The Virginia thread

[CynicalContrarian]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

From earlier in the month :


"A Virginia Sheriff promises if gun control passes in Virginia, he will screen and Deputize Law Abiding citizens as sworn Law Enforcement Officers, so they can purchase and possess whatever firearms they want. Pray for him, because he may not understand the target he is painting on his back."

https://www.secondamendmentdaily.co...ands-of-citizens-to-protect-their-gun-rights/
https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-12-07-2019/

 

[VNvet]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

The Virginian Democrats are really pushing to ignite a civil war. Is this TDS or some part of the elite's strategy?

Strategy. The feds want to keep the action near DC. Most of it will be manufactured anyway, so it's easier in that way too.

Most of Civil War 1's battles were fought in Virginia because the Confederate chose Richmond (100 miles from DC) as a capital over Montgomery because they didn't want to make it too difficult for the Union to capture the capital, I guess. The official explanation isn't very convincing. Atlanta or Opelika would have made more strategic sense than Richmond.

Also, it's odd that all the Confederate leadership served little to no prison time or were pardoned.

Confederate VP Alexander Stevens eventually became Governor of Georgia. General Nathaniel Bedford Forrest started the KKK. Most of them started businesses.

Most countries kill or imprison rebels, but not the US!

That's besides the point.

They want to keep this in Virginia.

More than 100 Virginia cities, counties declare themselves gun sanctuaries - NY Post | Dec. 21, 2019

Not really surprised by the counties on the list, just look at how close they are to DC or what federal buildings they contain.

"A Virginia Sheriff promises if gun control passes in Virginia, he will screen and Deputize Law Abiding citizens as sworn Law Enforcement Officers, so they can purchase and possess whatever firearms they want. Pray for him, because he may not understand the target he is painting on his back."

Kind of reminds of Brazil where it seems every self-defense shooting involves an "off-duty police officer."

Law enforcement are the only people that can legally carry a gun outside their house in Brazil.

 

[Easy_C]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

What are they waiting for? You can refuse an immoral order on a lot of occasions. I'm not trying to shame them or Rhodes, just saying that this is typical of what you can expect in the future for active duty military refusing orders. It will not happen. Or really, if it did, they would simply be court-martialed quickly, in secret if necessary, and replaced with willing Americans or foreigners.

Even most "red pillers" don't understand how this actually works. The only power they have are things that exist only on paper. The right has all the civilian guns and most of the combat people in the army are right leaning, as well as the veterans and national guard types being overwhelmingly right wing gun nuts.


I can emphasis this Because I've met some of these people. Yes, they actually are that dumb to where they think whatever decree they've issued will mindlessly be followed because almost all of them are either corporate elites or lawyers who have been used to operating inside systems their entire lives where everyone is meekly obedient to and reverent of paper authority.

My guess is that the brass are busy drawing up long lists with names like Sanchez and Garcia to press into new outfits. People that will have a considerably diminished empathic response with the Virginian locals.

That's why they're pushing so hard to "diversify" the US military. It isn't entirely working because those types tend to gravitate towards cushy office jobs in support functions (and disproportionately in the Air Force).

Is the Virginia or Texas or [fill in the blank] national guard any different? I seriously doubt it. All those state guards have been incorporated into the globo-homo military and done tours, and either participated in or had to silently witness atrocities of some scale or another, which does corrupt and compromise you.

I WAS a Guardsman before going active. The Guard is far, far, less likely to do something like this than is the active army because most of them ARE those gun collecting, assault rifle fetishizing, local-oriented rednecks that this bill tagets.

What they don't understand, and apparently quite a few people on the right don't, is that Dems are expecting the people being harmed by this bill to also be the ones enforcing it.

Besides which I think even if nothing happens the optics have been made clear: The right now understands that the left has no effective enforcement arm that can deal with any kind of organized non-cooperation.

Not really surprised by the counties on the list, just look at how close they are to DC or what federal buildings they contain.

I've seen the map. It looks like most of them are on the Western side of the state with some coastal. As far as federal buildings I think you'll find that the federal government is so massive that almost every county in the US has them.

Ascendant empires always find willing executioners and assassins. I've heard first hand accounts of some of the fucked up things US troops have done to foreigners and those weren't draftees either.

Here's something else to consider: Keep in mind that the Democrats are bought and paid for significantly by foreign interests. It is entirely possible that one of those interests is deliberately trying to incite them towards a civil conflict and there's a lot of them that want the US out of global economic leadership. Most notably, the Chinese. Them and the other entities (some previously mentioned here some not) have a lot to gain by supporting anything that accelerates civil conflict.

But also keep in mind the left elite doesn't NEED to be pushed or "masterminded" into this. We're seeing this with things like the panicked reactions and hysterical proclamations of the ADL that have popularized anti-semitism to a degree actual neo Nazis could only have dreamed of. The left instinct when they feel threatened is to hysterically double down on threats and shaming and that instinct inevitably drives them towards behaviors like threating to send in the national guard, go door to door for confiscations, or advocate dropping nuclear bombs on gun owners.

 

[Thomas Jackson]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

These bills are already being watered down and will have grandfather clauses added. They will not go anywhere near using National Guard or confiscation. At least not yet. Think the protests will be interesting though, as things move along, I see an early Tea Party like vibe of old boomers turning out in masses. Hopefully it becomes more useful than the tea party ultimately was, but that did lead to the 2010 election sweeps so at least we can hope for something similar to drive turnout in 2020.

 

[Dr. Howard]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Every person in the military takes the following oath:

"I,____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"

Furthermore, you are NOT obligated to follow UNLAWFUL orders in the military. A lot of people seem to think you HAVE TO follow all orders. Not true. Only LAWFUL orders.

Someone should have told that to General Sherman and his men when they burned Atlanta, and a decent amount of Georgia's infrastructure, to the ground.

Also, what happens when they change the definition of terrorist to include conservatives? Or anyone that opposes the government? The gay agenda? Owns a gun?

That would make them a domestic enemy (terrorist), and therefore it would be a legal order.

Bad comparison, for two reasons

1. The rhetoric leading up to the civil was was insane. An equivalency would be sending democrats after Trump supporters. This is sending the military after gun owners, the propaganda hasn't polarized the two sides as being non-human.

2. Sherman's destruction of Atlanta was towards the end of the war, when you have few years of wartime atrocities under your belt you can justify about anything under the guise of revenge or paying the other side back for what they did to 'our boys'

If anything, it would be like a fort sumter. It would be a long period of standoff broken by one shot.

There is a modern equivalent to look for instead of the civil war, look at how the Malheur Wildlife refuge standoff went down, then look at how the Bundy Ranch standoff went down.

One thing that would make this really intense, really fast, is if when they had the first gun confiscation standoff, if 2nd amendment elements from OUT of state came in to support the standoff-ers like what happened with the bundy ranch. VA would have to call the national guard in at that point and what then?

 

[jordypip23]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

I see the fruit loops in Northern Virginia are doing their thing. I really hate the DC area.

If only there were a way for the DC metro area to secede & split off from the rest of Virginia.

 

[beta_plus]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

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Ascendant empires always find willing executioners and assassins. I've heard first hand accounts of some of the fucked up things US troops have done to foreigners and those weren't draftees either.

Here's something else to consider: Keep in mind that the Democrats are bought and paid for significantly by foreign interests. It is entirely possible that one of those interests is deliberately trying to incite them towards a civil conflict and there's a lot of them that want the US out of global economic leadership. Most notably, the Chinese. Them and the other entities (some previously mentioned here some not) have a lot to gain by supporting anything that accelerates civil conflict.

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It's worth noting that both the USSR's and Russia's have tried for decades to cause a civil war, usually a race war, in the USA. China would love the same thing. It would cripple the US Navy, which would allow Russia to reconquer lands that would provide them with stable borders. With no 7th fleet, China could make a play to have unfettered access to the world's oceans, probably by making the Philippines and large sections of Africa vassal states.

 

[VNvet]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

I've seen the map. It looks like most of them are on the Western side of the state with some coastal. As far as federal buildings I think you'll find that the federal government is so massive that almost every county in the US has them.

Yes, of course.

I should have been more specific. Arlington (Pentagon) and Fairfax (Langley) aren't 2A sanctuary cities.

There is a modern equivalent to look for instead of the civil war, look at how the Malheur Wildlife refuge standoff went down, then look at how the Bundy Ranch standoff went down.

It's more telling to look at the punishment the organizers, and belligerents in the incident, than the event itself.

A federal judge dismissed all charges against the Bundy's and Payne. One thing I've learned from this thread, the US doesn't like prosecuting rebel leaders!

You'd think that the Bundys and Payne would be serving life in prison for an armed takeover of federal property. I mean, stealing mail can get you 5 years in federal prison. Not paying your taxes can get you even more time.

The belligerents in the incident were all all militias:

Oath Keepers, 3 Percenters, Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA), White Mountain Militia, Praetorian Guard, and other militias.

We know that all the famous militias are run by feds or have been infiltrated by feds, so it was a fed vs fed standoff.

I still can't believe people fall for these incidents involving militias.

 

[Hermetic Seal]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Does anybody really believe that a heavily-armed hillbilly militia is going to wage guerilla war against the government coming to get their guns? I don't.

The memes are funny and all, but living in the Deep South as someone from elsewhere (Texas), I have yet to see one bit of evidence that the tough-guy deep south bro persona is anything other than an act. It's all bark, no bite, just a fashion statement like jacked-up four-door Jeep Wranglers with aftermarket angry face grilles. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised when most, if not all, obediently hand over muh gunz. I don't think they're going to use muh gunz for jack squat, short of the full-scale doomsday prepper apocalyptic survivalist wet dream where it's "acceptable" to shoot feral diversitrons rushing at their homestead, 90s arcade game Area 51 style.

The problem is that there's a lot of "gray area" between legal gun ownership and societal collapse where I doubt anyone is going to fight back. Ruby Ridge seemingly debunked that decades ago, along with Bundy Ranch. I doubt that the average southern gunbro has the aggression and fighting spirit of, say, a Mexican drug cartel thug or Taliban insurgent.

On the other hand, it's just as likely that this law doesn't get enforced, especially outside of large urban areas, so it might be a moot point anyway.

 

[The Resilient]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Every person in the military takes the following oath:

"I,____________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God"

Furthermore, you are NOT obligated to follow UNLAWFUL orders in the military. A lot of people seem to think you HAVE TO follow all orders. Not true. Only LAWFUL orders.

Someone should have told that to General Sherman and his men when they burned Atlanta, and a decent amount of Georgia's infrastructure, to the ground.

Also, what happens when they change the definition of terrorist to include conservatives? Or anyone that opposes the government? The gay agenda? Owns a gun?

That would make them a domestic enemy (terrorist), and therefore it would be a legal order.

Bad comparison, for two reasons

1. The rhetoric leading up to the civil was was insane. An equivalency would be sending democrats after Trump supporters. This is sending the military after gun owners, the propaganda hasn't polarized the two sides as being non-human.

2. Sherman's destruction of Atlanta was towards the end of the war, when you have few years of wartime atrocities under your belt you can justify about anything under the guise of revenge or paying the other side back for what they did to 'our boys'

If anything, it would be like a fort sumter. It would be a long period of standoff broken by one shot.

There is a modern equivalent to look for instead of the civil war, look at how the Malheur Wildlife refuge standoff went down, then look at how the Bundy Ranch standoff went down.

One thing that would make this really intense, really fast, is if when they had the first gun confiscation standoff, if 2nd amendment elements from OUT of state came in to support the standoff-ers like what happened with the bundy ranch. VA would have to call the national guard in at that point and what then?

That's when the war would go extremely hot

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

You can safely ignore even a pitched battle between a group of law enforcement and angry citizens as being a flashpoint for something bigger. Even people as close as 500 yards away will treat it as "something that's happening over there, and good luck with all that".

When uninvolved authorities are targeted or a politician or two get knocked off then you have ball game on your hands.

That's why there was such a huge load of hoopla around the BLM shooter and the subsequent copycats whose attacks were reported quickly and quietly or not at all (unless you really had your finger to the pulse). The powers that be will do their best to keep a lid on any rebellion by refusing to give it coverage because they fear the brushfire effect. I predict that even assassinated politicians where possible will be reported as "suffering a serious health problem" for several days before they're reported as having "died in surgery due to complications".

That's a ball that the elites are going to be determined to prevent gaining momentum. They know the coverage of Dorner was a huge mistake and they've learned from that.

 

[Aurini]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

You can safely ignore even a pitched battle between a group of law enforcement and angry citizens as being a flashpoint for something bigger. Even people as close as 500 yards away will treat it as "something that's happening over there, and good luck with all that".

When uninvolved authorities are targeted or a politician or two get knocked off then you have ball game on your hands.

That's why there was such a huge load of hoopla around the BLM shooter and the subsequent copycats whose attacks were reported quickly and quietly or not at all (unless you really had your finger to the pulse). The powers that be will do their best to keep a lid on any rebellion by refusing to give it coverage because they fear the brushfire effect. I predict that even assassinated politicians where possible will be reported as "suffering a serious health problem" for several days before they're reported as having "died in surgery due to complications".

That's a ball that the elites are going to be determined to prevent gaining momentum. They know the coverage of Dorner was a huge mistake and they've learned from that.

They endlessly report any and every school shooter, with utter disregard for the predictable copy cats.

But the many political shootings of BLM were swept under the rug.

 

[VNvet]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Does anybody really believe that a heavily-armed hillbilly militia is going to wage guerilla war against the government coming to get their guns? I don't.

The memes are funny and all, but living in the Deep South as someone from elsewhere (Texas), I have yet to see one bit of evidence that the tough-guy deep south bro persona is anything other than an act. It's all bark, no bite, just a fashion statement like jacked-up four-door Jeep Wranglers with aftermarket angry face grilles. I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised when most, if not all, obediently hand over muh gunz. I don't think they're going to use muh gunz for jack squat, short of the full-scale doomsday prepper apocalyptic survivalist wet dream where it's "acceptable" to shoot feral diversitrons rushing at their homestead, 90s arcade game Area 51 style.

Correct.

The whole "Southern guns" thing is another consumerist trap. It's the Southern equivalent of Star Wars or Marvel Comics. The whole Mud Life thing with the lifted Jeep and camo everything is in a similar vein.

They have a flavor of consumerism for everyone!

Here are some clips of a military/FBI takeover of US streets, which is nothing but conditioning and normalization. I say military/FBI because there is practically no difference in their behavior nor appearance.

On the other hand, it's just as likely that this law doesn't get enforced, especially outside of large urban areas, so it might be a moot point anyway.

The feds will figure out a way to enforce the law IF they have enough power projection. They could send in the FBI, DHS, or pull federal funds (ex. raising the drinking age). However, I predict that the feds will lose the ability to project power due to diversity AND an overall distrust of the media. This waning power projection is likely why they want to keep the early action somewhat near to DC.

 

[Easy_C]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Had a thought on this one:

The backdrop of this post is that there's some decently credible rumors going to the effect that Northam has convened a group of advisors to figure out a way to shut down communications in 2nd amendment sanctuary counties

Yes. I think they WILL try to enforce it.

Here's why, and my reason why is based both an understanding of left wing instincts and my own experiences interacting with people in that class.

We're long past dealing with rational actors at this point. Keep in mind Northham is the dude who even in the 80's thought it would be a good idea to be running around with blackface. These guys aren't evil masterminds for the most parts. They're insecure, rich, fuckheads with a massive inferiority complex who have an extremely focused skillset of weaseling through bureacratic institutions to gain power.

Look at Ralph's Bio. He's an Army medical core guy and VMI alum. I've known a shitload of those careerist, back office types (many from VMI) and most of them are sleazy bureaucrats who secretly despise and envy their more capable brethren who actually care capable of effectively participating in and leading combat operations.

I have linked this article many times. If you have not read it do so now because it essential to understanding the mindset of people like Northam: https://johntreed.com/blogs/john-t-...ournament-or-how-america-selects-its-generals


Put yourself in the shoes of someone with his character. All he's thinking about right now is that his power is being challenged and threatened. To someone in that perspective what matters is that you immediately quash any such flagrant challenge to your power to send the message across as to who is really in charge. As is the case in every other state he also actually thinks that the ass kissing generals that make up 99% of his interaction with the guard (remember...I'm speaking from experience as a guardsman and NOT making ignorant conjecture) actually reflect the organization as a whole. He himself has been kissing ass so long that between his own ass kissing and spending all his time around ass kissers it would never even occur to him that someone might tell the system to go fuck itself.

How this actually pans out remains to be seen. One thing that I think is generally poorly understood about the right, Especially the types who don't spend their time hanging out online is that they can organize extremely quickly in a pinch. And that said it isn't "militias" or the like you need to worry about.

 

[Tom Slick]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

If they push ahead with significant numbers of red flags or do much confiscation, it will be a big mistake for Northam. He's getting greedy and can not win this fight at this time in this way. The only way he could win is if he provokes an armed response and the perception of it is managed properly in his favor, otherwise he will lose. I really have to think he's been getting calls from Council on Foreign Relations types over the past several days advising him to go more slowly and carefully.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

The problem with the whole "right wingers can organise when required" type thinking is that this isn't a bake sale to save the local library. Nobody is organising against a state or federal government, cleaning house and then going back to their normal life.

Once it starts it doesn't stop. If Johnny Appleseed thinks he can spit in the eye of the beast on Saturday and go back to work on Monday he's deluding himself. This is the entire reason the Left organises and pushes the envelope perpetually while the Right has to rely on maybe finding the balls to fight back in one big push. Because most on the left have little to lose while the Right knows that once the proper fighting starts then it doesn't end until one side is thoroughly defeated.

Suffice to say everyone with a dog in this fight should be stocking up on a lot of supplies and an off-site location to store them. And if you visited it even once with your phone in your pocket then choose another spot and start over. That's how serious this game is.

 

[aeroektar]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

The problem with the whole "right wingers can organise when required" type thinking is that this isn't a bake sale to save the local library. Nobody is organising against a state or federal government, cleaning house and then going back to their normal life.

Once it starts it doesn't stop. If Johnny Appleseed thinks he can spit in the eye of the beast on Saturday and go back to work on Monday he's deluding himself. This is the entire reason the Left organises and pushes the envelope perpetually while the Right has to rely on maybe finding the balls to fight back in one big push. Because most on the left have little to lose while the Right knows that once the proper fighting starts then it doesn't end until one side is thoroughly defeated.

Suffice to say everyone with a dog in this fight should be stocking up on a lot of supplies and an off-site location to store them. And if you visited it even once with your phone in your pocket then choose another spot and start over. That's how serious this game is.

There are a lot of obstacles due to technology. Notice that all new phones don't allow you to remove the battery, so turning it off doesn't mean shit, the phone is still transmitting data, especially if someone wants it to.

Everyone should have a back up or main phone from a few generations back when batteries were removable.

Modern vehicles present another huge issue, too much connectivity and fly by wire technology. They can be controlled externally and turned into weapons to be used against anyone certain people don't like.

I drive a 2006 suv, and I'll continue to buy older vehicles if the need arises. If I owned a new car I'd locate the networking guts and be ready to tear them out need be.

 

[Easy_C]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Yeah, but the action they’re considering is shutting down the cell phone networks entirely. In that case it becomes a moot point because the cellphones aren’t working anymore

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

Yeah, but the action they’re considering is shutting down the cell phone networks entirely. In that case it becomes a moot point because the cellphones aren’t working anymore

They're not going to just flip a switch that shuts off the entire cellular network. I'm sure they have contingency systems to shut down user access while keeping the ability to ping your phone or turn it into an unwilling audio/video transmission device. They're assholes but they're not neanderthals.

Granted that's deep state level but regardless of what contempt you hold these state level operators in, I assure you they still answer to higher powers than themselves. They're not going to start a local war without higher backing, and that means the full gamut of deep state cyber-warfare.

 

[Tom Slick]

RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia

If they push ahead with significant numbers of red flags or do much confiscation, it will be a big mistake for Northam. He's getting greedy and can not win this fight at this time in this way. The only way he could win is if he provokes an armed response and the perception of it is managed properly in his favor, otherwise he will lose. I really have to think he's been getting calls from Council on Foreign Relations types over the past several days advising him to go more slowly and carefully.

I meant that Mister Blackface Moonwalking Baby-comforting Northam would lose the public relations battle if he pushes this now. As soon as a few Sheriffs came together to put up a press conference of resistance, they would win without any physical or violent action.

Northam needs to get George Soros to fund some primaries against the current 80+ Sheriffs who will oppose gun confiscation and replace them with some short-haired, plaid-clad ones, as well as some lefty D.A.'s, like those Soros has funded into being and elected around the USA, who don't believe POC's should be prosecuted for theft or many other crimes.

Not sure how many counties would need to get turned, maybe just a few close to D.C. where they could begin enhanced common sense gun regulations. That might only take a year or two.