The Vivek Ramaswamy Thread

[Max Roscoe]

In many Asian cultures, if you defraud the sick and elderly, you are despised and placed at the lowest social tier, where even common criminals look down on you (the way child molesters are viewed in American prisons), and in the most extreme cases expected to commit suicide.

I"m not that familiar with India, and I certainly don't expect Vivek to commit hari kari, but it takes quite some hubris to go to a foreign country and abuse its people that way and have no fear of repercussions. Typically the only people who act this way are Jews.

Imagine being a real journalist, and spending weeks or perhaps months investigating and writing a story about this guy almost a decade ago, only to find him running for the office of president as if none of it ever happened. Are any major media outlets reporting on this story?

It is truly an inverted, Satanic country that operates this way. And it is truly an overrun, occupied nation that allows foreigners to come in and steal and kill its most vulnerable (see also: the Sackler family).

By the way, the Salem Witch Trials were largely just vigilante justice operations against what we would today call lesbians. Lesbianism wasn't even highly sexualized until perhaps the last 2 decades--"lesbians" in contrast to male gays, were mostly just spinsters and those who rejected marriage and family and it often had little to do with same sex attraction.

In the witch trials, it's likely that some innocent people got caught in the rage of the mob, as it's likely that happened in lynchings as well, but in both cases the typical cause was someone who had committed a crime against society that people were outraged about.

Edward Dutton has a book on witchcraft and "witches" didn't mean people with supernatural powers, but people who were subverting social norms and mores. Lesbianism and Gayness didn't really exist until the past few decades--before that they were simply viewed as people acting on an immoral urge, the same way any other temptation to sin is viewed. It has been normalized and called a lifestyle that people celebrate just as the former deadly sin of gluttony is also now defended as a lifestyle, in a means to encourage and have "Pride" (another deadly sin), thereby stacking sin on sin.

 

[GuitarVH]

I"m not that familiar with India, and I certainly don't expect Vivek to commit hari kari

I believe in India it's called "hurry curry".

 

[Redcrosse]

It is a repost from the other thread, details the Vivek Ramaswamy stock scam. Warning :language



Dude is a billionaire from buying a fake drug, promoting it saying it’s real and in the final testing phases and even got his mom(a doctor ) to participate and make a fake study that the Alzheimer’s drug is working before finally announcing the drug doesn’t work and never will work, but not before dumping the stock to make over a billion dollars. He almost certainly had help from hedge funds to maximize his profit on this. How is any of this legal?

Well most of Congress gets rich off of the stock market so… yeah that’s legal as well

I’ll refrain from posting another enlarged meme of the Hindu happy merchant because it totally would complete the story, it sure seems like Vivek *is* the real life version of the Hindu happy merchant:

He’s put out a response video:



To be fair — he may or may not turn out to be a big grifter (like Trump?) — but I don’t think that attack video is the killshot it initially looked to be. I wish I could find it again, but somebody in the comments linked to a video from a few years ago where Vivek was delivering a talk in which he openly admitted the Alzheimer’s drug was a bust. So it’s not like he’s made a secret of any of this, he’d already gone around giving talks where he admitted the drug was a failure. His claim was that the subsequent drugs his company developed for various conditions DO work and that’s the basis of his fortune.

I don’t see how this video destroys him when he himself had already publicly disclosed the drug didn’t work. But he insists his other drugs do work.

If I would criticize him for anything, it would be on different grounds — it would be for believing a better drug or a pill is the answer to health problems and the solution to diseases is to develop more and more pharmaceuticals. But that’s a belief most people seem to share.

Of course, he ends his video by walking back anything negative he ever said about Israel. Like every candidate, he turns out to be Israel’s biggest friend in the world.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Edward Dutton has a book on witchcraft and "witches" didn't mean people with supernatural powers, but people who were subverting social norms and mores. Lesbianism and Gayness didn't really exist until the past few decades--before that they were simply viewed as people acting on an immoral urge, the same way any other temptation to sin is viewed. It has been normalized and called a lifestyle that people celebrate just as the former deadly sin of gluttony is also now defended as a lifestyle, in a means to encourage and have "Pride" (another deadly sin), thereby stacking sin on sin.

Glad I was the only person on here who was familiar with this.

Here's a great speech on the topic that is very very funny.

 

[eradicator]

He’s put out a response video:



To be fair — he may or may not turn out to be a big grifter (like Trump?) — but I don’t think that attack video is the killshot it initially looked to be. I wish I could find it again, but somebody in the comments linked to a video from a few years ago where Vivek was delivering a talk in which he openly admitted the Alzheimer’s drug was a bust. So it’s not like he’s made a secret of any of this, he’d already gone around giving talks where he admitted the drug was a failure. His claim was that the subsequent drugs his company developed for various conditions DO work and that’s the basis of his fortune.

I don’t see how this video destroys him when he himself had already publicly disclosed the drug didn’t work. But he insists his other drugs do work.

If I would criticize him for anything, it would be on different grounds — it would be for believing a better drug or a pill is the answer to health problems and the solution to diseases is to develop more and more pharmaceuticals. But that’s a belief most people seem to share.

Of course, he ends his video by walking back anything negative he ever said about Israel. Like every candidate, he turns out to be Israel’s biggest friend in the world.

It’s worth mentioning Vivek has 2 lawsuits against him but both are apparently pretty weak



Vivek has been over promising what his bio companies are delivering but not really that different than what other execs are doing by going on Jim Kramer’s show and trying to hype up their stock.

Still a snake oil salesman and is good at trying people what they want to hear whether they’re voters or investors. I’m not buying.

 

[Easy_C]

I'm curious what the sources of the fund money were. Given the nature of the drug in question I suspect it was royalty financing.

Keep in mind too that the customer often isn't the "customer" if you're in finance. Odds are better you're trying to develop the asset and then flip it over to someone like Blackrock for a big payoff.

The due diligence of institutional investors is extremely lacking. For the most part the large private equity firms are hiring people from investment banking (which in turn means rich kids with ivy League finance degrees) and zero real world management or leadership experience in their sector. It's often not that difficult to get them to buy a awful business if the pitch deck perfectly conforms to their norms and they can verify some pretty numbers.


Gonzalo Lira covered this in the back third of his "Why American elites are betas and psychopaths" video.



For him, my biggest red flag psychologically is that he's tripping my "too smooth" alarm. He's extremely similar to some slick talkers we had in business school and they weren't great people. Although to some extent this criticism also applies to Trump

 

[Redcrosse]

For him, my biggest red flag psychologically is that he's tripping my "too smooth" alarm. He's extremely similar to some slick talkers we had in business school and they weren't great people. Although to some extent this criticism also applies to Trump

This is a fair criticism i think. The “too smooth” thing is a valid point. We need to trust our gut. At the same time, though. that attack video made him sound like another Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos and I don’t think the factual record bears that out. He’s been delivering talks long before now where he openly disclosed the failure of the Alzheimer’s drug — always followed of course by talking up the value of the other drugs he developed. Unless those other drugs are also proven failures I don’t think that attack takes him down — it might even backfire on the content creator behind the attack.

 

[GuitarVH]

This is a fair criticism i think. The “too smooth” thing is a valid point. We need to trust our gut. At the same time, though. that attack video made him sound like another Elizabeth Holmes/Theranos and I don’t think the factual record bears that out. He’s been delivering talks long before now where he openly disclosed the failure of the Alzheimer’s drug — always followed of course by talking up the value of the other drugs he developed. Unless those other drugs are also proven failures I don’t think that attack takes him down — it might even backfire on the content creator behind the attack.

I guess I will have to take a look at them to be fair though I really don't want to. The gut thing tells me not to trust him at all. I am definitely rooting against him. Even if he's not a criminal by the letter of the law, selling at the top while the drug is biting the dust is pretty immoral and conman-like. Plus knowing that he was being pushed for stardom at least since college, adds to my wariness. No matter what I find out at this point, I just can't go for this guy but I agree it's important to be as accurate as possible with criticism or praise.

 

[It_is_my_time]

The longer this guy can stick around, and say things like this, the better for all of us. Go Vivek, you are doing great work.

 

[get2choppaaa]

The longer this guy can stick around, and say things like this, the better for all of us. Go Vivek, you are doing great work.

I don't trust him but he is nailing the messaging.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I don't trust him but he is nailing the messaging.

Yep, sometimes we just have to accept the messenger is flawed, but at least part of the message is beneficial and do what we can with it.

 

[Blade Runner]

Yep, sometimes we just have to accept the messenger is flawed, but at least part of the message is beneficial and do what we can with it.

Hmm ... I've heard that somewhere else before, I wonder where ...

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Obviously Vivek has zero chance of getting elected either on his own or as Trump's VP due to election fraud, but say he did and then Trump died of old age and he became the president.

Would it be such a disaster to be ruled over by a foreigner? The USA is already ruled by foreigners (Jews), how much worse could it get?

 

[GuitarVH]

Would it be such a disaster to be ruled over by a foreigner?

Yes.

The USA is already ruled by foreigners (Jews), how much worse could it get?

A lot.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Opinions may differ, but I'd rather worship cows than pedophiles.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Obviously Vivek has zero chance of getting elected either on his own or as Trump's VP due to election fraud, but say he did and then Trump died of old age and he became the president.

Would it be such a disaster to be ruled over by a foreigner? The USA is already ruled by foreigners (Jews), how much worse could it get?

The president has zero power anyway. So, at this point in time, might as well make the clown world as obvious as possible. First a pedophile with dementia, and next a foreigner with all sorts of questionable ties. What better could we ask for to help wake up the masses?

 

[eradicator]

The president has zero power anyway.

No man. The President is commander in chief of the armed forces and we can and probably will end up in a hot war with Russia at the rate we are going .

 

[It_is_my_time]

No man. The President is commander in chief of the armed forces and we can and probably will end up in a hot war with Russia at the rate we are going .

The president doesn't start a new war or end an existing war without approval from...

Wall Street, who in turn owns...

Literally the companies who produce and supply our military. Good luck starting a war without their approval.
Literally the entire mass media, good luck saying "no" to a war and then the media hammering you nonstop day after day.
Literally the deep state apparatus. You have broken a law, you didn't know it, now you will find out the hard way.

This system must collapse and be rebuilt again to prevent this perversion of our way of life.

When you see the Wall Street big three own literally everything in the west and control all the levers of power, then you truly see how deep, evil and corrupt the system is top to bottom.

We are in peak clown world, everyone is starting to notice and that is our best weapon. People checking out, no longer caring, Atlas is shrugging and the elites have overplayed their hand. Let the foreigner bring in millions of his own and start a pointless war, or let the satanic left start a new war. Good luck finding anyone to fight in it for you. Come try to kidnap our kids and drag them off to the war.

 

[Blade Runner]

Keep in mind too that the customer often isn't the "customer" if you're in finance. Odds are better you're trying to develop the asset and then flip it over to someone like Blackrock for a big payoff.

Easy gets it. Yes.

In a sense, and if you've seen my multitude of posts here which are neither here nor there, but basically to ground people in what we are actually talking about - we're arguing about a bunch of nothing. There's no white knight coming in. The system isn't set up that way. In his defense, if he is actually a decent dude who actually does have some crafty designs, you know what he'd have to do? Exactly what he has done so far, then try to change things or stab people in the back in the end. While that might get him (Julius) Caesar treatment, no one here would be able to celebrate him until that moment. Even the haters would only know on death that he was trying to do something good and sacrifice himself. This is the point most people are missing here.

For me, his rise is just a reminder of the scammy system and fake Wall St stuff we have, but what were his other options? Yes, one was to not pursue a big time $ life, but then by definition we wouldn't know who he is. I hope most of you understand what I'm saying here.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

There's no white knight coming in.

I've tried to humble my ego many times throughout my life, and the thought that always comes back is that there is no making things right. Once something is lost, it's gone forever. The only thing we can do is keep moving forward. So people who support Vivek are both right and wrong at the same time. They're right that he might make some positive changes, hypothetically, they're wrong to expect redemption. That's how the mind gets you. You waste away thinking about the past, hoping for the future, and neglecting the present. So people who want a savior have to ask themselves, What do you want to be saved from? I look around and see problems that are unfixable. Problems that people just endure. Who is to say they will not endure further? How can there be a brighter future if the present does not facilitate it? I'm an accelerationist not because I think we're doing things the wrong way politically, but because I think the whole system is irredeemable. When it comes to politics, people focus too much on the symptoms.

We've got people who mythologize the power of the populace. If only we could get people to see the truth, they say, even though it's not hard to bear witness to it. Well, the epiphany here is that you and I are the political solution to our own problems. If we choose to just live in the present and take the yoke put on us however we can, not only will we be able to live with dignity, but we might inspire others to do the same. That yoke is being part of the system, a gear in their machine. Which group in the United States got it right? The Amish never sought a political solution, but their lives were not in vain after all. People often forget how heroes are born; they're not born out of suffering; they're born out of necessity. Is it necessary to save the West? Is that what people project with their behavior?