The Vivek Ramaswamy Thread

[eradicator]

Obviously Vivek has zero chance of getting elected either on his own or as Trump's VP

I’d say you haven’t been paying attention. Biden had no shot at winning the nomination in 2020 until all of the other candidates dropped out and before Super Tuesday and supported him .

If the Swamy gets support from elites ,(they love irts like the prime minister of the uk) he could easily find himself in a similar position if the Republican Party decides to actively screw Trump and Desantis support fizzles

But I don’t know how far Vivek can go, he isn’t conservative at all and I doubt he was ever a registered Republican

 

[Easy_C]

1- He won't get the support without switching to a pro world war 3 stance like everyone else.

2- The last paragraph is, again, like Trump.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Make the argument then.

People fight for sovereignty, you want to give it away. I would rather be ruled by the mentally challenged than have foreigners come tell me they’re establishing a “color blind meritocracy”. How is a multicultural meritocracy any different from what we have now?

I also noticed that Indians are getting a lot of top positions and even taking over industries. I’m sure there’s no funny business here, their identity clearly doesn’t matter. Must of been the meritocracy. Wait, am I racist for noticing?

I'm talking purely a hypothetical binary choice between Vivek and someone like Biden or Nancy Pelosi who claim to be Catholic yet make a public mockery of the faith by supporting abortion, gay "marriage", closing churches during covid, using the power of their offices to persecute Christians etc while wrapping themselves in the flag of the faith and making a public show of receiving the Eucharist from weak pastors. Obviously neither is ideal, I'm just saying I think the latter is worse.

 

[thedesperado]

No man. The President is commander in chief of the armed forces and we can and probably will end up in a hot war with Russia at the rate we are going .

You both have a point.

The President has to contend with corporations like Blackrock, the press, and the MIC.

But the President still is CIC. The President has to be mentally sharp to be able to make decisions such as launching nuclear strikes or ordering a counterattack. Problem is current President appears to be mentally impaired. If our nuclear armed enemies were to be emboldened we as a civilization could be doomed.

 

[eradicator]

You both have a point.

The President has to contend with corporations like Blackrock, the press, and the MIC.

But the President still is CIC. The President has to be mentally sharp to be able to make decisions such as launching nuclear strikes or ordering a counterattack. Problem is current President appears to be mentally impaired. If our nuclear armed enemies were to be emboldened we as a civilization could be doomed.

Biden’s handlers would dump a bucket of ice water to wake him up, “Mr President, New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia have all been hit with Nuclear attacks from China, we have to strike now and you need to input the codes from the football “, even if he was like “let me go back to sleep “, they would pick up his fingers and enter the needed information. Sort of how he is an empty suit who just does what he’s told, and signs what is put in front of him, this would be no different.

 

[Sandalwood Peak]

I'm talking purely a hypothetical binary choice between Vivek and someone like Biden or Nancy Pelosi who claim to be Catholic yet make a public mockery of the faith by supporting abortion, gay "marriage", closing churches during covid, using the power of their offices to persecute Christians etc while wrapping themselves in the flag of the faith and making a public show of receiving the Eucharist from weak pastors. Obviously neither is ideal, I'm just saying I think the latter is worse.

If we're to believe elections are real then Americans made the same binary choice against Trump. Trump was a dangerous, racist Nazi that took America down a very scary path, Biden was the superior choice. I don't understand how they can be mocked yet you're making the same argument.

I feel like you're rationalizing and masquerading it as a hypothetical. The lesser evil is a very flawed argument. I know it's a very flawed argument because they campaign on it. That's their whole pitch. You have people who will say a choice has to be made. A choice doesn't have to be made, especially when it's being made for you. If we're picking the lesser evil are we actually making a choice?

The most powerful word in the English language is no. When people figure that out maybe something will change. Obviously I'm engaging in idealism but without idealism there's nothing. All we have is the slippery slope that is already on open display.

If America was a serious country people would try to hold Biden accountable. So the things you're describing wouldn't even be happening. So if Biden is not being held accountable, how is Vivek going to be held accountable? What if Vivek persecutes Christians, you're going to vote for other guy next time?

The Soviet Union didn't have a border problem, neither does China, maybe we should try communism. It's better than white genocide right? I think we might even be able to unite the left and right on that one.

 

[Max Roscoe]

No man. The President is commander in chief of the armed forces and we can and probably will end up in a hot war with Russia at the rate we are going .

The president has a sort of negative power in that he can sometimes *refrain from doing things*. But he can't really *do things*.

The president can theoretically prevent a war from breaking out.

Although he must be strong willed, intelligent, and willing to challenge his "advisors" as JFK did multiple times, to avoid war, because if they really want a war, all they have to do is bring in some unnamed guy from CIA and he will say oh we noticed they are moving nuclear missiles into place at this area, we discovered some bioweapons lab with anthrax, they are unplugging babies from incubators, whatever, and 99% of politicians will believe this and just go to war.

But as far as having actual power to *do* things, the president has little to no power.
If President Biden sits down with any world leader at the negotiating table and they try to create an arrangement, the best the president can do is say "Oh well I'll take this to Congress and maybe a year from now we can get 50% of the things I am promising you to happen in the future, until my replacement comes into power and reverses them" whereas someone like Putin or Xi can sit down and make real promises and make things happen.

Anyway, to whatever degree a president has power, America is, how does Lavrov put it? Agreement incapable? You cannot trust even our official policy. Just look at the One China Policy. We openly subvert our own treaties and agreements.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

If we're to believe elections are real then Americans made the same binary choice against Trump. Trump was a dangerous, racist Nazi that took America down a very scary path, Biden was the superior choice. I don't understand how they can be mocked yet you're making the same argument.

I feel like you're rationalizing and masquerading it as a hypothetical. The lesser evil is a very flawed argument. I know it's a very flawed argument because they campaign on it. That's their whole pitch. You have people who will say a choice has to be made. A choice doesn't have to be made, especially when it's being made for you. If we're picking the lesser evil are we actually making a choice?

The most powerful word in the English language is no. When people figure that out maybe something will change. Obviously I'm engaging in idealism but without idealism there's nothing. All we have is the slippery slope that is already on open display.

If America was a serious country people would try to hold Biden accountable. So the things you're describing wouldn't even be happening. So if Biden is not being held accountable, how is Vivek going to be held accountable? What if Vivek persecutes Christians, you're going to vote for other guy next time?

The Soviet Union didn't have a border problem, neither does China, maybe we should try communism. It's better than white genocide right? I think we might even be able to unite the left and right on that one.

I think you're reading way too much into my comments, I'm really just talking about the binary between which is worse, a professed Christian who does everything he can to make a mockery of the faith and persecute believers (and in the case of the current president is a senile puppet for (((non Christians))) anyway), or someone who isn't a Christian and is mostly honest about not being one (I say "mostly" because he has developed a tendency lately to describe God in the singular, which is not what Hindus believe) but supports policies that are generally friendly to Christians.

Forget for a second that we're talking about presidential candidates, if you met 2 people and the first claimed to be Catholic or Orthodox and maybe even attends a church but then went off about how they describe abortion, homo "marriage", child genital mutilation, closing schools and churches for muh pandemic and the Church really needs to modernize and get with the times and start supporting all these things; while the second made no bones about the fact that they're Hindu (or yes, Muslim or Jewish or whatever), which would you have more respect for as a person?

As to your larger separate point about voting for the lesser evil, it really IMO comes down to whether or not you think we're going to be able to vote our way out of this. My attitude is that we probably aren't, but a) I don't think it's a 0% chance (although it is probably in the low-mid single digits) and b) even if we can't vote our way out of this, we can buy time by voting. Setting aside the fact that he isn't Christian I think Vivek is a snake oil salesman, but I also think the country and world would be better off with him in the White House than Biden (or Harris or Newsom or anyone the Dems could plausibly nominate).

 

[get2choppaaa]

I think you're reading way too much into my comments, I'm really just talking about the binary between which is worse, a professed Christian who does everything he can to make a mockery of the faith and persecute believers (and in the case of the current president is a senile puppet for (((non Christians))) anyway), or someone who isn't a Christian and is mostly honest about not being one (I say "mostly" because he has developed a tendency lately to describe God in the singular, which is not what Hindus believe) but supports policies that are generally friendly to Christians.

Forget for a second that we're talking about presidential candidates, if you met 2 people and the first claimed to be Catholic or Orthodox and maybe even attends a church but then went off about how they describe abortion, homo "marriage", child genital mutilation, closing schools and churches for muh pandemic and the Church really needs to modernize and get with the times and start supporting all these things; while the second made no bones about the fact that they're Hindu (or yes, Muslim or Jewish or whatever), which would you have more respect for as a person?

As to your larger separate point about voting for the lesser evil, it really IMO comes down to whether or not you think we're going to be able to vote our way out of this. My attitude is that we probably aren't, but a) I don't think it's a 0% chance (although it is probably in the low-mid single digits) and b) even if we can't vote our way out of this, we can buy time by voting. Setting aside the fact that he isn't Christian I think Vivek is a snake oil salesman, but I also think the country and world would be better off with him in the White House than Biden (or Harris or Newsom or anyone the Dems could plausibly nominate).

I'm not sure that on the major issues Vivek would be worse than our current regime. That part is certain.

Sure he might flood with H1B1s... But that's arguably better than tons of illegals over the border states. Something I've personally witnessed in my life time and it's deleterious effect on the host population forced to suffer the invasion of low IQ low skilled hand out seeking individuals.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

I'm not sure that on the major issues Vivek would be worse than our current regime. That part is certain.

Sure he might flood with H1B1s... But that's arguably better than tons of illegals over the border states. Something I've personally witnessed in my life time and it's deleterious effect on the host population forced to suffer the invasion of low IQ low skilled hand out seeking individuals.

Right--and it's not like we have the choice between H1B1s or low skilled illegals, under the current regime we're getting both. If we can shut down or at least slow to a trickle one of those 2 pipelines, regardless of which of the 2 it is even, that's a step in the right direction.

 

[GuitarVH]

Right--and it's not like we have the choice between H1B1s or low skilled illegals, under the current regime we're getting both. If we can shut down or at least slow to a trickle one of those 2 pipelines, regardless of which of the 2 it is even, that's a step in the right direction.

Analogy: there are 2 huge holes in the roof with water pouring in daily. The house currently has 2 feet of water in it, making it very difficult to operate in and slowly rotting out the house. Nothing is being done to remove the 2 feet of water which is increasing daily. Plugging up one of the roof holes, while slowing down slightly the imminent and constantly growing water emergency, still guarantees that the house will be destroyed because of the water that is already there and being ignored.

Edit: the family living in the home are renters and the owners purposely do nothing to fix the roof or remove the water. They want the home to fill with water, leaving the renters perplexed and angry. The renters reach out to the town government but told that water is good, the key to life, and should learn not to be water haters.

 

[Easy_C]

Analogy: there are 2 huge holes in the roof with water pouring in daily. The house currently has 2 feet of water in it, making it very difficult to operate in and slowly rotting out the house. Nothing is being done to remove the 2 feet of water which is increasing daily. Plugging up one of the roof holes, while slowing down slightly the imminent and constantly growing water emergency, still guarantees that the house will be destroyed because of the water that is already there and being ignored.

Alternatively, trying to bucket water out of a ship while the holes are still flowing is a fools errand

 

[It_is_my_time]

The president has a sort of negative power in that he can sometimes *refrain from doing things*. But he can't really *do things*.

The president can theoretically prevent a war from breaking out.

Although he must be strong willed, intelligent, and willing to challenge his "advisors" as JFK did multiple times, to avoid war, because if they really want a war, all they have to do is bring in some unnamed guy from CIA and he will say oh we noticed they are moving nuclear missiles into place at this area, we discovered some bioweapons lab with anthrax, they are unplugging babies from incubators, whatever, and 99% of politicians will believe this and just go to war.

But as far as having actual power to *do* things, the president has little to no power.
If President Biden sits down with any world leader at the negotiating table and they try to create an arrangement, the best the president can do is say "Oh well I'll take this to Congress and maybe a year from now we can get 50% of the things I am promising you to happen in the future, until my replacement comes into power and reverses them" whereas someone like Putin or Xi can sit down and make real promises and make things happen.

Anyway, to whatever degree a president has power, America is, how does Lavrov put it? Agreement incapable? You cannot trust even our official policy. Just look at the One China Policy. We openly subvert our own treaties and agreements.

Yea, and what happened to Kennedy when he tried to stop Israel from gaining Nuclear weapons and tried to keep us out of Vietnam?

The President has no power, if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it. It is all theatre.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Yea, and what happened to Kennedy when he tried to stop Israel from gaining Nuclear weapons and tried to keep us out of Vietnam?

The President has no power, if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it. It is all theatre.

Thats not entirely true.

Voting has significant power on the domestic life expereinced. AND to a large degree the amount of foriegn excursions we are faced with.

You may argue that Empire's gonna Empire... but pretending the CIC as the people's appointed leader isnt significant is not accurate.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Thats not entirely true.

Voting has significant power on the domestic life expereinced. AND to a large degree the amount of foriegn excursions we are faced with.

You may argue that Empire's gonna Empire... but pretending the CIC as the people's appointed leader isnt significant is not accurate.

Okay, say whomever wins the next election and the MIC, the media, the deep state, who are all completely owned and controlled by Wall Street, decide they want war with Russia.

Do you honestly believe anyone, who got into office by being voted in this rigged system, is going to say "nah, not going to do it"?

 

[get2choppaaa]

Okay, say whomever wins the next election and the MIC, the media, the deep state, who are all completely owned and controlled by Wall Street, decide they want war with Russia.

Do you honestly believe anyone, who got into office by being voted in this rigged system, is going to say "nah, not going to do it"?

Trump

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Analogy: there are 2 huge holes in the roof with water pouring in daily. The house currently has 2 feet of water in it, making it very difficult to operate in and slowly rotting out the house. Nothing is being done to remove the 2 feet of water which is increasing daily. Plugging up one of the roof holes, while slowing down slightly the imminent and constantly growing water emergency, still guarantees that the house will be destroyed because of the water that is already there and being ignored.

Edit: the family living in the home are renters and the owners purposely do nothing to fix the roof or remove the water. They want the home to fill with water, leaving the renters perplexed and angry. The renters reach out to the town government but told that water is good, the key to life, and should learn not to be water haters.

Agree with both parts of your analogy, but patching up one of the holes at least buys you time. Whereas the house might be irreparably damaged in X days at the current rate of inflow, you now have 2*X days. We shouldn't let the perfect be the enemy of the good (talking about worldly political issues here)....the right is often guilty of screwing this up IMO.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Thats not entirely true.

Voting has significant power on the domestic life expereinced. AND to a large degree the amount of foriegn excursions we are faced with.

You may argue that Empire's gonna Empire... but pretending the CIC as the people's appointed leader isnt significant is not accurate.

When the Republic was founded, voting mattered 100%.

Over time (((the powers that be))) gradually began actively subverting the vote, to the point that it matters far less now than it once did, but it still matters.....we can't rely on voting and voting alone to solve our problems, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't still use it as one tool in what needs to be a multifaceted toolbox, especially given that it costs nothing except a small amount of time.

 

[bubs]

Yea, and what happened to Kennedy when he tried to stop Israel from gaining Nuclear weapons and tried to keep us out of Vietnam?

The President has no power, if voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it. It is all theatre.

I am always disgusted when I hear commanding military officers refer to the battle front as “the theater”. They really need to change that description, it’s insulting to the servicemen that are heading to the “theater”.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

I am always disgusted when I hear commanding military officers refer to the battle front as “the theater”. They really need to change that description, it’s insulting to the servicemen that are heading to the “theater”.

It's a technical term dating back at least to Clausewitz, it doesn't have anything to do with a movie or stage theater.