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<blockquote data-quote="Leonard D Neubache" data-source="post: 1292470" data-attributes="member: 11069"><p><strong>RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Real Americans can and I think <em>will</em> flip the table when they get sufficiently pissed off. And I say Real Americans quite specifically. Regardless of where <em>most </em>Americans were born or what passport they hold, they're not Real Americans. Hell, I'm more American than most Americans FWIW, which is not much.</p><p></p><p>You have to start learning about civil wars, what drives them, how they play out, who wins them and why.</p><p></p><p>Then you have to make educated guesses as to why this one might be different, to what extent, and why.</p><p></p><p>Here's an example of same/different analysis.</p><p></p><p>In civil wars the power grid is always a prime target for the non-state actors. That's the "same". The "different" is that the US is not some backward South American shithole were society is already premised around electricity constantly dropping out <em>anyway</em>. Seriously hamper the efforts of the state to keep the grid up and the whole ridiculous operation begins to grind to a halt.</p><p></p><p>Why do civil wars start? Fundamentally it's always the same thing. A certain subgroup in the country (Real Americans in this case) no longer see an acceptable future for themselves or their children under the current arrangements. This criteria is being met as we speak, even under a nominally Republican president supposedly supporting the very people that are ready to "throw down". </p><p></p><p>Now you can advise people to leave but that's a temporary measure at best. Nobody with an account here is getting a pass when the tyranny goes global. Back in the days of Stalin people were lined up and shot on the mere rumor they muttered something bad about dear leader during their fifth hour in the bread line. In many cases their wife, sons and daughters were killed too. You may not respect the fact that rebellion has a genetic component but the elites are not so gullible. They know well which members of the herd need to be culled one way or another which is precisely why they're trying to do it right now without spooking said herd into rushing the fence line. </p><p></p><p>So for all these reasons it is <strong>very</strong> prudent to have supplies in an offsite position. For all the people saying "better just to leave" there's a surprising number of people who think that they're going to have all the time in the world to do that at their leisure, with all their wealth no less. Meanwhile guys like Roosh who've been pulled out of line at airports and even had a plane they were on turned around mid-flight understand quite well that assumptions about free travel in the future are laughable. Your plan to simply leave might not be viable in a week. It might not even be viable this very second. Most people on no-fly lists only find out about it when they're already in the jaws of the beast (the airport).</p><p></p><p>So, yes. Unless you're already out of country it's <strong>very</strong> prudent to have supplies, because you don't know when the hammer is going to come down and how broad it's impact will be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonard D Neubache, post: 1292470, member: 11069"] [b]RE: Gun confiscation bill proposed in Virginia[/b] Real Americans can and I think [i]will[/i] flip the table when they get sufficiently pissed off. And I say Real Americans quite specifically. Regardless of where [i]most [/i]Americans were born or what passport they hold, they're not Real Americans. Hell, I'm more American than most Americans FWIW, which is not much. You have to start learning about civil wars, what drives them, how they play out, who wins them and why. Then you have to make educated guesses as to why this one might be different, to what extent, and why. Here's an example of same/different analysis. In civil wars the power grid is always a prime target for the non-state actors. That's the "same". The "different" is that the US is not some backward South American shithole were society is already premised around electricity constantly dropping out [i]anyway[/i]. Seriously hamper the efforts of the state to keep the grid up and the whole ridiculous operation begins to grind to a halt. Why do civil wars start? Fundamentally it's always the same thing. A certain subgroup in the country (Real Americans in this case) no longer see an acceptable future for themselves or their children under the current arrangements. This criteria is being met as we speak, even under a nominally Republican president supposedly supporting the very people that are ready to "throw down". Now you can advise people to leave but that's a temporary measure at best. Nobody with an account here is getting a pass when the tyranny goes global. Back in the days of Stalin people were lined up and shot on the mere rumor they muttered something bad about dear leader during their fifth hour in the bread line. In many cases their wife, sons and daughters were killed too. You may not respect the fact that rebellion has a genetic component but the elites are not so gullible. They know well which members of the herd need to be culled one way or another which is precisely why they're trying to do it right now without spooking said herd into rushing the fence line. So for all these reasons it is [b]very[/b] prudent to have supplies in an offsite position. For all the people saying "better just to leave" there's a surprising number of people who think that they're going to have all the time in the world to do that at their leisure, with all their wealth no less. Meanwhile guys like Roosh who've been pulled out of line at airports and even had a plane they were on turned around mid-flight understand quite well that assumptions about free travel in the future are laughable. Your plan to simply leave might not be viable in a week. It might not even be viable this very second. Most people on no-fly lists only find out about it when they're already in the jaws of the beast (the airport). So, yes. Unless you're already out of country it's [b]very[/b] prudent to have supplies, because you don't know when the hammer is going to come down and how broad it's impact will be. [/QUOTE]
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