The Virginia thread
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RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
Unconstitutional, but there's the tricky interim period between it being legislated and it being struck down (theoretically, though who knows these days).
The Virginian Democrats are really pushing to ignite a civil war. Is this TDS or some part of the elite's strategy?
Unconstitutional, but there's the tricky interim period between it being legislated and it being struck down (theoretically, though who knows these days).
The Virginian Democrats are really pushing to ignite a civil war. Is this TDS or some part of the elite's strategy?
Thomas Jackson
Woodpecker
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
Well it hasnt passed, but sure looks like it will. Agree will be struck down, but some men I know have bought several rifles as the market value will be going way up as this moves along. Northern Virginia controlling the entire state is a huge problem.
Well it hasnt passed, but sure looks like it will. Agree will be struck down, but some men I know have bought several rifles as the market value will be going way up as this moves along. Northern Virginia controlling the entire state is a huge problem.
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
More than 100 Virginia cities, counties declare themselves gun sanctuaries - NY Post | Dec. 21, 2019
More than 100 Virginia cities, counties declare themselves gun sanctuaries - NY Post | Dec. 21, 2019
Abelard Lindsey
Woodpecker
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
I see a lot of right wing paranoia over this, about how the governor will set up roadblocks and cut off peoples' electricity in an attempt to take their guns away. If this bill passes, which is likely, there will be a court injunction against its' enforcement until judicial review. This bill is most certainly unconstitutional (SCOTUS has been ruling in favor of gun rights for the past 10 years or so) and will be found so. That will be the end of the story on this.
Trump has used the distraction of impeachment as a golden opportunity to appoint lots and lots of Federal judges. For example, the 9th circuit court was turned conservative last well. This, of course, is good for the 2nd amendment.
I see a lot of right wing paranoia over this, about how the governor will set up roadblocks and cut off peoples' electricity in an attempt to take their guns away. If this bill passes, which is likely, there will be a court injunction against its' enforcement until judicial review. This bill is most certainly unconstitutional (SCOTUS has been ruling in favor of gun rights for the past 10 years or so) and will be found so. That will be the end of the story on this.
Trump has used the distraction of impeachment as a golden opportunity to appoint lots and lots of Federal judges. For example, the 9th circuit court was turned conservative last well. This, of course, is good for the 2nd amendment.
Easy_C
Peacock
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
@Leonard-
Look at some of the Us veterans groups discussing this online.
TLDR is that they’re so delusional that they actually believe everyone in the military is going to just blindly enforce this and don’t understand that the National Guard ARE those people with the huge assault rifle collections.
@Leonard-
Look at some of the Us veterans groups discussing this online.
TLDR is that they’re so delusional that they actually believe everyone in the military is going to just blindly enforce this and don’t understand that the National Guard ARE those people with the huge assault rifle collections.
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
I keep hearing this and other "military is on OUR side" comments but I'm not so sure. why would they risk their livelihood if Virginia is not even their home state?
The left is doing a Trump move. Big ask with a three pronged assault rifle ban, red flag laws, and gun registration. With the push back the left will moderate their stance so only one of the laws is enforced and abandon the other 2 for the time being. Wait until other states turn blue and do the same. Then push for more gun restrictions until you get mandatory gun confiscation situation like Australia had. Today's Americans will line up to hand in their guns as it is the "right thing to do". Prove me wrong America.
Easy_C said:
I keep hearing this and other "military is on OUR side" comments but I'm not so sure. why would they risk their livelihood if Virginia is not even their home state?
The left is doing a Trump move. Big ask with a three pronged assault rifle ban, red flag laws, and gun registration. With the push back the left will moderate their stance so only one of the laws is enforced and abandon the other 2 for the time being. Wait until other states turn blue and do the same. Then push for more gun restrictions until you get mandatory gun confiscation situation like Australia had. Today's Americans will line up to hand in their guns as it is the "right thing to do". Prove me wrong America.
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
The Virginia National Guard is comprised of Virginia residents, most of whom are from the red parts of the state and are the exact people that these laws are aimed against.
[email protected] said:
The Virginia National Guard is comprised of Virginia residents, most of whom are from the red parts of the state and are the exact people that these laws are aimed against.
VNvet
Kingfisher
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
Gun confiscations, mass shootings (they're all fake), and the Democrat party all seem like the biggest advertisement for gun companies.
The same people that own the gun companies own everything else in our Jewed out society.
What a cohencidence.
Most people already give away their children's' future to avoid being called a racist, and can't handle even the smallest hint of discomfort... And you're telling me these same people are going to lead a revolt against the government? Or face a court martial?
Please.
I doubt the elites are scared about taking guns - that's just a cope from gun owners and likely disinfo to make people feel like the country is on the right path as we get looted and genocided.
Yeah, the military isn't on our side. No government employees are on our side - can't serve two masters. I take it a step further: I generally don't trust military/government veterans, especially the career guys - it's often a cover for intelligence at worst. At best they're the kind of guys that will gladly inform on you.
I'm sure southerners in 1860 thought that the US military would never kill an American. Well, they did. That was with a 100% American military, too!
People will do anything when faced with a court martial. Though the military rarely needs to take things that far; soldiers are trained to blindly follow orders.
Gun confiscations, mass shootings (they're all fake), and the Democrat party all seem like the biggest advertisement for gun companies.
The same people that own the gun companies own everything else in our Jewed out society.
What a cohencidence.
Most people already give away their children's' future to avoid being called a racist, and can't handle even the smallest hint of discomfort... And you're telling me these same people are going to lead a revolt against the government? Or face a court martial?
Please.
I doubt the elites are scared about taking guns - that's just a cope from gun owners and likely disinfo to make people feel like the country is on the right path as we get looted and genocided.
[email protected] said:
Yeah, the military isn't on our side. No government employees are on our side - can't serve two masters. I take it a step further: I generally don't trust military/government veterans, especially the career guys - it's often a cover for intelligence at worst. At best they're the kind of guys that will gladly inform on you.
I'm sure southerners in 1860 thought that the US military would never kill an American. Well, they did. That was with a 100% American military, too!
People will do anything when faced with a court martial. Though the military rarely needs to take things that far; soldiers are trained to blindly follow orders.
Easy_C
Peacock
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
As ably spoken by someone who hasn’t been in the military.
It isn’t a binary equation. The reality of the military that most don’t quite grasp is that there’s a huge gap between the officers you see on TV because those are the sycophantic, toxic assholes who succeed I the bureaucracy.
The careerist types actually would. If you get a more inflamed situation there’s a fairly significant chance that most of the people who actually do the fighting (company grade enlisted and non-careerist junior officers) would refuse to comply and there were some units in New Orleans that did not do so.
As ably spoken by someone who hasn’t been in the military.
It isn’t a binary equation. The reality of the military that most don’t quite grasp is that there’s a huge gap between the officers you see on TV because those are the sycophantic, toxic assholes who succeed I the bureaucracy.
The careerist types actually would. If you get a more inflamed situation there’s a fairly significant chance that most of the people who actually do the fighting (company grade enlisted and non-careerist junior officers) would refuse to comply and there were some units in New Orleans that did not do so.
VNvet
Kingfisher
RE: Gun confiscation bill passes in Virginia
Everyone says that in peace time. Things are often different when you're facing a court martial. But yes, I'm sure a lot of the white soldiers would defect in an extremely inflamed situation AND with an actual resistance movement that could support them (very, very important). At the moment, resisting will simply get you put in military prison.
That one unit in NOLA, by sheer coincidence, was a military intelligence unit from Utah. They probably put the story out to show that you can still support the troops.
They don't even bother hiding it anymore.
Here's the Staff Sergeant's interview with Oath Keepers.
Easy_C said:
Everyone says that in peace time. Things are often different when you're facing a court martial. But yes, I'm sure a lot of the white soldiers would defect in an extremely inflamed situation AND with an actual resistance movement that could support them (very, very important). At the moment, resisting will simply get you put in military prison.
That one unit in NOLA, by sheer coincidence, was a military intelligence unit from Utah. They probably put the story out to show that you can still support the troops.
They don't even bother hiding it anymore.
Here's the Staff Sergeant's interview with Oath Keepers.
Douglas Quaid
Kingfisher
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
I see the fruit loops in Northern Virginia are doing their thing. I really hate the DC area.
I see the fruit loops in Northern Virginia are doing their thing. I really hate the DC area.
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
I made my guess clear in the CW2 thread. Make laws. Threaten raids. People thump chests about resistance to raids. Raids never happen but laws remain. No resistance because no raids.
If the idiots try and enforce this stuff violently then I expect the police and the military will fall in line but do their job half-assed at best in the hope that the citizenry will vent their wrath on the legislators rather than the jackboots.
Hopefully people have stopped being idiots and can see past killing thousands and thousands of fellow patriots rather than dealing directly with that tiny handful of tyrant traitors.
I made my guess clear in the CW2 thread. Make laws. Threaten raids. People thump chests about resistance to raids. Raids never happen but laws remain. No resistance because no raids.
If the idiots try and enforce this stuff violently then I expect the police and the military will fall in line but do their job half-assed at best in the hope that the citizenry will vent their wrath on the legislators rather than the jackboots.
Hopefully people have stopped being idiots and can see past killing thousands and thousands of fellow patriots rather than dealing directly with that tiny handful of tyrant traitors.
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
I do not think you could find a single officer in the US military who would disobey an immoral order. Remember just a couple of years ago when the US Army bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan and shelled it for a long period of time with C-130's, all while the docs were on the phone to Army HQ asking them to call it off? After some face-saving press conference, the Army sent in some tanks to demolish what was left of the buildings that were still useful for treating patients, which was the essential problem because those international docs treated everyone and anyone who asked, and did not refuse "terrorists".
Is the Virginia or Texas or [fill in the blank] national guard any different? I seriously doubt it. All those state guards have been incorporated into the globo-homo military and done tours, and either participated in or had to silently witness atrocities of some scale or another, which does corrupt and compromise you.
The soldiers will follow orders.
Outside of the major cities, maybe some police forces would disobey. Maybe.
I do not think you could find a single officer in the US military who would disobey an immoral order. Remember just a couple of years ago when the US Army bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Afghanistan and shelled it for a long period of time with C-130's, all while the docs were on the phone to Army HQ asking them to call it off? After some face-saving press conference, the Army sent in some tanks to demolish what was left of the buildings that were still useful for treating patients, which was the essential problem because those international docs treated everyone and anyone who asked, and did not refuse "terrorists".
Is the Virginia or Texas or [fill in the blank] national guard any different? I seriously doubt it. All those state guards have been incorporated into the globo-homo military and done tours, and either participated in or had to silently witness atrocities of some scale or another, which does corrupt and compromise you.
The soldiers will follow orders.
Outside of the major cities, maybe some police forces would disobey. Maybe.
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
Ascendant empires always find willing executioners and assassins. I've heard first hand accounts of some of the fucked up things US troops have done to foreigners and those weren't draftees either.
The problems arise attempting to find those executioners and assassins in a descendant empire where there's little reward and lots of risk. There's no such thing as "going home after your tour" when you're tasked with killing people inside your own borders. Inevitably some will and some won't. All of us were young and dumb enough at some stage to be hoodwinked into shit like this if we didn't have anyone to tell us better.
My guess is that the brass are busy drawing up long lists with names like Sanchez and Garcia to press into new outfits. People that will have a considerably diminished empathic response with the Virginian locals.
Goodman and Smith will be used alternately to quell uprisings in non-white areas after enough Garcias and Sanchezs come home in body bags.
Never forget that population control, particularly against alpha male warrior lines, is one of the elite's primary goals. That's one of the main reasons for all these pointless foreverwars where the whole budget gets spent on a few planes while the grunts get to ESAD just badly enough not to give the game away to the next bunch of glory seeking fools.
Ascendant empires always find willing executioners and assassins. I've heard first hand accounts of some of the fucked up things US troops have done to foreigners and those weren't draftees either.
The problems arise attempting to find those executioners and assassins in a descendant empire where there's little reward and lots of risk. There's no such thing as "going home after your tour" when you're tasked with killing people inside your own borders. Inevitably some will and some won't. All of us were young and dumb enough at some stage to be hoodwinked into shit like this if we didn't have anyone to tell us better.
My guess is that the brass are busy drawing up long lists with names like Sanchez and Garcia to press into new outfits. People that will have a considerably diminished empathic response with the Virginian locals.
Goodman and Smith will be used alternately to quell uprisings in non-white areas after enough Garcias and Sanchezs come home in body bags.
Never forget that population control, particularly against alpha male warrior lines, is one of the elite's primary goals. That's one of the main reasons for all these pointless foreverwars where the whole budget gets spent on a few planes while the grunts get to ESAD just badly enough not to give the game away to the next bunch of glory seeking fools.
The Black Knight
Pelican
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
Every person in the military takes the following oath:
Furthermore, you are NOT obligated to follow UNLAWFUL orders in the military. A lot of people seem to think you HAVE TO follow all orders. Not true. Only LAWFUL orders.
The way I see: If someone orders a military person to violate a citizens 2nd Amendment rights, that military person is perfectly within their legal right to disobey that order.
Here's hoping someone is brave enough to take the first step and hold the line when the moment comes.
Every person in the military takes the following oath:
Furthermore, you are NOT obligated to follow UNLAWFUL orders in the military. A lot of people seem to think you HAVE TO follow all orders. Not true. Only LAWFUL orders.
The way I see: If someone orders a military person to violate a citizens 2nd Amendment rights, that military person is perfectly within their legal right to disobey that order.
Here's hoping someone is brave enough to take the first step and hold the line when the moment comes.
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
Regarding the video above with Steward Rhodes of the Oathkeepers and the sergeant who refused to confiscate guns in Katrina, that sergeant is not part of Oathkeepers and the refusal was during a flood without much pretext for the confiscation. Before and since we have seen extensive examples of more compelling pretexts of shooters and terrorists, and there are other slightly larger scale scenarios that have been rehearsed and exhibited in the past 30 years that they could use to help persuade soldiers to follow orders.
Maybe I missed it, but I really have not seen anything from Oathkeepers on active duty refusing immoral orders. I do not have substantial expectations for them to be an obstacle based on what they say, nor on the 3%rs, etc.
What are they waiting for? You can refuse an immoral order on a lot of occasions. I'm not trying to shame them or Rhodes, just saying that this is typical of what you can expect in the future for active duty military refusing orders. It will not happen. Or really, if it did, they would simply be court-martialed quickly, in secret if necessary, and replaced with willing Americans or foreigners.
Globo-homo and its military are ready. The enemy is fully prepared. I do not believe physical resistance is the solution because it is impossible for us to organize and there are very few people who will actually stand.
I think the God pill is the only solution. Like the Bible says, we fight principalities and dark forces, ie., not people. In addition to guns and butter, prepare by becoming a soldier for Christ.
/end sermon
Regarding the video above with Steward Rhodes of the Oathkeepers and the sergeant who refused to confiscate guns in Katrina, that sergeant is not part of Oathkeepers and the refusal was during a flood without much pretext for the confiscation. Before and since we have seen extensive examples of more compelling pretexts of shooters and terrorists, and there are other slightly larger scale scenarios that have been rehearsed and exhibited in the past 30 years that they could use to help persuade soldiers to follow orders.
Maybe I missed it, but I really have not seen anything from Oathkeepers on active duty refusing immoral orders. I do not have substantial expectations for them to be an obstacle based on what they say, nor on the 3%rs, etc.
What are they waiting for? You can refuse an immoral order on a lot of occasions. I'm not trying to shame them or Rhodes, just saying that this is typical of what you can expect in the future for active duty military refusing orders. It will not happen. Or really, if it did, they would simply be court-martialed quickly, in secret if necessary, and replaced with willing Americans or foreigners.
Globo-homo and its military are ready. The enemy is fully prepared. I do not believe physical resistance is the solution because it is impossible for us to organize and there are very few people who will actually stand.
I think the God pill is the only solution. Like the Bible says, we fight principalities and dark forces, ie., not people. In addition to guns and butter, prepare by becoming a soldier for Christ.
/end sermon
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
It can be both. Islam wasn't driven out of Europe by evangelising.
It can be both. Islam wasn't driven out of Europe by evangelising.
VNvet
Kingfisher
RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia
Someone should have told that to General Sherman and his men when they burned Atlanta, and a decent amount of Georgia's infrastructure, to the ground.
Also, what happens when they change the definition of terrorist to include conservatives? Or anyone that opposes the government? The gay agenda? Owns a gun?
That would make them a domestic enemy (terrorist), and therefore it would be a legal order.
The Black Knight said:
Someone should have told that to General Sherman and his men when they burned Atlanta, and a decent amount of Georgia's infrastructure, to the ground.
Also, what happens when they change the definition of terrorist to include conservatives? Or anyone that opposes the government? The gay agenda? Owns a gun?
That would make them a domestic enemy (terrorist), and therefore it would be a legal order.