The victim of Columbia's resident false accuser/psycho mattress girl speaks out.

[Seamus]

Ok, way too many posts to answer point by point now. Clearly I'm in the minority here, so this will be my last post in this thread.

First off, a lot of guys are arguing purely from emotion here, which is never a good look.

Seamus, you would be a terrible friend to have I think.

He was likely suicidal during this intense bullying. I'm sure at one point he was forced by the bullying, and by people like you, into BELIEVING that he had assaulted these girls. He has not.

Or Lizard of Oz, who uses "outrageous" and "evil" 10x in one post while claiming rape never happens, and has also called me a troll twice for disagreeing with him.

And why all this emotion and these ad hominem attacks? Because I made one basic (and I thought uncontroversial) proposition:

If as a (non-celebrity) man three different women are accusing you of something, at the very least you need to seriously re-tool your way of doing things.

It has nothing to do with sexual assault. Hell, if three people accused a guy of picking pockets I'd be equally suspicious. What's more likely, that he's a thief, or that three crazy people have decided to set out and ruin his life?

And again, I think the fact that this guy's life is ruined is terrible. I said so in my very first post. But just like the feminists screwed up by hitching their wagon to Jackie, we should be careful about automatically believing a guy who has managed to piss off three girls to the point they set out to ruin his life.

I think guys here are missing that there's a difference between attacking the "rape culture" hysteria and categorically believing every accused guy is automatically innocent.

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

 

[Slim Shady]

How can you make a rape to pick pocket analogy? Do you know that when the UVA scandal came out, a feminist chick got huge coverage for writing tweets about comparing "victims" of rape and people who had lost their wallet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...aming-culture-surrounding-sexual-assault.html

This shit was plastered all over social media. You really don't see how these analogies make no sense?

If I picked your wallet, there would be direct evidence in the form of a stolen wallet. And even if I were accused of being a pickpocket...it wouldn't be that big of a deal. I would be called a clepto at worst. With these false "rapes", there is no evidence, and the implications of a simple accusation are FAR worse.

In one case a man goes into a spiral of depression and social rejection. In the other...people just think he's a bit of a dick.

Of all the cases how do you choose this one, where the guy is CLEARED in a Kangaroo court as the one to make these points?

You MIGHT be a feminist troll.

 

[Lemmo]

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

Not to be discourteous, but this is a completely retarded statement. I gave a laundry list above of the reasons for not believing these accusations. You are arguing against a strawman, acting like A, B and C accused X of rape and everyone here said "no, rape charges are always false." There is a mountain of evidence in favor of the accused, no evidence in favor of the accusers, and the charges took place in an environment known to be favorable to false charges.

 

[Duke Castile]

Seamus is misstating things intentionally now on his last post in the thread.

No one here is arguing from a place of emotion except perhaps you.

Lizard is driving home these points because it's necessary not because he's emotional. That's ridiculous.

 

[Ensam]

Ok, way too many posts to answer point by point now. Clearly I'm in the minority here, so this will be my last post in this thread.

First off, a lot of guys are arguing purely from emotion here, which is never a good look.

Seamus, you would be a terrible friend to have I think.

He was likely suicidal during this intense bullying. I'm sure at one point he was forced by the bullying, and by people like you, into BELIEVING that he had assaulted these girls. He has not.

Or Lizard of Oz, who uses "outrageous" and "evil" 10x in one post while claiming rape never happens, and has also called me a troll twice for disagreeing with him.

And why all this emotion and these ad hominem attacks? Because I made one basic (and I thought uncontroversial) proposition:

If as a (non-celebrity) man three different women are accusing you of something, at the very least you need to seriously re-tool your way of doing things.

It has nothing to do with sexual assault. Hell, if three people accused a guy of picking pockets I'd be equally suspicious. What's more likely, that he's a thief, or that three crazy people have decided to set out and ruin his life?

And again, I think the fact that this guy's life is ruined is terrible. I said so in my very first post. But just like the feminists screwed up by hitching their wagon to Jackie, we should be careful about automatically believing a guy who has managed to piss off three girls to the point they set out to ruin his life.

I think guys here are missing that there's a difference between attacking the "rape culture" hysteria and categorically believing every accused guy is automatically innocent.

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

I hope you keep responding. I think it's important to have contrary points of view even if they're in the minority.

If the accusations had come from three women who didn't know each other then you might have a point. But they came from three women who knew each other and all three women made the accusations at the same time. Then two of the three women stopped participating in the process - including the one who's accusation was initially successful.

When a group of women know each other all you have to do is piss off one woman and you can incur the wrath of the whole group. I know because it's happened to me. A few years ago I hung out with a group that was mostly women. One night at a club one of the women came onto me pretty hard while we were dancing - she started grabbing my ass and trying to kiss me. I wasn't interested so I politely declined and thought nothing else of it. The next day she came up to me and said that the group had a problem with my behavior and that I was making the other girls feel uncomfortable. The rest of the girls backed her up - including one I'd known for over 10 years and had helped out when she was very ill - and I was forced out.

Although I'm clearly seeing events through the lens of my own experience my guess is he pissed of mattress girl and she got her friends to go along with her plan for retribution.

 

[KofiKingston]

I smell a pink-pilled :troll: or 2 on this board...

 

[runsonmagic]

God, what a nightmare for that poor guy.

Whenever I read an article like that I wonder what I'd do in the same position - or what that guy should do.

If I were him I'd lawyer up and come after her hard. Doesn't even matter if you win the case. Sue her, the university, her teachers - the point is to let them know you can't be bullied. It doesn't matter if you win, they'll back off. It won't escalate to the point where you can't even go to your own graduation.

There is an activists strategy known as "lawfare" - where you basically hit someone with as many suits as possible to drain there energy, money, and time. I'll bet he could get some activist lawyers who'd help him do this. He might not have raped her - but his lawyers should.

 

[TheWastelander]

God, what a nightmare for that poor guy.

Whenever I read an article like that I wonder what I'd do in the same position - or what that guy should do.

If I were him I'd lawyer up and come after her hard. Doesn't even matter if you win the case. Sue her, the university, her teachers - the point is to let them know you can't be bullied. It doesn't matter if you win, they'll back off. It won't escalate to the point where you can't even go to your own graduation.

There is an activists strategy known as "lawfare" - where you basically hit someone with as many suits as possible to drain there energy, money, and time. I'll bet he could get some activist lawyers who'd help him do this. He might not have raped her - but his lawyers should.

One of the really shitty parts about this is he's a German guy far away from home and going through all this mess. I doubt he has many friends here to support or encourage him.

 

[heavy]

I don't think Seamus or monster are trolling, I actually think there's a point to what they're saying about him maybe not having the best game (who does?), but I'll freely admit, if that was your takeaway after reading the story, I question your mental faculties.

There's a huge, glaring story here about a dudes life being ripped apart by lies.

Guy being falsely accused of rape and having his life torn apart, all endorsed by his college
and
Maybe he didn't have the best game ever

And you guys are focusing on the latter.

It's not whether this guy had perfect game or not, it's just that in light of everything else, "how you took that away from reading this article and the other shit that's been posted on the forum about Party Mattress's psycho owner and her regret rape" is appalling.

That's why I thought TheWastelander's response was so appropriate.

If you can't at least admit the possibility that a guy accused of sexual assault thrice over might be guilty, then you've drawn a line in the sand 99% of people won't get behind.

I second what Lemmo said. A retarded comment. This shit happens. Read history man. Women are deceptive. Beautiful, elegant, deceptive creatures. They have to be deceptive. Love them, but don't believe them.

In fact, their weakness is their inability to form really solid bonds between one another to propogate lies, but with the current state of our society, as noted in this specific example, the women didn't really have to form bonds and propogate the lie. They simply all reported "incidences" and went on with their lives, which was enough to deemed the kid guilty socially. Get these chics together and grill em threatening lawsuits or jail-time, and they'll squeel like a stuck pig.

Of course that won't happen, but until it does, it sucks for women who actually are raped, because we won't believe you.

 

[Ensam]

There is some value in questioning if the guy could have done anything differently and possibly avoided the charges.

Yes - society is fucked when it comes to unsubstantiated rape allegations against dudes. We can and should talk about ways to address that problem. On the other hand until sanity has returned there is a very real threat of getting caught up in this kind of bullshit and developing some social savvy could be a literal life saver.

Unfortunately in this particular case I'm not sure there's much we can learn from the details at hand. Perhaps if we saw the texts between him and mattress girl we'd have a better idea about why she was upset and what her state of mind was when she made the accusations but without any other information we're all just speculating.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

To Nungesser, the fact that campus hearings have a lower burden of proof than criminal trials and that he was not allowed to bring up communications between himself and Sulkowicz after the night in question, were proof that the process was biased against him. If despite those odds, the hearings resolved in his favor, how could anyone doubt that justice was served?

I would love to see those texts. My guess is they clear a lot of this nonsense up. In any case glad the dude came forward. Hopefully he can put this behind him.

He should publish the texts after graduation.

For clarification - this is a German high-potential student who got a full scholarship at Columbia from Germany. If you knew anything about the system there and the efforts needed to attain that then you would know that he is a total book-worm who sacrificed a lot to be there. Besides - rape on German universities is a total rarity - more akin to winning the lottery. Especially since students don't live on campus - besides - he had sex with 2 of the girls repeatedly anyway. Why should he rape them?

Also Columbia did not expel him, because likely the texts proved that there was no rape. The evidence must be overpowering for him, but the university cannot rock the boat against the comrades of the thought police.

After graduation he should come forward and get the full story including all texts published on a site like ROK - that will clear his name. His employers in Germany won't care shit about a rape allegation in the US. Rape hysteria has not reached most countries in the world.

They would actually have to physically attack him in his last months at school to really hurt him. And who knows if Mattress girl kills him, she will be put at house-arrest, because she suffered enough already. So far the mob rule has not cost him more than some bullying.


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[The Lizard of Oz]

Seamus is misstating things intentionally now on his last post in the thread.

No one here is arguing from a place of emotion except perhaps you.

Lizard is driving home these points because it's necessary not because he's emotional. That's ridiculous.

Thank you Fisto. Yes, it is necessary to drive home these points again and again.

But also: it is right and appropriate to show some emotion in the face of these dreadful lies. It is too easy to become numbed to them, because we are inundated with these lies all the time, day in day out. It is easy to assume that they're just par for the course.

If you do not, at least occasionally, allow yourself to truly feel to the bottom of your heart just how evil and outrageous -- yes, I'll use these words again -- these witch hunts are, then you do not really understand their nature.

One reason Emily Yoffe's Slate piece, for example, as valuable as it is, did not have the huge impact that it should have had is because it was written in an excessively reasonable and dispassionate tone. It did not truly open people's eyes. To do that, it is not enough to have facts and truth. You need to have them, but you also have to speak from the heart, and you have to call things what they are. You have to say: this is a witch hunt, it is wrong, it is an outrage. It must end immediately.

Nothing less is really understood by people, and they are right: if it is as terrible as you say, why aren't you speaking as if it matters? If you are just droning on, on the one hand, on the other hand, people will assume that it's just another "discussion" and they will stop listening.

If you feel the righteous emotion that you should feel in the face of these wicked lies, do not be afraid to express it. That does not mean that there is any need to be hysterical and out of control; but don't stifle the feeling. Let it be seen and heard through and behind your words.

 

[Lemmo]

He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait?

The university might suspend him, since they obviously saw the texts and forbid him to use it in the proceedings. First of all he is a docile obedient feminist student, so if they tell him to stay put, then he is going to. Besides - if he publishes the texts, then they know that it was him and they can still make his life miserable there - simply by not letting him graduate. Do you think that someone would speak out for him? He is a full scholarship student without any substantial funds to sue Columbia.

And WTF do I have to read here from those Seamus and Monster? This is Jezebel or puahate territory.

1. girl was a fuckbuddy - mattress girl
2. girl was nothing - he was supposed to have grabbed her buttocks (maybe since he never went upstairs)
3. girl was in a LTR with him and she claimed that he raped her repeatedly while being in a LTR (!) Even in the article it states that crap like that cannot fly, since such allegations only work in marriages, couples who have a mortgage, kids and obligations where a wife cannot up and leave. Why would she fucking return to him?

Now the manginas spread to RVForum. What's fucking next? Are the SJWs taking over here and we are being called rape-apologists?

You should spend a semester at a German university - a girl could be going around naked and drunk for 4 years and no one would rape her.

As far as 3 girls accusing him - that means jack shit - girls have a me-too mob mentality. And he likely broke up with 2 of them or did not want to commit to them. Also an important point - they rather forgive an arrogant Alpha with Game than a good-looking Beta, who only seemed to be Alpha. They rather pounce on the latter.

 

[Duke Castile]

He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

Print them on a flyer with a photo of her and her mattress standing there so solemnly then post the texts messages after the alleged rape under it and mass distribute it.

It may even get her bs thesis rejected.

 

[Lemmo]

He should publish the texts after graduation.

Why wait? If her texts reveal her insanity, it seems he could have defused this by distributing them across campus in some way. The university allows his accuser to carry around a mattress and publicize her allegations so I don't see that they'd have grounds to prevent him from making his story public.

Print them on a flyer with a photo of her and her mattress standing there so solemnly then post the texts messages after the alleged rape under it and mass distribute it.

It may even get her bs thesis rejected.

I'd suggest he make his thesis on "false rape allegations: a case study" but he is actually getting a real degree (architecture).

 

[The Lizard of Oz]

There is some value in questioning if the guy could have done anything differently and possibly avoided the charges.

Yes -- there is certainly value in talking about what guys can do to reduce the likelihood of being hit with false rape accusations (reduce, not eliminate it; nothing eliminates it, I don't care how great your game is). And there are many threads where this is discussed; as well there should be. And there will be more.

But that has nothing to do with writing things like these:

This case is a tough one.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this guy were guilty of something.

But pretending like three sexual assault accusations from three different women isn't a bad sign is delusional at best.

But that's not the same as saying this guy is unequivocally guiltless either, and I don't think we should go that far. The waters are muddy like they are in all of these cases, since there's rarely any physical proof one way or the other.

I restate my considered judgment:

:troll:

 

[Roosh]

Seamus has been given a 3 day ban. He will be monitored closely for pushing SJW propaganda on the forum.

 

[AntiTrace]

feminist and their rape hysteria have only causes me to do two things.

1. http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/p...r+hidden+camera.do?sortby=bestSellers&from=fn. record everything. if I ever have a rape claim i have solid evidence. I could care less if its not admissible in court. I'm assuming the bitch will drop the charges when she realizes what I have in my possession. If she doesnt, and I still can't use it in a court...well I just may have a "whoops" and leave it on a USB in a random cafe where some scrupulous stranger may upload it to every single porn site imaginable.

2. I never delete phone numbers or conversations. I also back my phone up every so often to avoid losing pictures/texts that could be lost by a stolen phone or an accidental drop.

 

[Easy_C]

If I may indulge in a little pop psychology here, we know that women instinctively hate the stink of betatude that hangs around male feminists like a cheap and cloying aftershave.

That's actually consistent with my experiences and observations. Actual masculine males rarely are accused of "rape" resulting from petty hookup drama. Instead women tend to latch on to them as a source of narcisstic supply, and they will let those men fuck em in the ass in order to feed that ego. They wouldn't ever accuse them of "rape", because they know that doing so would cut them off from their narcissistic supply.


For the OP, I'm just wondering why the hell he hasn't sued Emma for defamation. Lord knows he's been damaged enough to justify it.

And yeah, they gay may very well be a creep. That's not the same thing as a rapist.