Given that Vivek Ramaswamy is 3rd or even 2nd in many US Presidential polls, I thought it would make sense to create a separate thread here. Even I didn't take him seriously until about a month or so ago, but it doesn't seem he's going anywhere and he likely will end up in some type of cabinet or maybe even VP candidacy under Trump. So I waited to create the thread.
What I would sincerely request is to please keep the Hindu trolling or any kind of identity politics out of this thread. That trolling comes across tryhard and reveals childlike behavior which adds no value. Also, the dude didn't grow up in India, so a bunch of posts about India make no sense unless he makes India part of his platform. His actual background (from reality) and what he did do though should be totally up for debate or discussion. Honestly, it's also hard to notice any valuable posts in between the trolling. Again, this is a request, not a mandate. It's Roosh's forum after all.
That said, I'm not trying to come across as a fan boy. There is plenty of legitimate criticism on him and I'll even outline it below. Actually that's the reason I created the thread. I want him to be scrutinized as much as possible given he popped out of nowhere and surged almost exponentially.
Another disclaimer, believe it or not, is that I am Hindu, an immigrant (legal) and a military Veteran who has been in tough enough situations including a combat zone (not hand to hand and didn't kill people). I earned my US citizenship through military service. I know, this seems made up, but it's not. I've met many people on the forum who know me. Just putting it out there so you know who I am.
Pros:
- Top of the country in smarts and extremely articulate
- Policy proposals make sense for the most part
- Very successful businessman
- Against the deep state, unjust prosecutions and NOT a neo-con
- Openly supports Trump and stands up for him when others don't
- Openly supports Judeo-Christian values
- Doesn't believe in wars and meddling in Ukraine
Cons:
- No political experience
- Came out of nowhere
- Many arguments about him being a Manchurian candidate in the vein of Obama (see below video)
- Much controversy about his pharma background and failed drugs
- Controversy regarding how he may have manipulated the market to sell shares before failure of his company
- Soros funding (although this was a scholarship from Paul Soros' foundation and Paul has been dead for a decade)
- May be anti-Israel although this may be taken out of context
- Coming across cocky and arrogant in first debate which may hurt him with older voters
This video is only available on Facebook unfortunately but makes some interesting "anti" Vivek points. I see some weird patterns from the video but not sure if they can be explained away yet.
Edit: the video link doesn't appear to work. The facebook channel is called Red Pill Pharma and the commentator's name is Matt Kim.
So a few things from the video. The media isn't really trying to cancel or attack him despite his talking points being aligned with Trump's or even DeSantis', who by comparison face more attacks. Although, this may be due to Trump being such a hated figure by the Uniparty. It also may be true because the media didn't take him seriously before. The anti Vivek media since the debate has been significantly higher actually.
He attacks Blackrock, Vanguard, Teachers unions etc but appears to be invested in them. This is not verified except for what's said in the video so it's worth taking a look at.
The Soros connection is also mentioned and that's just fake news. So is the news about him scrubbing Wikipedia only because the stuff they say is scrubbed is there right now if you go on his page. However, these points keeping getting repeated by conservatives that don't know any better.
Anyways, looking forward to a lively discussion.
What I would sincerely request is to please keep the Hindu trolling or any kind of identity politics out of this thread. That trolling comes across tryhard and reveals childlike behavior which adds no value. Also, the dude didn't grow up in India, so a bunch of posts about India make no sense unless he makes India part of his platform. His actual background (from reality) and what he did do though should be totally up for debate or discussion. Honestly, it's also hard to notice any valuable posts in between the trolling. Again, this is a request, not a mandate. It's Roosh's forum after all.
That said, I'm not trying to come across as a fan boy. There is plenty of legitimate criticism on him and I'll even outline it below. Actually that's the reason I created the thread. I want him to be scrutinized as much as possible given he popped out of nowhere and surged almost exponentially.
Another disclaimer, believe it or not, is that I am Hindu, an immigrant (legal) and a military Veteran who has been in tough enough situations including a combat zone (not hand to hand and didn't kill people). I earned my US citizenship through military service. I know, this seems made up, but it's not. I've met many people on the forum who know me. Just putting it out there so you know who I am.
Pros:
- Top of the country in smarts and extremely articulate
- Policy proposals make sense for the most part
- Very successful businessman
- Against the deep state, unjust prosecutions and NOT a neo-con
- Openly supports Trump and stands up for him when others don't
- Openly supports Judeo-Christian values
- Doesn't believe in wars and meddling in Ukraine
Cons:
- No political experience
- Came out of nowhere
- Many arguments about him being a Manchurian candidate in the vein of Obama (see below video)
- Much controversy about his pharma background and failed drugs
- Controversy regarding how he may have manipulated the market to sell shares before failure of his company
- Soros funding (although this was a scholarship from Paul Soros' foundation and Paul has been dead for a decade)
- May be anti-Israel although this may be taken out of context
- Coming across cocky and arrogant in first debate which may hurt him with older voters
This video is only available on Facebook unfortunately but makes some interesting "anti" Vivek points. I see some weird patterns from the video but not sure if they can be explained away yet.
Edit: the video link doesn't appear to work. The facebook channel is called Red Pill Pharma and the commentator's name is Matt Kim.
So a few things from the video. The media isn't really trying to cancel or attack him despite his talking points being aligned with Trump's or even DeSantis', who by comparison face more attacks. Although, this may be due to Trump being such a hated figure by the Uniparty. It also may be true because the media didn't take him seriously before. The anti Vivek media since the debate has been significantly higher actually.
He attacks Blackrock, Vanguard, Teachers unions etc but appears to be invested in them. This is not verified except for what's said in the video so it's worth taking a look at.
The Soros connection is also mentioned and that's just fake news. So is the news about him scrubbing Wikipedia only because the stuff they say is scrubbed is there right now if you go on his page. However, these points keeping getting repeated by conservatives that don't know any better.
Anyways, looking forward to a lively discussion.
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