander's response applies to all of "the guy should improve his game" posts.

I seriously want to know how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape.

When groups of girls get together and hamsterize they don't go "we should report this guy to the police" with normal dudes. With alpha guys they go, "he's attractive, handsome, a real "catch." With Omegas they make fun of him and call him a loser and other rude jokes. With your average betas they go "he's nice but he's not my type." It's only under extreme circumstances - mostly likely someone overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole - that they are going to say "we should report this guy for sexual assault." Then the hamsterization begins and they make a mountain out of a molehill.

I am not NOT blaming the feminists. I absolutely think it's their fault. I also think its the fault of the college and the state to pandering to the bullshit feminism. But I don't think that the guy is not without error either. And I think it goes to show what can happen with bad game these days.

You are contradicting yourself completely.

For starters then this makes me "overly aggressive, perhaps violent, perhaps just a downright asshole". So thanks for that compliment.

I think you are more of a troll than Seamus, or just deluded and completely out of touch with reality. I implore you to take a break from the forum, go out into the world, and come back only after you have seen the light.

You guys are supposed to be "red pill"?

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Columbia. The American bastion of the original Social Marxists. Surprised?

The mattress itself is evidence she wasn't raped. 50 lb.? I'm willing to lay Vegas stakes that 25 lb. of that mattress was consensual, crystallized tingle juice.